Living in JB 3 (Johore)

[contra]

For this living in JB thread, if we just talk about properties and same old things, very soon it will become quiet and die naturally..

I am ok if someone come here to promote his vested properties or whatever.. Through the debate, we learn.. Important thing on Internet is participation.. And protocols will naturally be self regulated and fall into place.

Understood some time we crack jokes that might not appeal to everyone.. But imagine if we keep talking about HH, EL.. How much can we talk..

Also if someone talk too much about politics and nobody bother to response, very soon he will disappear.. So just take it easy... Some how some day I might disappear and when I feel unwelcome.... And that is all Internet..

I do receive PMs and offered help accordingly.. However sometime just post it here so people who are interested and bother to search will be able to find it..

I am actually keen to hear all vested view on why they invest this development or that and how the beautiful things that they realize when living here.. I am vested in HH but I am keen to know where those china folks are buying or investing as well...and even developments that no one heard of in desaur, kulai, jb center etc..Truth or false will be our own responsibility to decide..

Hi bro arsenal,
Thanks for bringing it up. I have recently been going over to Taman Molek side to meet my banker and also try the EDL; and am astounded by the pace of development on the East Side as well. I get the feeling Tmn Molek is the in-place for locals, after Pelangi & Austin. Also I think the Japanese are gravitating theresides. In fact interestingly I have passed a Japanese cemetry around north of that area (pls, I am not talking down any area but just to share my obervation which may explain the Japanese pref for East for some historical reason).... As for Chinese, I too am curious as well where they have been visiting.

Two developments that caught my attention has been Southgate and its neighbouring 1 Tebrau. Both near Tmn Pelangi. They are huge condo & commercial development. Any one has any insight into these two East developments? Does it mean more Singaporeans gravitate towards the West while locals in East? Just curious and if so why?

 

[butadesu]

Does it mean more Singaporeans gravitate towards the West while locals in East? Just curious and if so why?

Just my guess, I don't know Johor well.
If you use google map to look at Johor, you will notice that the east side is more developed with industrial activities in Pasir Gudang etc.
Most of the locals will find their jobs there.
The west side has some new industrial area but not so mature yet. However west side is near to 2nd link which is near singapore Tuas industrial area.
Therefore Singaporeans presence in the west is more obvious.

 

[arsenal]

I agree too.. The locals like Austin, Setia area and Molek was considered Holland Village equivalence..

So with more participation and discussion over a wider area, we have more to share and learn..

Hi bro arsenal,
Thanks for bringing it up. I have recently been going over to Taman Molek side to meet my banker and also try the EDL; and am astounded by the pace of development on the East Side as well. I get the feeling Tmn Molek is the in-place for locals, after Pelangi & Austin. Also I think the Japanese are gravitating theresides. In fact interestingly I have passed a Japanese cemetry around north of that area (pls, I am not talking down any area but just to share my obervation which may explain the Japanese pref for East for some historical reason).... As for Chinese, I too am curious as well where they have been visiting.

Two developments that caught my attention has been Southgate and its neighbouring 1 Tebrau. Both near Tmn Pelangi. They are huge condo & commercial development. Any one has any insight into these two East developments? Does it mean more Singaporeans gravitate towards the West while locals in East? Just curious and if so why?

 

[arsenal]

Those Molek development, the build seemed pretty solid and modern although I can only see from afar. The impression is the builds could be much better than what we see from UEM.. Some of these houses are 99 years lease though..

Nusajaya is supported by educity, medini, silc etc.. Molek, Austin are supported by the local business and industry in the east..

 

[wuqi256]

Hi bro arsenal,
Thanks for bringing it up. I have recently been going over to Taman Molek side to meet my banker and also try the EDL; and am astounded by the pace of development on the East Side as well. I get the feeling Tmn Molek is the in-place for locals, after Pelangi & Austin. Also I think the Japanese are gravitating theresides. In fact interestingly I have passed a Japanese cemetry around north of that area (pls, I am not talking down any area but just to share my obervation which may explain the Japanese pref for East for some historical reason).... As for Chinese, I too am curious as well where they have been visiting.

Two developments that caught my attention has been Southgate and its neighbouring 1 Tebrau. Both near Tmn Pelangi. They are huge condo & commercial development. Any one has any insight into these two East developments? Does it mean more Singaporeans gravitate towards the West while locals in East? Just curious and if so why?

Hi bro contra, i actually am in Austin/Adda area alot. It has a lot of potential yet to be developed but with time i am confident that it will become better. I have posted and shared with friends that places in Johor Jaya, etc will have more Japanese interest. A bro shared with me about them buying an entire condo a while back. Some parts will become Japan time. It remains a viable area but you are right, it is slightly more inland but also popular with local friends. A bro as well as bro DOA did share about the shops outside Austin Heights along the side of Austin Hills Golf resort (which is now under new management)

 

[wuqi256]

when you zapped people is called zapping clone, but when I zapped people with valid reason is called abusing my right? Previously I declared I wanted to zap lonelysin too but didn't as there was no need to in the end as per Wuqi. I zap people with valid reason, regardless of clone.

Hi Ginfreely, i am glad at least when you zapped, you did put your name down.
All old timers, please its just a misunderstanding.

If it was anyones fault, its mine alone. Peace to all.

 

[wuqi256]

Hi Wuqi, actually I shared before in JB1. Previously couldn't buy HDB becos under 35 and single, subsequently becos after the rule change, cannot buy HDB as already own a small private property.

The govt assume all single citizens to be molly coddled but the fact is singles under 35 do have housing needs and we just rent or bite the bullet to buy private property - no PR sibling scheme for us.

Apologies, my apologies as i have been getting quite a bit forgetful recently. Lots of things to do, plan and help but it doesn't explain this oversight. Yes, my older sister faced the same problem and i didn't want her to get the "Yan ar lou, qin ya mou" case so sometimes
have to worry about their finances.

In my family, seems like everyone sleeps well at night except me though mine is mainly due to work. :(

 

[wuqi256]

I've brought my friends to HH a couple of times in the past. I thought the environment looked nice but the showhouse was a little disappointing as it was clustered with rows of houses and no golf view. There was also no bungalow show unit too.

One thing that I learnt from this forum is the close to nature setting like misty fogs and chirping birds in the morning. This sounds wonderful - and this is something unique about the development.

Two questions:

1. Is the nature setting applicable for non golf facing houses? I imagined the row of houses facing each other to be no different from any other developments, ie. one might not feel the 'nature' part when one steps put of the house in the morning. I might be missing something here, but I would like to hear the views of people who stayed there.

2. Are there bungalow show houses already? Or those golf facing show house?

My motivation in this post is to counter the objections in my mind.

Hi Lord Aragon, i am glad to hear you are having a roaring business. I think its no point looking at their showhouses as normally they don't really do it up if at all plus they also won't really give you different options for show houses. Its mainly 3D models.

The nature thing refers to the parks they have situated near the development, depending on how they do it though as houses in the earlier precints are always near to some internal parks. It really depends as some units may not get much in the way of nature but some may get it alot. Some like being close to nature, some are iffy and some don't enjoy it that much as nature also encompasses insects, etc.

In front of my house and that of my neighbours though, before the rain or in light rain, always a lot of swallows around catching insects. There was a couple of times some flew close enough that i could probably jump (i probably can't jump really high anyway because of my weight) to touch them. There was i think for the Hills in the past but not sure about now. Golf facing ones they had a couple in the Golf which is a semi-d and is 2.5 storey with a basement and a garden.

I would think better to bring your friends/clients to a few more places like East Ledang, etc to show them so that they can make a comparison and be all the more happier with their eventual choice regardless of the development..

 

[wuqi256]

Wuqi

My bites can be fatal too . Depends i wan or not.
Jus tat not my style to deduct other ppl's points when i diagree on ppl's comments .
Thanks for e effort for trying to please all ppl .
Still, damages are already done .

I am sure it is, i do not doubt that. I think its just a misunderstanding of intention.

I try but it will never be enough. Everyone is born with 10 fingers, each one of different
length, thickness and size so its natural that everyone has some opinions.

Hope it doesn't make your or ginfreely unhappy especially over this long weekend.
Peace to all. I hope to treat the both of you together to coffee or lunch, on me.

The points she deducted and the points you lost will be transformed as a free lunch
in HH. <Yes, there is such a thing as a free lunch>

Now, i know you ladies can definitely well afford it, are not hard up and certainly not cheapo
but please treat this as my HH voucher.

 

[wuqi256]

Thx bro. I noticed it is nusajaya, iskandar Malaysia, Johor. So Johor bahru is not even mentioned.Maybe we have been conveniently using JB to cover all areas we go haha

Thanks to bro investor for helping bros here to clarify. Yes thats why living in JB has a bracket (Johore).

 

[contra]

Just my guess, I don't know Johor well.
If you use google map to look at Johor, you will notice that the east side is more developed with industrial activities in Pasir Gudang etc.
Most of the locals will find their jobs there.
The west side has some new industrial area but not so mature yet. However west side is near to 2nd link which is near singapore Tuas industrial area.
Therefore Singaporeans presence in the west is more obvious.

Hi butadesu,

good observation. with what you have said plus arsenal & wuqi input, i think i understand now. Indeed when I saw lot of Japanese in my fav Jap restaurant in Crystal Hotel, (Kirishima Suzhou), I realise now they must be working for their mothercompanies which must have invested in East JB long ago. (because West was not even developed). In fact I googled about the Japanese cemetry in Jalan Kebun Teh and it has some interesting insights that the Japs were in JB way back in 1920s doing plantations, manufacturing... With that, locals get more jobs there. Ok that also explains Jusco Tebrau that is Japanese.

With the whole shebang of Educity, Wellness & Healthcare, G&G housing, tourism and new industrial clusters, coming up in West, it must be attracting a whole new category of people, esp Singaporeans & wealthy foreigners whose kids get to go to Marlborough college etc, who are looking for a different quality of life.... Makes sense.

Iskandar will indeed be cosmopolitan if the west takes off. What about you? With your Japanese roots (or name) where are you more inclined towards?

 

[wuqi256]

Eastledanger, appreciate if you could please respond to my earlier post as well as some of the other bros post to discuss about what you have claimed about East Ledang.

 

[Investor]

Eastledanger, appreciate if you could please respond to my earlier post as well as some of the other bros post to discuss about what you have claimed about East Ledang.

Let me give you a quick reason why there's a premium over the other named properties. It all comes down to commuting convenience: the proximity of these two developments to Tuas 2nd link is the prime reason why premium prices are paid (myself included). Both developments have direct access to the highway leading straight to 2nd link.

Now, a more important question is whether it is a good investment to begin with. I can speak from own experience in this regard, having lived in EL since May 2011. In a nutshell, I personally regret having invested here

Cheers, ELer

The biggest mistake he made in his otherwise very convincing post was by saying that he regretted an investment which already made him a handsome profit by now.
Maybe his purpose of investing is to lose money

I mean he should have said that he regretted moving to EL, not regretted investing in EL.

 

[wuqi256]

The biggest mistake he made in his otherwise very convincing post was by saying that he regretted an investment which already made him a handsome profit by now.
Maybe his purpose of investing is to lose money

Yes, agree. Yes, after reading through and also not getting a reply back, I found it strange as well.
This is already my 2nd post directly to ask him/her to discuss in more detail.
Lets still give him a chance to clarify.

 

[wuqi256]

Hi butadesu,

good observation. with what you have said plus arsenal & wuqi input, i think i understand now. Indeed when I saw lot of Japanese in my fav Jap restaurant in Crystal Hotel, (Kirishima Suzhou), I realise now they must be working for their mothercompanies which must have invested in East JB long ago. (because West was not even developed). In fact I googled about the Japanese cemetry in Jalan Kebun Teh and it has some interesting insights that the Japs were in JB way back in 1920s doing plantations, manufacturing... With that, locals get more jobs there. Ok that also explains Jusco Tebrau that is Japanese.

With the whole shebang of Educity, Wellness & Healthcare, G&G housing, tourism and new industrial clusters, coming up in West, it must be attracting a whole new category of people, esp Singaporeans & wealthy foreigners whose kids get to go to Marlborough college etc, who are looking for a different quality of life.... Makes sense.

Iskandar will indeed be cosmopolitan if the west takes off. What about you? With your Japanese roots (or name) where are you more inclined towards?

Iskandar will have a significant portion that will be multinational, learned bros always shared with me thats the difference between old and new projects. There are many government involved and helping to push things forward i am sure.

A good rule of thumb is that whenever a certain shopping centre chain opens up in any area, development in the immediate area is sure to follow
or already in the works. Its good to know where they are going and where they are pulling out.

 

[butadesu]

Hi butadesu,

good observation. with what you have said plus arsenal & wuqi input, i think i understand now. Indeed when I saw lot of Japanese in my fav Jap restaurant in Crystal Hotel, (Kirishima Suzhou), I realise now they must be working for their mothercompanies which must have invested in East JB long ago. (because West was not even developed). In fact I googled about the Japanese cemetry in Jalan Kebun Teh and it has some interesting insights that the Japs were in JB way back in 1920s doing plantations, manufacturing... With that, locals get more jobs there. Ok that also explains Jusco Tebrau that is Japanese.

With the whole shebang of Educity, Wellness & Healthcare, G&G housing, tourism and new industrial clusters, coming up in West, it must be attracting a whole new category of people, esp Singaporeans & wealthy foreigners whose kids get to go to Marlborough college etc, who are looking for a different quality of life.... Makes sense.

Iskandar will indeed be cosmopolitan if the west takes off. What about you? With your Japanese roots (or name) where are you more inclined towards?

Hi Contra,
Property prices is very much affected by the development plan by the government.
If you look at the so call "catalyst projects", "natural asset" and "existing structures", you will find that each area has their own attraction.

The nusajaya area pull catalyst projects include those at puetri harbor and legoland. It is also near to 2nd link, future medini center.
I'm not sure of how good is the rental market there but so far capital appreciation has been good. As pointed out by some many old bird here, after legoland is open, more people will be attracted to the area.

The city center area is err... messy. There are new projects like danga bay, lido boulevard, JB buki bintang, future mrt from sg in the pipeline etc.
The causeway and existing commercial buildings are reason why the area is so expensive.

East ward, you will find senibong development and some other development which is quite accessible from causeway.

North a bit , u have austin and molek which locals and jap expat prefer.

So, if u see, west, central ,east and north attracts very different group of people who will rent the place.
Also the timeline which each project is completed varies.
So if you are talking about purely investment, you will have to match the time which the catalyst projects are completed against how long you plan to hold.

Personally, I have bought a unit at paragon which is near city center. Given the amount of info and situation at that time, that was the best bet I thought. But given another choice, most likely I would choose another.

regarding Jap community. Molek pine is targeting Japanese. They have Japanese sales team selling molek pine in Japan. I think Molek pine also have hot bath that Japanese like. Furthermore I heard there is japanese sch nearby. Thats why molek pine psf quite high in the area.

 

[Investor]

Yes, agree. Yes, after reading through and also not getting a reply back, I found it strange as well.
This is already my 2nd post directly to ask him/her to discuss in more detail.
Lets still give him a chance to clarify.

I've edited my post above to make my statement clearer by adding "I mean he should have said that he regretted moving to EL, not regretted investing in EL."
Who in the right mind would regret an investment which is making big profit? I can't comprehend that.

 

[wuqi256]

regarding Jap community. Molek pine is targeting Japanese. They have Japanese sales team selling molek pine in Japan. I think Molek pine also have hot bath that Japanese like. Furthermore I heard there is japanese sch nearby. Thats why molek pine psf quite high in the area.

Steady!!!! Well done for finding a good gem! It is expensive but most importantly, did you manage to buy it?

 

[wuqi256]

I've edited my post above to make my statement clearer by adding "I mean he should say that he regretted moving to EL, not regretted investing in EL."
Who in the right mind would regret an investment which is making big profit? I can't comprehend that.

Yes, especially Educity1-2 are going to attract a sizable portion of students. A learned friends shared with me, his hometown in Melaka which used to be very quiet and undeveloped went through a super speedy turnaround the minute the Unis get students. Now, one cannot even find a place to rent easily.

Places that are near to the immediate areas or with proximity to Singapore will always appeal to a certain market. A learned neighbour just shared withme today that even in the marine line, he has some foreign friends (non Singapore) who are snapping up properties in the area.

Bros who are keen, i understand that there may be some good areas in KL as well especially in the outskirts. I have also explored a place in Desaru, starting with Mutiara but wife doesn't like it at all so went to book a condo instead.

 

[butadesu]

Steady!!!! Well done for finding a good gem! It is expensive but most importantly, did you manage to buy it?

No lah, no bullet.
Don't dare to buy, too expensive compared to surrounding area.
Maybe someone can consider buying F&B shop houses beside it, if there are any. haha.