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Karma does not work for LKY

kopiuncle

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Understanding Karma


REGINALD A. RAY examines the doctrine of karma, one of the most important yet most misunderstood of all Buddhist teachings.

Karma’s central place in the tradition is shown by the Buddha's own enlightenment, which consisted of nothing but seeing the full range and extent of karma-that nothing in the universe stands outside karma’s domain. Even the concept of the independent, autonomous "I" we so dearly cherish is nothing but the product of karmic forces. Think of what that means: there can be no such thing as human autonomy, for the very shocking reason that there is no one to be autonomous.

To Westerners, the doctrine of karma can be somewhat off-putting, seeming to be a mechanical law that exacts full payment from us for our moral infractions. Yet Buddhism actually takes the opposite view. Only when we see fully the ramifications of karma that can we understand who we are and why we are here, connect with the warmth and blessing of the world, and experience genuine compassion for other people. Beyond this, to understand that there is no "I"-but only the operation of impersonal karmic forces-is to attain the freedom of complete liberation.

Buddhism highlights two types of karma. The first is the karma of result. This addresses the age-old question of why our life is this way and not some other; it shows us that every aspect of our lives is the result of actions we have performed in the past. This includes our body and its physical condition, our parentage and other elements of our history, current friends and relatives, our overall life situation, our general state of mind, and even the thoughts we think and the emotions we feel.

Nothing is excluded, down to the number of eyelashes we have and the color of our fingernails and whether we are having a good or bad day. All of these come about because of specific actions that we have carried out in the past. They represent what is given in our lives and, as the fruition of past actions, stand beyond our ability to make them other than what they are.

The second type is the karma of cause. This addresses the question of how or even whether we influence the future. It says that every action we perform in the present is going to produce results of some kind further down the road. Our minds and the actions that proceed from them are that powerful.

Everything we do affects the future in ever-widening ripples of cause and effect. If our actions are virtuous, then the karmic results will be positive, whereas if our actions are unvirtuous, the results will be negative. Positive results include fortunate life circumstances, experiences and opportunities, while negative results include various forms of suffering, including poverty, sickness, oppressed circumstances, calamities and so forth.

Positive circumstances are desirable not only because they bring happiness but, more importantly, because they place us in a favorable position to engage in spiritual practice, to change ourselves for the better, and to help others. Negative circumstances are undesirable because, in addition to the pain they bring, they generate outer and inner obstacles to the practice of dharma and make it more difficult to progress along the path.

The teaching on the karma of cause is a powerful one because it calls into question our natural tendency to assume that, as long as we don't get caught, our actions have no consequences. According to Buddhism, everything we do, even if it’s just spitting in the dust, brings consequences.

Our own intentions in what we do is the key factor in determining whether an action will yield positive or negative results. If we act in a purely selfish, self-serving manner, then the future fruition of that action will be negative. By the same token, if our motivation is to alleviate suffering and bring relief to others, then what we do will bear fruit in positive karmic results. The late Kalu Rinpoche illustrated this point with the traditional story of a daughter who falls into a raging river and is sinking beneath the waves. Her mother jumps in to save her, but in trying to save her daughter, the mother begins to founder. Seeing her mother drowning, the daughter struggles to her side to try to rescue her. In trying to save one another, both mother and daughter perish.

Although the outcome is that both mother and daughter die, Kalu Rinpoche remarked that because the motivation of each is so entirely selfless, each will reap immeasurable meritorious karma as they journey through further rebirths.

Assessing intentions is not always easy because of a natural tendency to hide our actual motivations, not only from others but also from ourselves. Many times we convince ourselves that we are acting generously, only to discover later-perhaps through the feedback of others-that we were, once again, serving ourselves and ignoring others' needs. According to Buddhism, however, ignorance of our actual motivations is no excuse and does not relieve us of their karmic consequences. Therefore, a crucial part of understanding karma is to become aware of our own intentions so that, to begin with, we know what we are doing.

We create future karma by actions of body, speech and mind. Examples of demeritorious actions might include killing an animal (body), speaking abusively to another (speech), or fanning the flames of our own jealousy at someone else's good fortune (mind).

It is perhaps easy to see how the actions of body and speech produce negative karmic waves: if we kill an animal or lash out at someone, we are clearly ignoring the welfare of the other, indulging in our own aggression, and actually causing harm. In so doing, we make ourselves harder and more insensitive, and create confusion and obstacles for them.

But how would the purely mental activity of jealousy produce negative karma? The Dhammapada, one of the earliest Buddhist texts, says that what goes on in the mind is actually the primary determinant of karma. Why? Because whatever negative actions we perform with body or speech first appear in the mind in the form of negative emotions and thoughts. It is not possible to engage in negative actions of body and speech if we have not first entertained negative thoughts and emotions. This means that, as far as karma is concerned, whatever we are doing matters, whether we are acting, speaking, or just thinking.

The Buddhist insistence that there is ultimately no "I" or "self" raises an interesting question: how can there be karmic continuity from life to life? The answer is that every intentional action leaves a karmic imprint on our minds. Most often, the trace is so subtle that we are not aware of it. Yet it remains within us at an inaccessible level of our mind known as the alaya, or "universal unconscious." From there it continues to influence how we experience things and think about them. It is this subtle consciousness, conditioned by all of our previous karma, that exits the body at death and carries along with it our entire karmic history.

This is possible because, although ultimately there is no self, relatively speaking each of us is defined by a "life-stream" of connected moments (santana). One moment of consciousness, acting as a principal cause, transfers its karmic burden to the next, during our life and at our death. It is our very belief in a "self" that holds this karmic stream intact and enables us to have the illusion of being a separate, discrete person. It is this illusory idea, structured according to our karma, that continues from one lifetime to the next.


This is part one of a two-part essay; read the second part, "The Practice of Karma," here.

Reginald A. Ray, Ph.D., is professor of Buddhist studies at Naropa University and teacher in residence at Rocky Mountain Shambhala Center. His most recent book is Secret of the Vajra World: The Tantric Buddhism of Tibet
 

kopiuncle

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then what are you waiting for ?!...............
do all the evils you can do.............and try not to be caught by the cops.............no reason not to.........

dear GOD
even if you do harm in silence
even if you commit evil in isolation
even if you do wrong and escape being punished
your karmic debt will follow you through
like a shadow waiting for you day and night
when the conditions are there
when the time is ripe
when the circumstances are ready
your karma will bear fruit
suffering, anguish, pain and grief will follow
as long as it does not bear fruit
you think you have escaped karma
but nobody ever ever escapes karma
so be very careful..very very careful
with your thoughts, your words and your actions
even in this forum karma will act non-judgementally
all in due course
 

po2wq

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in the case of lky, the family benefited greatly from his misdeeds. so it is right that karma be passed on from lky to the rest of his family members...
ok ... 4 n adult who can tink on his own yet continue 2 benefit from ze misdeeds of ze o man, den iz reasonable ...

but 4 a small kid borned in2 ze family, ze kid got no choice 2 reject anyting ... ze kid has 2 b raised by ze o man ... ze benefits from ze misdeeds were forced upon ze kid ... he cannot even say he dunwan ... if ze o man has washed hands b4 ze kidz birth, ze kid may even never noe anyting ...
 

po2wq

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... he will pay in his next 10 or 100 lifetimes ............

why ?............all these ''karma'' are imprinted on his mindstream...........to be activated when his next life begins..........

''people'' are merely mindstreams............no such thing as a permanent soul..............
cud it b dat now he's paying his previous 1000000 lifetimes? ... :confused: :eek: :p
 

zeebjii

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precisely...........there's no such thing as a permanent identity..............countless documented cases of people remembering their past lives is the best proof......


anyway, LKY may yet pay the price............maybe later kana very painful slow death also possible mah.............after all, most people die mostly of accidents or murder (LKY won't lah)..............or disease (LKY most likely)............

I used to believe in karma, until LKY came along.

Now i believe karma (esp next life karma) and the concept of heaven and hell are used to console ourselves that there has to be some kind some justice in our world.
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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I used to believe in karma, until LKY came along.

Now i believe karma (esp next life karma) and the concept of heaven and hell are used to console ourselves that there has to be some kind some justice in our world.



heaven comes about from the desire to exist after ''physical'' death.............so since people believe WRONGLY that they have a permanent soul.........they wanna live in a paradise called heaven forever................but then what about the bad guys leh..............they go to this place called hell lor..........


karma can come about either in this life or the next depending on conditions.................it's nothing mystical..............it's Cause & Effect..............just like gravity
 

ykhuser

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my own personal thought is: for every 10 person suffer, 90 benefits.
you punish 1 jbj, country prosper, many benefits
so i think maths tell the bigger picture.
 

kopiuncle

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wonderful thread on karma
many enlightening thoughts and comments
basically do good avoid evil
karma will take care itself
do not see the evil of others
do not judge others
for karma is non-judgemental
when karma bear fruits
it's justice done with great impartiality
 

tonychat

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aiyoh, what you expect us to do apart from cursing and swearing leh..............

you want we all to charge into LKY's house and ..............eat his flesh and drink his blood meh ?

Then you can keep on getting yourself screwed hard in your ass... simple as that..

that is why i avoid sinkies, they are totally useless..
 

escher

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I used to believe in karma, until LKY came along.

Now i believe karma (esp next life karma) and the concept of heaven and hell are used to console ourselves that there has to be some kind some justice in our world.

You depend on heaven and karma to get rid of that fucking monster LKY?

No wonder your fucking head is down and your arsehole up high high.
With everyone else in your family and all other 4th class citizens of sunkapore.

to be fucked and screwed of all money for the pleasure of LKY and his running dogs in white.
 

kopiuncle

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so much evil thrown at our great leader
silently absorbing all these curses
enhancing his power of non retribution
removing whatever bad there is
only the good and virtuous ones remain
many many more good years will follow
 

Dark Knight

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y shud karma punish a person who did not do ze bad or evil deeds? ...

if iz ze o man who did it, punish ze o man la ... y shud karma take revenge on his kids? ... me dun agree on tis line of argumen ...

ze kids r individuals in their own rite ... dey shud not b held responsible 4 actions done by other individuals n which dey r not involved in ...

Can a person continue to take and benefit himself/herself forever without giving something back?

When a person took something away from another person for the sake of benefiting himself/herself, the other person's life will be affected.
In the worst case scenario it may even affect the other person's family members and also his/her future generations.

There's a Chinese saying "The wheel of FengShui/Fortune takes turn to spin".
If a person took away something from another person, be prepared to return what that doesn't belongs to you.
 

chootchiew

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Can a person continue to take and benefit himself/herself forever without giving something back?

When a person took something away from another person for the sake of benefiting himself/herself, the other person's life will be affected.
In the worst case scenario it may even affect the other person's family members and also his/her future generations.

There's a Chinese saying "The wheel of FengShui/Fortune takes turn to spin".
If a person took away something from another person, be prepared to return what that doesn't belongs to you.

In fact this is what evolves the world. Everyday businessman are making $ by taking $ from others. Gamblers winning losers $, stock mkt crash people win other losers $, etc.
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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Then you can keep on getting yourself screwed hard in your ass... simple as that..

that is why i avoid sinkies, they are totally useless..



we waiting for your divine leadership mah......................wait for you to lead the charge into LKY's home and then massacre his entire clan................

so when you gonna take action leh ?
 

Don Muthuswamy

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Look at Lee Kuan Yew. Bankrupted or sent people to jail if they did not agree with him. Worked as a traitor for the Japanese when they invaded Singapore. Change the Constitution every now and then to ensure he and his family stay in power. Cried crocodile tears, let his whole family be in charge of all big businesses in Singapore, lied and conned the people, looked down at his citizens who supported him, practiced nepotism, cronyism and kangarooism and legalized corruption.

If karma really works, he would be ousted, jailed or in exile by now. Instead, he and his family get richer and richer by the day and he's still the most powerful man in Singapore. And still breathing at 90.

Suharto, Marcos, Arroyo, Chen SuiBian, Gaddaffi, Saddam Hussien, Mubarak and Ben Ali were not so lucky though.

How 2 u noe dat he's not paying??? Ur only luking at de surface of things. His son cud suffer a cancer relapse & 1 of his daughters is not even married. U think he likes cing all des???? He mite oso b worried watll happen 2 his son 1s hes gone.
 

Don Muthuswamy

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y shud karma punish a person who did not do ze bad or evil deeds? ...

if iz ze o man who did it, punish ze o man la ... y shud karma take revenge on his kids? ... me dun agree on tis line of argumen ...

ze kids r individuals in their own rite ... dey shud not b held responsible 4 actions done by other individuals n which dey r not involved in ...

Well, hav u herd of ze saying, de fader's debts, de son pays???
 
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