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[GoldenDragon]

Now then you know Singapore police best!

S'pore police not best. They are 'bestest'.

 

[TracyTan866]

What is your basis for saying that SAR HK police is better than SPF?
You lived there for many years and understand the situation?
Based on newspaper and press reports?
Someone who understands told you?

Have you read about the case a few years ago where a HK policeman shot and killed 2 of his colleagues in an underground pedestian crossing in TST?

I have seen HK Police in action and I have seen SPF in action. I say HK Police is better.

 

[TracyTan866]

Have you read about the case a few years ago where a HK policeman shot and killed 2 of his colleagues in an underground pedestian crossing in TST?

One swallow does not make a summer

 

[TracyTan866]

The problems with JBJ, TLH and CSJ were largely self-sought. The defamation laws are there. Even PAP MPs has to abide by it. The only case I consider unfair was the JBJ disqualification from MP in 1986, but it was high politics and personal politics by LKY, not the police. The JBJ 2000 defamation and disqualification from NCMP case, frankly, he asked for it. Anyway, it was a civil case, not a police case. The police even approved the YCK Stadium permit for him to host the Save JBJ Rally.

How come the Singaporeans For Democracy's application for an event at Hong Lim Park was denied?

 

[TracyTan866]

S'pore police not best. They are 'bestest'.

SPF is best i disagree. SPF is bestest , I agree..whatever that means

 

[TracyTan866]

Don't agree that the problems with TLH were largely self-sought.

I agree. when TLH appeared on the scene, LKY was alarmed. LKY decided that TLH had to be stopped by hook or by crook. GCT and LHL cant win TLH in a debate.

 

[TracyTan866]

but till today, many people don't understand how he is a chinese chauvinist.

No one, except the pap, believes the Chinese chauvinist label

 

[TracyTan866]

Don't agree that the problems with TLH were largely self-sought.
It's true that he didn't back down, but till today, many people don't understand how he is a chinese chauvinist.

The other 2, although I admire them for different reasons and in varying degrees, agree to some extent that they could have averted many of their problems by doing things differently.

There is a common trait for JBJ, TLH and FS...they were articulate and better than the pap ministers . LKY had to stop them at all cost before they go into parliament.

 

[TracyTan866]

The branding of Chinese chauvinist on him by PAP was when TCH quoted his remark from a hi-soc dinner that Christians are sitting in sedans while Chinese are the sedan bearers. PAP and TCH maintained it was a true quote and challenged TLH to sue if he thought it wasn't.

TLH didn't sue but rebutted that he couldn't be a Chinese chauvinist for he's multilingually educated in Chinese, Malay and English, even involved in traditional Indian dance and his daughter is a Christian to which he never objected. PAP held its position, either TLH sued and let the court judge or as it was, let the voters judge. TLH didn't sue but made a police report that his life is threatened by the PAP remarks and even implied complicity of PAP in a conspiracy. PAP sued and he skipped the country.

JBJ was named as co-defendant for waving the report at the rally crowd. He had to stand alone to face the trial. He was fortunate that he got George Carmen QC to defend him (presumably pro bono) and got away with relatively light and non-bankrupting damages. There's more to the TLH saga, but for the Chinese chauvinist episode, that's it for now.

Do you see an invisible hand in all these?

 

[Ramseth]

Do you see an invisible hand in all these?

On the contrary, it's a visible hand.

My point is, there was nothing to with police. If 3 m. citizens are cowered under the the hand, what could 10 k. police do? Don't vent it out unfairly on police or other civil servants who're just doing their legal duties.

In countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines police and army can control political and lawmaking decisions if they disgree with elected governments. You want that?

 

[TracyTan866]

On the contrary, it's a visible hand.

My point is, there was nothing to with police. If 3 m. citizens are cowered under the the hand, what could 10 k. police do? Don't vent it out unfairly on police or other civil servants who're just doing their legal duties.

Is the Police doing their duty when they denied an application for a Singaporeans For Democracy event? On the contrary, by rejecting the application, I think the Police is abdicating it duty

Is the Police doing its duty when a PRC family held up a bus at the Zoo and the Police had to pacify them? The SPF showed that it has no b.lls

I can go on with other cases...but these shd suffice

 

[TracyTan866]

On the contrary, it's a visible hand.

My point is, there was nothing to with police. If 3 m. citizens are cowered under the the hand, what could 10 k. police do? Don't vent it out unfairly on police or other civil servants who're just doing their legal duties.

In countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines police and army can control political and lawmaking decisions if they disgree with elected governments. You want that?

The invisible hand I am referring to is LKY's manipulation of the 1997 election campaign events.

have u read FS' book.."To Catch A Tartar"?

 

[TracyTan866]

In countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines police and army can control political and lawmaking decisions if they disgree with elected governments. You want that?

No, certainly I dont expect to compare SPF with the Thai, Indo and Philippines Police. We are not them..why compare with 3rd rate police?

I expect SPF to honour its mission, duty and calling.

 

[Ramseth]

The invisible hand I am referring to is LKY's manipulation of the 1997 election campaign events.

have u read FS' book.."To Catch A Tartar"?

Yes I was referring to LKY's hand. Yes I've read that FS book. I was a young constable freshly out of PA when FS, TFH, TSL et al were arrested by ISD. What he described in his book is quite accurate, no exaggeration. But there's more, what he didn't describe in his book. I don't profess to know everything but I surely know more than that.

 

[TracyTan866]

Yes I was referring to LKY's hand. Yes I've read that FS book. I was a young constable freshly out of PA when FS, TFH, TSL et al were arrested by ISD. What he described in his book is quite accurate, no exaggeration. But there's more, what he didn't describe in his book. I don't profess to know everything but I surely know more than that.

That's good...I too believe that FS said the truth in his book an am glad that TSL is coming into the public again.

 

[Ramseth]

No, certainly I dont expect to compare SPF with the Thai, Indo and Philippines Police. We are not them..why compare with 3rd rate police?

I expect SPF to honour its mission, duty and calling.

Government (PAP) orders police do this or that with legitimate powers, can refuse? E.g. police commander thinks CSJ is alright to make a scene outside Parliament, ignore MHA orders to arrest and charge, is that what you expect? Mind you, CSJ was ex-police too, an ASP no less.

 

[TracyTan866]

Yes I was referring to LKY's hand. Yes I've read that FS book. I was a young constable freshly out of PA when FS, TFH, TSL et al were arrested by ISD. What he described in his book is quite accurate, no exaggeration. But there's more, what he didn't describe in his book. I don't profess to know everything but I surely know more than that.

TFH claimed that she was stripped of her clothes....

 

[TracyTan866]

Government (PAP) orders police do this or that with legitimate powers, can refuse? E.g. police commander thinks CSJ is alright to make a scene outside Parliament, ignore MHA orders to arrest and charge, is that what you expect? Mind you, CSJ was ex-police too, an ASP no less.

Was rejecting a legitimate event application honourable?

 

[TracyTan866]

Government (PAP) orders police do this or that with legitimate powers, can refuse? E.g. police commander thinks CSJ is alright to make a scene outside Parliament, ignore MHA orders to arrest and charge, is that what you expect? Mind you, CSJ was ex-police too, an ASP no less.

The SPF must be able to differentiate the SG govt from the pap...if they cant, matters can get messy

 

[Ramseth]

Was rejecting a legitimate event application honourable?

There's a designated public park for that. It's called Hong Lim. All registrations are approved. All indoor political events are approved too. That's legitimate. In fact, there's one going on right now. CSJ and GMS are among the speakers. Suka-suka protest outside Parliament is illegitimate and undignifying. Win the voters over and get into Parliament!