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Kent Ridge Common vs Kelvin Teo - Who is telling the truth?
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This is a very interesting point.
So is TR a PAP vehicle? or someone from within the opposition trying to create chaos in the new media market?
This whole show within KRC shows how lack of directions and naive our blogging and online publication community has been. TR had now almost single-handledly brought down KRC with kelvin as the stupid scapegoat.
I m sure KRC will carry on without kelvin. But I dont think kelvin will be trusted anymore within the publication industry in Singapore or anywhere around the world when people know what he did and for his stupid act of treason.
as for TR, if its ever possible, somene pls hunt them down and stop them, not just for the general benefit of Singapore, but in the name of Freedom of Speech as well.
Its an interesting animal. This chap started out with one thing in mind - anti workers party and the hatred was rather extreme. He began attacking GMS who was at that time, the only WP person whose used his real identity. He then went on to setup his first blog under Wordpress.
Its was rather personal and I doubt it had anything to do with PAP. Then followed a series of accusations of adultery involving 3 WP members including Low Thia Kiang. This was followed by stalking behaviours including revealing personal details such vehicles, houses etc. At the same time, he went after Andrew in TOC who had left WP.
The strength and ferocity was clearly personal and nothing to do with the flow of politics. Probably someone previously associated with the party in some capacity. Certainly an ex-Malaysian as he tends to throw in tidbits from Malaysian politics every now and then which has nothing do to with general flow.
His trademark was making accusations when the identity of a forummer is known.
The saddest part were clowns who contributed articles without knowing they were dealing. The bulk of the articles came from him but credited various political editors, writers which formed his team - all of which was a figment of his imagination.
Then he decided that after TOC's growth, he needed to be better and left wordpress and started his own blog which after a while turned recently into TR.
Its was rather personal and I doubt it had anything to do with PAP. Then followed a series of accusations of adultery involving 3 WP members including Low Thia Kiang. This was followed by stalking behaviours including revealing personal details such vehicles, houses etc. At the same time, he went after Andrew in TOC who had left WP.
The strength and ferocity was clearly personal and nothing to do with the flow of politics. Probably someone previously associated with the party in some capacity. Certainly an ex-Malaysian as he tends to throw in tidbits from Malaysian politics every now and then which has nothing do to with general flow.
His trademark was making accusations when the identity of a forummer is known.
The saddest part were clowns who contributed articles without knowing they were dealing. The bulk of the articles came from him but credited various political editors, writers which formed his team - all of which was a figment of his imagination.
Then he decided that after TOC's growth, he needed to be better and left wordpress and started his own blog which after a while turned recently into TR.
Bro, you still blur. Look at your first post.
We all know KRC well. Profiro did the first set of intros. No issues with their credibility. They are all warm bodies and their identity is genuine. You are trying to preach the converted.
So who were you referring to when you made the statement below in your first post.
"Ironically, these sociopolitical blogs have been calling for opposition to unite, but they themselves can't even get their smaller asses together"
I am sure it was not the NTUC inhouse magazine or Petir that you were referring to.
We all know KRC well. Profiro did the first set of intros. No issues with their credibility. They are all warm bodies and their identity is genuine. You are trying to preach the converted.
So who were you referring to when you made the statement below in your first post.
"Ironically, these sociopolitical blogs have been calling for opposition to unite, but they themselves can't even get their smaller asses together"
I am sure it was not the NTUC inhouse magazine or Petir that you were referring to.
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This is also what I understand. The website has only a right to use, not a right of ownership.
For all that Kelvin had done, the above lines must really felt like a good sucker punch that suck the life out of him.
Poor Kelvin, he is finished because of his own stupidity and done in by his own naive attitude towards the business world.
You have no right to take back what you have given (although i do not know if there is a precedent for it - copyright laws being what it is, it is constantly trying to find its feet)
In this case, it is not so much a matter of copyright but an abuse of trust. That person was trusted to manage the site and this trust extends to not taking down the site.
It is dangerous to associate with him for the simple reason that he can do the same to you.
That guy is also blur. We are talking about server access and the conduct of it. Nothing to do with ownership content. If you read Lester's letter, he is not talking about content ownership. If he demanded that his content be removed, they will certainly do it. He can keep 90% content if he created it.
Disabling a website or denying access is a serious matter. Hire Purchase vendor cannot lock your front doors to take back the TV when you default on payment. Thats what Kelvin did.
Disabling a website or denying access is a serious matter. Hire Purchase vendor cannot lock your front doors to take back the TV when you default on payment. Thats what Kelvin did.
Dear Kawoki
Legally one can't demand "back " what was freely given unless there was an express legal agreement to the contrary specifying copyright as ownership or rights are vested in the group of which he was formally a part of.
He contributed freely and widely content, as part of a group to a group entity. The fact that he is no longer part of that constituted group does not mean that copyright or ownership automatically moves with the individual.
Legally, the internet will mimic the real world in terms of ownership and rights. If you contribute to a magazine to which you were a part of, and you left the magazine the copyright still remains with the magazine you left whether you were paid or not paid. However if you were unpaid most off line free media would allow you permission to reproduce your free article for your own needs as long as it was acknowledged in a by line that it was first published else where
The issues with KT stems from him shutting down another publication without so much as a discussion, without acknowledging the rights of the group he left, and without even attempting to create and amicable settlement.
Locke
Legally one can't demand "back " what was freely given unless there was an express legal agreement to the contrary specifying copyright as ownership or rights are vested in the group of which he was formally a part of.
He contributed freely and widely content, as part of a group to a group entity. The fact that he is no longer part of that constituted group does not mean that copyright or ownership automatically moves with the individual.
Legally, the internet will mimic the real world in terms of ownership and rights. If you contribute to a magazine to which you were a part of, and you left the magazine the copyright still remains with the magazine you left whether you were paid or not paid. However if you were unpaid most off line free media would allow you permission to reproduce your free article for your own needs as long as it was acknowledged in a by line that it was first published else where
The issues with KT stems from him shutting down another publication without so much as a discussion, without acknowledging the rights of the group he left, and without even attempting to create and amicable settlement.
Locke
What, is it your habit to distort the meaning of other's posts and then call it bad? Give a dog a bad name then hang it?
The spat within KRC members is obviously a problem of disunity typical of the opposition. Lester was the no. 2 man in KRC and he and Teo had to be close enough to form KRC together.
Apparently, KRC also went into working problems with other sociopolitical blogs. One turned from aggregating each other's blogs to removing even the link to KRC. Go hear.
The laws on intellectual property had changed tremendously over the recent years. Unfortunately test cases are few and those that do occur involved companies that have money to spend and rights to protect.
For this reason, i am not certain of how the judgment will be given in the event it ever goes to court. But it will illuminate the way that the law is applied.
But as Scroobal said, this is a matter of disabling a website.
I view it as a breach of trust.
Merely seeking an explanation as your first comments seemed quite off tangent. Thus the blur tag. By the way, still off tangent. Read your second post and your 3rd posts. You paint an impressive picture of KRC in your 2nd posts and then now this.
By the way you mentioned "blogs", so what are the other blogs you were referring to.
ps. don't be paranoid, nothing to distort - everyone can read your posts and your replies. They are matured enough to read it and come to an opinion. No help needed from me. The same applies to my posts and comments.
By the way you mentioned "blogs", so what are the other blogs you were referring to.
ps. don't be paranoid, nothing to distort - everyone can read your posts and your replies. They are matured enough to read it and come to an opinion. No help needed from me. The same applies to my posts and comments.
Good analogy.
From what I know, Kelvin is a good writer but I doubt he is that IT savvy to know how to lock down the server.
If someone is to help him, who can that be? I have only one suspect in mind.
You are all missing out the main point! Kelvin Teo is a naive boy who was BAMBOOZLED by a scheming wayang fella who is not controlled by the ISD. With this ISD TAY controlling the site, they are now monitoring and tracking all visitors and commenters to the site.
Many of my comments on the site never make it to the light of day.
And soon all alternative blogs will be swallowed are destroyed by this FORCE!
Many of my comments on the site never make it to the light of day.
And soon all alternative blogs will be swallowed are destroyed by this FORCE!
"paint impressive picture of KRC"??? There you go.
See the way you're appearing like the ingrate. The same advice would go. I would read first.
Good News, Kent Ridge Common is up and running now.
Temasek Review scumbag attempt to sabotage it has failed.
Temasek Review scumbag attempt to sabotage it has failed.
Just read the justification given by this temasekreview scumbag after failing to sabotage and close down Kent Ridge Common by making use of that greedy SOB Kelvin Teo.
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<li class="alt" id="comment-38936"> admin on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 5:11 pm
Hi cy,
You are right. We are too naive to think that we can work with students’ groups. It is a valuable lesson for us – that all the sites’ domains and servers must be owned by us before we even invest a single cent in them. The writers will be more of “contract workers” than direct stakeholders in the sites. Unfortunately, money still talks the loudest in real life. Sometimes, it is better to work with mercenaries than visionaries.
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See how this temasekreview scumbag tries to paint itself as a victim. They think that giving out a few dollars will make ppl become their mercenaries for them, like that SOB kelvin teo. :oIo:
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<li class="alt" id="comment-38936"> admin on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 5:11 pm
Hi cy,
You are right. We are too naive to think that we can work with students’ groups. It is a valuable lesson for us – that all the sites’ domains and servers must be owned by us before we even invest a single cent in them. The writers will be more of “contract workers” than direct stakeholders in the sites. Unfortunately, money still talks the loudest in real life. Sometimes, it is better to work with mercenaries than visionaries.
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See how this temasekreview scumbag tries to paint itself as a victim. They think that giving out a few dollars will make ppl become their mercenaries for them, like that SOB kelvin teo. :oIo:
Temasek Review Tries to Con NUS Students, Say Can Earn $7K A Mth As Editor
Pls spread the message to all undergrads not to be tricked by this Temasek Review scumbag like what happened to Kelvin Teo.
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To NUS students: Kent Ridge Review recruiting paid columnists
November 5, 2009 by admin
Filed under Top News
Leave a comment
The Kent Ridge Review will be recruiting a managing editor as well as freelance writers from every faculty in NUS.
The managing editor will be in charge of running the site and building its traffic up.
He/she will be allowed to run the editorial team and determine the site’s content and policy on his/her own.
The Kent Ridge Review will be managed autonomously as a separate site from the Temasek Review.
Freshmen and first year undergraduates will be given priority.
He/she will be paid a percentage of our advertising revenue monthly and a bonus along the way once the traffic reaches a certain level as determined by the alexa traffic ranking in Singapore (www.alexa.com):
Alexa traffic ranking Bonus
3000 $1000
2000 $1000
1000 $1500
500 $1500
100 $2000
Our managing editor will stand to earn more than $7,000 in all if he/she is able to build Kent Ridge Review till it becomes a prominent and popular site in Singapore.
The freelance writers and journalists will be paid at the following rates:
1. News and happenings on campus: $15 – $20. (subjected to length)
2. Opinion pieces: $25 – $40 (subjected to length)
3. Field journalism and interviews: $50 – $100
4. Video interviews and coverage of events: $100 – $150 (between 5 and 10 minutes)
5. Social documentaries: $200 – $300. (between 20 and 30 minutes)
The rates we offered are way above the rates paid by SPH for their student interns. Writers who have been with us for a period of time will be paid more as a reward for their loyalty.
The Kent Ridge Review is intended to be an independent students’ online newspaper run by NUS students and alumni for the NUS community.
It will be owned, run and funded entirely by The Temasek Review team for the time-being whose administrators are members of the NUS alumni.
Together with Temasek Review and other sites we are planning to acquire or set up, they will come under the ownership of the new media company we will be registering soon.
We will be paying from our own pockets to recruit freelance editors, writers and journalists from NUS to run the site and to build the readership up.
For a beginning, Kent Ridge Review will cover the following:
1. News, happenings and events at NUS.
2. Selected socio-political issues of special interest to undergraduates.
3. Current affairs and international issues.
4. Articles from students about their daily lives, thoughts and reflections in NUS.
5. Articles from NUS graduates sharing their personal and working experience with their juniors.
No efforts will be spared to promote Kent Ridge Review and we will strive to bring its readership to our present level no matter how long or how much it takes.
To our NUS students readers, please spread this message across to the entire NUS campus. Thanks!
Pls spread the message to all undergrads not to be tricked by this Temasek Review scumbag like what happened to Kelvin Teo.
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To NUS students: Kent Ridge Review recruiting paid columnists
November 5, 2009 by admin
Filed under Top News
Leave a comment
The Kent Ridge Review will be recruiting a managing editor as well as freelance writers from every faculty in NUS.
The managing editor will be in charge of running the site and building its traffic up.
He/she will be allowed to run the editorial team and determine the site’s content and policy on his/her own.
The Kent Ridge Review will be managed autonomously as a separate site from the Temasek Review.
Freshmen and first year undergraduates will be given priority.
He/she will be paid a percentage of our advertising revenue monthly and a bonus along the way once the traffic reaches a certain level as determined by the alexa traffic ranking in Singapore (www.alexa.com):
Alexa traffic ranking Bonus
3000 $1000
2000 $1000
1000 $1500
500 $1500
100 $2000
Our managing editor will stand to earn more than $7,000 in all if he/she is able to build Kent Ridge Review till it becomes a prominent and popular site in Singapore.
The freelance writers and journalists will be paid at the following rates:
1. News and happenings on campus: $15 – $20. (subjected to length)
2. Opinion pieces: $25 – $40 (subjected to length)
3. Field journalism and interviews: $50 – $100
4. Video interviews and coverage of events: $100 – $150 (between 5 and 10 minutes)
5. Social documentaries: $200 – $300. (between 20 and 30 minutes)
The rates we offered are way above the rates paid by SPH for their student interns. Writers who have been with us for a period of time will be paid more as a reward for their loyalty.
The Kent Ridge Review is intended to be an independent students’ online newspaper run by NUS students and alumni for the NUS community.
It will be owned, run and funded entirely by The Temasek Review team for the time-being whose administrators are members of the NUS alumni.
Together with Temasek Review and other sites we are planning to acquire or set up, they will come under the ownership of the new media company we will be registering soon.
We will be paying from our own pockets to recruit freelance editors, writers and journalists from NUS to run the site and to build the readership up.
For a beginning, Kent Ridge Review will cover the following:
1. News, happenings and events at NUS.
2. Selected socio-political issues of special interest to undergraduates.
3. Current affairs and international issues.
4. Articles from students about their daily lives, thoughts and reflections in NUS.
5. Articles from NUS graduates sharing their personal and working experience with their juniors.
No efforts will be spared to promote Kent Ridge Review and we will strive to bring its readership to our present level no matter how long or how much it takes.
To our NUS students readers, please spread this message across to the entire NUS campus. Thanks!
When query on how they can afford to pay, this the reply given by the ex-ISD Temasek Review scumbag. Wow, the Temasek Review scumbag claims he is rich enough pay $7k a month per editor for a dozen sites. That means a total of $84k a month. If he is really that wealthy, then why did he still appeal for donation? 
<li class="alt" id="comment-38894"> A Tan on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 2:59 pm
Wah got $ to fund others.
Care to share with public where $ coming from?
<li class="alt" id="comment-38924"> admin on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 4:51 pm
Hi A Tan,
From our own pockets. The administrators of TR are rich enough to fund a dozen sites at the same time.
<li class="alt" id="comment-38894"> A Tan on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 2:59 pm
Wah got $ to fund others.
Care to share with public where $ coming from?
<li class="alt" id="comment-38924"> admin on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 4:51 pm
Hi A Tan,
From our own pockets. The administrators of TR are rich enough to fund a dozen sites at the same time.
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