Lim Chin Siong was a Communist

[Ah Guan]

he would immediately say that Singapore was a communist country while Russia, China, North Korea were totalitarian regimes

Sinkapore is not that far off from a totalitarian regime actually. I think the "Left-wing" and "Right-wing" political labels should be changed into something less misleading. Many don't realise that if a country goes extreme Left or Right, they become under the same kind of totalitarian rule. eg. Nazi Germany is alot like North Korean today.

Honestly, I avoided posting here because we had already discussed about LCS's undeserved fate in an earlier thread. LKY has already painted him as a terrorist but I hope more young sinkaporeans will bother to find out the complicated truth for themselves

 

[ozeman]

Sinkapore is not that far off from a totalitarian regime actually. I think the "Left-wing" and "Right-wing" political labels should be changed into something less misleading. Many don't realise that if a country goes extreme Left or Right, they become under the same kind of totalitarian rule. eg. Nazi Germany is alot like North Korean today.

Honestly, I avoided posting here because we had already discussed about LCS's undeserved fate in an earlier thread. LKY has already painted him as a terrorist but I hope more young sinkaporeans will bother to find out the complicated truth for themselves

Sg is a totalitarian regime. no question about that.

 

[Ah Guan]

they are all welfare states. nothing to do with communism.

Reading this, I dunno whether to laugh or to cry

 

[scroobal]

Agree. The labelling especially is misleading. What is clear is that all were socialist and left leaning but their approach to socialism and the means to achieve it differed greatly.

I take cognizance of a comment by forummer Hawkeye where he felt that LCS and Old man were the same. I recall that Albert Winsemius met LCS in his Nassim Road apartment one evening to get a measure of the man. He came away with the conclusion that LCS was not deep into ideology or driven by it, very similar to old man. Though in my opinion, he was a communist by his deeds, he just well would have been a leader in a socio- capitalist setting. I suspect that the British for that reason maintained links with LCS as they did not trust old man. It also explains why he had that espidoe with his fellow detainess in Changi and subsequently left of all countries to Britain.

In the end, he just as well could have been the PM.

At the end of the day, anyone who is a threat to old man is a communist, marxist and anyone who is a irritant is a charlatan. A leader who ruled a nation (sorry country) for 50 years by labelling and making labelling a fine art.

Sinkapore is not that far off from a totalitarian regime actually. I think the "Left-wing" and "Right-wing" political labels should be changed into something less misleading. Many don't realise that if a country goes extreme Left or Right, they become under the same kind of totalitarian rule. eg. Nazi Germany is alot like North Korean today.

Honestly, I avoided posting here because we had already discussed about LCS's undeserved fate in an earlier thread. LKY has already painted him as a terrorist but I hope more young sinkaporeans will bother to find out the complicated truth for themselves

 

[Ah Guan]

Sg is a totalitarian regime. no question about that.

Ok -- quick quiz to you and Scroobal... Is the sinkapore today a Communist country?

 

[ozeman]

Just name a reasonably known economist who is a communist. You said you could?

since this is friday, i shall try to make you happy. btw, have you heard of wassily leontieff??

if you have not, just try googling, hor?

 

[ozeman]

Reading this, I dunno whether to laugh or to cry

why so? pl tell.

 

[ozeman]

Ok -- quick quiz to you and Scroobal... Is the sinkapore today a Communist country?

alright, i'll be the high school chappie today! sillypore is a totalitarian regime with capitalist characteristics.

 

[scroobal]

No.

Economy - Centrally Planned and Controlled with 63% of capitalisation under state control.
Political Structure - Totalitarian, Regal and Patriachal
State Philosophy - Capitalist - Driven and measured by Dollars
Legal System - Medieval
Housing - Communist
Banking - Capitalist
Education - Anal

Ok -- quick quiz to you and Scroobal... Is the sinkapore today a Communist country?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Dear Scoobal,

It really depends on how you define "Economist".

Economics is tightly knitted with politics. If you define Economics purely on the understanding on how the market pricing mechanism works, Marx mayl not fit the description. However in terms of political economics, Marx did try to explain the implications of Ultra-capitalism which will lead to class struggle. And he did offer an alternative economic model (whether this is workable or not is another matter) based on political perspective which he thought would work.

If economics is purely based on free market principles, it is unrealistic too basically because such theory does not take into accounts of another human behavior perspective..the tendency in practicing cronyism and human's networking impact on economic decisions.

Economics alone as in studying the cold logic of rational human behavior in market conditions cannot find relevance in real life empirical study. Human beings could be "irrational" half the time of their life. Thus this is where political direction of economic development comes into play. Well.. I really digress...

Goh Meng Seng

Practically everyone seeking professional respect prior to the formation of the Soviet Union contemplated the communism model or considered themselves communist.

Oxbridge for centuries ran PPE (Political Science, Philosophy and Economics) for the best and brightest. Its still is a key course in world academia.

In those days, there was never a single discipline such as economics where you earn a degree. Now it alot more clear who the economist, the Philosophers and Political Scientist are.

After the collapse of the soviet union and the domino effect on the rest of the communist countries - communism is no longer entertained or considered as an economic model. Even in those days, it was closer to philosophy and Political Science. Most economist even in those days discounted communism .

I always counted Marx as a Philosopher/ sociologist and not an economist.

Thats the reason why I asked for someone to name me a renown economist who is a communist. Thats like asking a vegan to become a butcher. You did economics and the first thing you learn is demand and supply. How is that related to Communism. Even Marx could not show empirically what he meant by "surplus value".

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Haha!

Goh Meng Seng

No.

Economy - Centrally Planned and Controlled with 63% of capitalisation under state control.
Political Structure - Totalitarian, Regal and Patriachal
State Philosophy - Capitalist - Driven and measured by Dollars
Legal System - Medieval
Housing - Communist
Banking - Capitalist
Education - Anal

 

[ozeman]

Ok -- quick quiz to you and Scroobal... Is the sinkapore today a Communist country?

hahaha.........even scroobal and i can agree! but he just like to argue one! same like that locke liberal shit!

 

[Nice-Gook]

Dear Scroobal,

Economics and the study of human psychology in the market place are closely related. Marx just discarded the human psychology part and tried to create a system based on political ideals. That's where things can go wrong.

<style></style>There is something more than mere human psychology at play bro.I couldn't really put my finger into this but perhaps someone else could.How to explain that in a society or a tribe isolated from the rest of humanity.Commune form of living where no individual owns more than others and shares everything else regardless of his/her ability works quite well.Besides how capitalistic can one be say in a tribe numbered 100 where just 1 individual owns everything and others nothing say by their gambling habits.---can that society function at all?

Now put that against the current globalized village where communism crumbles like a pack of card--Why? Because of lack of understanding of human behavioral pattern aka human psychology ?..There is certainly something more than that.

 

[Ah Guan]

No.

Economy - Centrally Planned and Controlled with 63% of capitalisation under state control.
Political Structure - Totalitarian, Regal and Patriachal
State Philosophy - Capitalist - Driven and measured by Dollars
Legal System - Medieval
Housing - Communist
Banking - Capitalist
Education - Anal

alright, i'll be the high school chappie today! sillypore is a totalitarian regime with capitalist characteristics.

Correct! Thank you God!!!! Sinkapore is capitalist - with an economy as open as a prostitute's legs. I cringe whenever I read someone complaining we are living in a Commie country.

Communism should not be confused with totalitarian rule. Class dismissed. Everyone passed with flying colours.

 

[scroobal]

I guess you are right.

Many years ago, the Straits Times published an article about National Swimmer Ang Peng Siong who was lamenting that he was struggling despite swimming for the state. In that article, they stated that his wife Wendy was Sr Economist and was aged 28 years. I nearly flipped.

The reason I asked for anyone to name me a reasonably known economist who is a communist today is that I am confident that none exist. It will also help the lawman understand.

As I explained before, before the fall of the Soviet System, people were prepared to give it a benefit of doubt. Communism as an economic model no longer exist.

Like dear Wendy, I am sure there are many others that will call themselves " economist" and there will be others who also consider these people economist. I don't. For all you know, in time Wendy might indeed have become an economist but thats another story.

Just take me as obstinate. I can't fathom an economist being a communist. I also don't see how Marx can be one.

Dear Scoobal,

It really depends on how you define "Economist".

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroobal

Ok I am being tad pedantic here, Marx and Adam were both political economist back when there was not an academic split between the two.

It took Keyen's and Ricarodo to turn economics into a science



Locke

 

[scroobal]

Well said.

Dear Scroobal

Ok I am being tad pedantic here, Marx and Adam were both political economist back when there was not an academic split between the two.

It took Keyen's and Ricarodo to turn economics into a science



Locke

 

[scroobal]

I learnt to be specific after I told an American very proudly that Singapore is the cleanest city in the world. He told me not true. He said that Pyongyang was the cleanest city. I then realised the striking similarity between the two. I always wondered how he knew.

Madeline Albright, former secretary of state confirmed it during a state visit.

Haha!

Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

You know me for the arsehole that I am and I guess the rest in the forum know me for the very same reason.

Now to see what else is People Association funding the PAP for.

hahaha.........even scroobal and i can agree! but he just like to argue one! same like that locke liberal shit!

 

[Ah Guan]

why so? pl tell.

State welfarism is a Communist concept

In a pure Commie economy, the state keeps all the profit of your work and pays for your living expenses. This way, all citizens are equal.