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[TracyTan866]

Now then you know Singapore police best!

Best is relative..

When rated against Indonesian, Malaysian, PRC Police, I agree that SPF is best.. That's no glory an honour to be best among scums

Similarly, the PAP likes to compare SG with 3rd world countries like India, Philippines, Myanmar, etc and trumpet that SG is best. Big deal!!! hahahaha

 

[kukubird58]

so are you withdrawing ur vague invitation to Tracys and Sumikos?

ok..ok..i confess.
i am interested only in TracyTan866....who the hell is Sumikos or simi wakos....

 

[Ramseth]

Best is relative..

When rated against Indonesian, Malaysian, PRC Police, I agree that SPF is best.. That's no glory an honour to be best among scums

Similarly, the PAP likes to compare SG with 3rd world countries like India, Philippines, Myanmar, etc and trumpet that SG is best. Big deal!!! hahahaha

Yes it's relative, but Singapore is in SEA and Asia. So comparing to SEA and Asian countries is reasonable for expectation. However of course, Singapore is in the world too. If compared worldwide, perhaps not the best but doing not bad, I would say. Perhaps because I'm ex-police, knowing what signals to read and the right things to say at the right time, I got around and along well with police in every country I visit, even in Malaysia and PRC.

US is good, but if you want me to say the best in the world that I've come across, I'd have to say Japan for courtesy, attitude and professionalism. Their only shortcoming for foreign visitors to Japan is very few can speak comprehensibly English. However, they do try their best, even go out of their way to help with an assuring bearing that they would never fix anyone up. Thailand may be considered 3rd World but I'm very happy and satisfied with their police too, especially their English-speaking TP (tourist police, not traffic police) in my early days there when I couldn't speak Thai yet.

 

[TracyTan866]

ok..ok..i confess.
i am interested only in TracyTan866....who the hell is Sumikos or simi wakos....

so u are not interested in whether I am sumiko or whether sumiko is tracytan866?

 

[TracyTan866]

Yes it's relative, but Singapore is in SEA and Asia. So comparing to SEA and Asian countries is reasonable for expectation. However of course, Singapore is in the world too. If compared worldwide, perhaps not the best but doing not bad, I would say. Perhaps because I'm ex-police, knowing what signals to read and the right things to say at the right time, I got around and along well with police in every country I visit, even in Malaysia and PRC.

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I think we shd compare SG with Asian countries because we r of Asian stock, culture and values

but we must also compare to the world because Singaporeans travel widely and are exposed to world values and also out civil servants are paid world class salary.

based on the two comparisons, I think SPF is average, a bit efficient but yet has 3rd world mentality

 

[kukubird58]

so u are not interested in whether I am sumiko or whether sumiko is tracytan866?

no lah...that simi wako is just a smokescreen.
So how?
U accept my invitation or not?

 

[Cruxx]

Hiong Gong Geng Cha is the best in Asia.

 

[Ramseth]

Hiong Gong Geng Cha is the best in Asia.

Royal HK Police was one of the best in Asia, yes. But it's no more. It's now SAR Police, I'm not so sure.

 

[TracyTan866]

no lah...that simi wako is just a smokescreen.
So how?
U accept my invitation or not?

how to make decision when there is no information on the subject matter?

 

[TracyTan866]

Royal HK Police was one of the best in Asia, yes. But it's no more. It's now SAR Police, I'm not so sure.

SAR Police is definitely better than SPF. The HK Police is impartial and truly upholds HK's law and order unlike SPF which only upholds pap's law.

 

[TracyTan866]

Hiong Gong Geng Cha is the best in Asia.

HK Police is better than SPF, but I dont know when compared to Japan's or Korea's. so i am nt sure who is best in Asis..definitely not running dog SG Poodle Force

 

[Ramseth]

SAR Police is definitely better than SPF. The HK Police is impartial and truly upholds HK's law and order unlike SPF which only upholds pap's law.

SPF upholds and enforces the national laws. PAP happens to be in government. If WP or NSP or SDP or whatever is in power, SPF upholds and enforces their laws too. It's the same in HK, Japan, US, UK, wherever.

SPF spends 99% of their time and resources on criminal cases and protecting the interests of general public like you. Yes, I agree, there's always the 1% when they're ordered upon politically motivated missions. Still the same, it happens to police forces around the world too.

 

[TracyTan866]

SPF upholds and enforces the national laws. PAP happens to be in government.

Yes, SPF must enforce SG laws...not pap laws

 

[TracyTan866]

SPF spends 99% of their time and resources on criminal cases and protecting the interests of general public like you. Yes, I agree, there's always the 1% when they're ordered upon politically motivated missions. Still the same, it happens to police forces around the world too.

only 1%? u r too kind to SPF. They are at the beck and call and react to the pap orders. since the days of Goh Yong Hong, SPF went down the drain. TTB and KBH just followed what GYH did

 

[Ramseth]

Yes, SPF must enforce SG laws...not pap laws

Who makes the laws of the country? Parliament. PAP has close to 100% MPs in Parliament. You blame police for what? Police is about law enforcement, not lawmaking. Change your Parliament and you can see changes in the laws, and still the same police enforcing these laws, whether laws that you like or not. Even a non-PAP party can't guarantee that all the laws they'd pass would to be your liking. Your bad experience with Malaysian police is exactly what happened when police take the laws into their own hands and write their own laws, what you refer to as fixing you.

 

[TracyTan866]

Who makes the laws of the country? Parliament. PAP has close to 100% MPs in Parliament. You blame police for what? Police is about law enforcement, not lawmaking. Change your Parliament and you can see changes in the laws, and still the same police enforcing these laws, whether laws that you like or not. Even a non-PAP party can't guarantee that all the laws they'd pass would to be your liking. Your bad experience with Malaysian police is exactly what happened when police take the laws into their own hands and write their own laws, what you refer to as fixing you.

Parliament passed SG laws. If SPF upholds SG laws, that's admirable.

But look at the way SPF enforce the laws selectively..

Huge crowd at PAP events get approved. Small crowd Opposition gathering gets denied. Both are SG political aprties. SPF can't be so blatant without losing singaporeans respect and earning singaporeans' wrath

 

[jw5]

SAR Police is definitely better than SPF. The HK Police is impartial and truly upholds HK's law and order unlike SPF which only upholds pap's law.

What is your basis for saying that SAR HK police is better than SPF?
You lived there for many years and understand the situation?
Based on newspaper and press reports?
Someone who understands told you?

Have you read about the case a few years ago where a HK policeman shot and killed 2 of his colleagues in an underground pedestian crossing in TST?

 

[Ramseth]

Parliament passed SG laws. If SPF upholds SG laws, that's admirable.

But look at the way SPF enforce the laws selectively..

Huge crowd at PAP events get approved. Small crowd Opposition gathering gets denied. Both are SG political aprties. SPF can't be so blatant without losing singaporeans respect and earning singaporeans' wrath

WP has regular uniformed weekly gatherings of 30 to 50 members for Hammer sales outreach. I don't see them being arrested or harrassed. For GE rally crowds, don't need to say, WP crowds easily outnumber PAP crowds practically 10 to 1 or more. I don't see them being arrested or harrassed. I don't see opposition MPs like CST and LTK or even one-term MPs LHD and CCC being arrested or harrassed.

The problems with JBJ, TLH and CSJ were largely self-sought. The defamation laws are there. Even PAP MPs has to abide by it. The only case I consider unfair was the JBJ disqualification from MP in 1986, but it was high politics and personal politics by LKY, not the police. The JBJ 2000 defamation and disqualification from NCMP case, frankly, he asked for it. Anyway, it was a civil case, not a police case. The police even approved the YCK Stadium permit for him to host the Save JBJ Rally.

 

[jw5]

WP has regular uniformed weekly gatherings of 30 to 50 members for Hammer sales outreach. I don't see them being arrested or harrassed. For GE rally crowds, don't need to say, WP crowds easily outnumber PAP crowds practically 10 to 1 or more. I don't see them being arrested or harrassed. I don't see opposition MPs like CST and LTK or even one-term MPs LHD and CCC being arrested or harrassed.

The problems with JBJ, TLH and CSJ were largely self-sought. The defamation laws are there. Even PAP MPs has to abide by it. The only case I consider unfair was the JBJ disqualification from MP in 1986, but it was high politics and personal politics by LKY, not the police. The JBJ 2000 defamation and disqualification from NCMP case, frankly, he asked for it. Anyway, it was a civil case, not a police case. The police even approved the YCK Stadium permit for him to host the Save JBJ Rally.

Don't agree that the problems with TLH were largely self-sought.
It's true that he didn't back down, but till today, many people don't understand how he is a chinese chauvinist.

The other 2, although I admire them for different reasons and in varying degrees, agree to some extent that they could have averted many of their problems by doing things differently.

 

[Ramseth]

Don't agree that the problems with TLH were largely self-sought.
It's true that he didn't back down, but till today, many people don't understand how he is a chinese chauvinist.

The branding of Chinese chauvinist on him by PAP was when TCH quoted his remark from a hi-soc dinner that Christians are sitting in sedans while Chinese are the sedan bearers. PAP and TCH maintained it was a true quote and challenged TLH to sue if he thought it wasn't.

TLH didn't sue but rebutted that he couldn't be a Chinese chauvinist for he's multilingually educated in Chinese, Malay and English, even involved in traditional Indian dance and his daughter is a Christian to which he never objected. PAP held its position, either TLH sued and let the court judge or as it was, let the voters judge. TLH didn't sue but made a police report that his life is threatened by the PAP remarks and even implied complicity of PAP in a conspiracy. PAP sued and he skipped the country.

JBJ was named as co-defendant for waving the report at the rally crowd. He had to stand alone to face the trial. He was fortunate that he got George Carmen QC to defend him (presumably pro bono) and got away with relatively light and non-bankrupting damages. There's more to the TLH saga, but for the Chinese chauvinist episode, that's it for now.