Lee Hsien Yang

[Papsmearer]

@Papsmearer do you agree with this @ckmpd ?

From what you know about LHY is he trying to restore the original PAP?

I personally doubt it. BTW if you get the original PAP back it will be prone to an individual making sinkie a benevolent dictatorship.

I don't care what LHY's personal reason is for entering politics if he chooses to do so. He will never tell any of us what his real reason is. In my personal opinion, he is doing everything for self preservation. Because if his brother and the PAP remain in power, his sons cannot come home. And he will always be under surveillance and threat by his brother. His sister will also continue to be in danger from his older brother.

His real reasons for going into politics (and that is a if), does not matter to you and me. As long as his entering politics align with our objectives and target, then we should all be behind him. The objective is to create discomfort and fear in the PAP. The objective is to reduce the number of seats they hold and reduce their percentage of votes won. If he and TCB can accomplish that, who cares what his reason is. U are losing sight of the big picture over something small and petty like personal feud.

 

[nayr69sg]

What is your stupid fixation on personal feud? People enter politics for all sorts of reasons. IN singapore, its greed because of the large amount of money involved for ministers and MPs. Do you know who Corazon Aquino is? She is the housewife that entered politics and started the yellow revolution and overthrew Marcos and became President of Phillippines. U know why she entered politics? PURE PERSONAL FEUD. Not only that, revenge and vendetta too. Marcos had her husband Benigno assassinated. So who gives a flying fuck what the reason is? U think PAP politicians enter politics for some high altruistic ideal? Wake up your fucking ideas.

It is sinkies who dont support those oppies who go into politics for personal feud.

Name me a sinkie oppie who got voted in while pursuing a personal feud.

Who?

 

[nayr69sg]

I don't care what LHY's personal reason is for entering politics if he chooses to do so. He will never tell any of us what his real reason is. In my personal opinion, he is doing everything for self preservation. Because if his brother and the PAP remain in power, his sons cannot come home. And he will always be under surveillance and threat by his brother. His sister will also continue to be in danger from his older brother.

His real reasons for going into politics (and that is a if), does not matter to you and me. As long as his entering politics align with our objectives and target, then we should all be behind him. The objective is to create discomfort and fear in the PAP. The objective is to reduce the number of seats they hold and reduce their percentage of votes won. If he and TCB can accomplish that, who cares what his reason is. U are losing sight of the big picture over something small and petty like personal feud.

Average sinkie dont support LHY.

 

[Papsmearer]

Sorry jeyaratnam I was referring to is the son. The fat non lawyer one. Kenneth. Not original JBJ. Original JBJ did get office.

Another new invention of yours? When you got caught in the lie about JBJ feud, you switch to Kenneth? Kenneth has no feud with Lee Kuan Yew or Lee Hsien Loong. Go and ask him yourself. The asshole who when after his father is now dead. And Pinky could not be bothered with him. Kenneth is a chill guy, doing his own thing. Go and talk to him personally, don't take my word for it. U will see he holds no grudges, he is not consumed by hate. In fact, I would say I hate the PAP more then he does.

 

[Papsmearer]

The pap likes singaporeans like you. you are scared and dont even dare challenge even if you are convinced that you are right. you self censor. fortunately we hv singaporeans who are made of stronger stuff, unlike you

This moron run road to Canada? Yeah, even in canada, he is scared to piss off the PAP.

 

[Froggy]

But I’m just an ordinary Sinkie sheep

And I’m screw salesman

 

[zhihau]

And I’m screw salesman

You high life screw salesman, today no hydro therapy?

 

[Papsmearer]

I enjoy seeing the Lee siblings washing dirty linen in public. The dirtier the better.

LHY for sure poses a threat to the PAP. Ditto LWL. Far more than almost the entire Opposition.

Given the likely scenario that TCB is unlikely to attract the likes of Lam Keong and ‘prominent’ others, LHY and LWL are good alternatives.

In short, anyone capable of demolishing LHL and his MIW.

This is the right analysis. In terms of public goodwill, LHY and TCB has more then half the cabinet Ministers combined. The dirty linen washing is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more shit out there that Ling and Hsien Yang have not aired. The 2 of them have to strategize which harmful revelations to reveal in public against the brother and the SIL. They have to be careful for 2 reasons. That such revelations a) do no implicate them b) that they have solid and irrefutable proof, and have this proof and evidence secured in an untouchable place. So far, they have only restricted themselves to affairs of their fathers estate and Oxley. But discussions at the dinner table, private chats with Pinky in happier times, etc. all these have not been revealed. Do you think for example that Yang and Ling do not have a very good idea of what the Ho earns in compensation? Sure they do. They are just choosing not to discuss that in public.

But that group is actually also the group that will vote PAP.

You cannot tell me that the 80% does not include these people.

The irony is that the anti PAP people tend to be the ones who are educated and well to do. However their dissatisfaction with the PAP doesnt always translate into votes for the oppies.

Meanwhile the vast majority of these sinkies who are slogging like horses and like to kpkb are also the ones who will say vote "PAP safer".

I know it doesnt make sense but you should know this is the reality on the ground. Of course things might have changed this time (and we keep hoping) but till we see a change in the direction of votes you have to go based on historical evidence.

The fact of the matter is that the opposition has consistently polled 30% or more in most elections. In some elections, like 2 elections ago, they polled 40%. I don't know where u get 80% from. Which means to say that if you have proportional representation, the oppo should have about 30 seats in Parliament. You therefore only need a swing of 10-21% of votes to deny the PAP a majority. Some people are die hard PAP and they will never vote for anyone else. Oppo parties know better then to target their message at these people. Some people are die hard oppo and will never vote for the PAP. Others are swing voters who can be pursauded to vote one way or another depending on their personal circumstance. In my opinion, the oppo have not done enough to get these voters. There has been no bold platform and sweeping changes proposed that these swing voters need to hear. But if the oppo ever gets their shit together, they can easily win another 10% and maybe even 20% of the votes.

 

[glockman]

I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. Those who have emigrated have given up hope. They believe and need to believe that the status quo will never change. So that their decision to emigrate remains a good one. Those who have remained, are still hopeful and want to see change. I must admit i am guilty of feeling both hopeful and hopeless, at different times.

 

[zhihau]

But if the oppo ever gets their shit together, they can easily win another 10% and maybe even 20% of the votes.

Last remembered that people say opposition unity is a madman’s dream.

 

[GoldenDragon]

I am very certain LHY and LWL are au fait with the $$$ HC makes. In addition, all things negative about Pinky and HC.

They have yet to disclose these. Disclosing these during the Oxley dispute imo is inappropriate. It’s a family dispute after all. But as we all know, Pinky made it ‘national’ by bringing a domestic dispute into parliament.

But disclosures of all things hurting Pinky and HC during GE is the perfect platform. S’poreans need to know the real Pinky and HC and none better than HY and WL to deliver the blows.

I am looking forward to that day.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Last remembered that people say opposition unity is a madman’s dream.

Hahaha!

 

[zhihau]

Hahaha!

jokes aside, I’m praying hard AJ GRC will not go back to PAP.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. Those who have emigrated have given up hope. They believe and need to believe that the status quo will never change. So that their decision to emigrate remains a good one. Those who have remained, are still hopeful and want to see change. I must admit i am guilty of feeling both hopeful and hopeless, at different times.

People migrate for a host of reasons.
And people who stay aren’t all hopeful as well

 

[glockman]

jokes aside, I’m praying hard AJ GRC will not go back to PAP.

Same here. We cannot afford to go backwards, it would be devastating.

 

[glockman]

People migrate for a host of reasons.
And people who stay aren’t all hopeful as well

Oh yes I definitely agree. I was actually only referring to the contributors in this thread, not in general.

 

[GoldenDragon]

jokes aside, I’m praying hard AJ GRC will not go back to PAP.

Me too. Better to have WP than none. I opine SL has done well. Able to stand up to ministers.

 

[sweetiepie]

I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. Those who have emigrated have given up hope. They believe and need to believe that the status quo will never change. So that their decision to emigrate remains a good one. Those who have remained, are still hopeful and want to see change. I must admit i am guilty of feeling both hopeful and hopeless, at different times.

my uncle assume your meaning of those who have remained were referring to those that can afford to leave but didn't leave and still remains hopeful to see changes KNN those that given up hope and left sure will have schadenfreude trigger in them and wish for sg collapse lo KNN

 

[glockman]

my uncle assume your meaning of those who have remained were referring to those that can afford to leave but didn't leave and still remains hopeful to see changes KNN those that given up hope and left sure will have schadenfreude trigger in them and wish for sg collapse lo KNN

yes

 

[rambo22]

jokes aside, I’m praying hard AJ GRC will not go back to PAP.

PAP on the other hand a bit chuak sai lo

doubt they dare to field a favourite minister there also

what if George Yeo lumpar 2 get a penalty kick