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[syed putra]

The Jews, capable of they were, didn't have Ah Gong. Ah Gong managed to out-Jew the Jewish Chief Minister of Singapore.

Thats because Ah Gong does not play by the rules.

 

[JohnTan]

Thats because Ah Gong does not play by the rules.

Neither do the Jews. Aren't the rocks and trees suppose to point out to you where the jews are hiding so that you can exterminate them?

 

[syed putra]

Gaza became the ghetto that it is because they voted in Hamas. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, the arabs were given entire farms to take over. If they kept to peace, there would have been trade between the palestinians and the israelis. But Hamas took over Gaza and wanted to fight all the time. Nearly all the aid that went into Gaza went to Hamas. Gaza is basically North Korea of the middle east.

Gaza strip is half the size of singapore. And you cannot travel outside nor fish further than 3 km from the shore. You are in a prison. Goods cannot be exported nor imported without israeli permission.
Having gaza as part of Palestine is not viable. They have to come up with a three state solution with gaza as the third. Only way for gaza to achieve prosperity is to be independent from both palestine and israel.

 

[JohnTan]

Gaza strip is half the size of singapore. And you cannot travel outside nor fish further than 3 km from the shore. You are in a prison. Goods cannot be exported nor imported without israeli permission.
Having gaza as part of Palestine is not viable. They have to come up with a three state solution with gaza as the third. Only way for gaza to achieve prosperity is to be independent from both palestine and israel.

I already mentioned that Gaza became a prison because of Hamas and its choice of actions. The original intent was for Gaza to be a flourishing arab settlement, to show that israel giving up land for peace is a good idea.

Goods cannot be exported or imported into Gaza because Hamas steals most of it and uses it for its terrorist activities. Hamas turned Gaza into a North Korea.

 

[syed putra]

I already mentioned that Gaza became a prison because of Hamas and its choice of actions. The original intent was for Gaza to be a flourishing arab settlement, to show that israel giving up land for peace is a good idea.

Goods cannot be exported or imported into Gaza because Hamas steals most of it and uses it for its terrorist activities. Hamas turned Gaza into a North Korea.

Hamas needs to show violence to get the money unfortunately. Same as PLO under Arafat. Muslims worldwide will contribute when they see Palestine being butchered. And those Hamas leaders and arafat lives in luxury in Paris.

 

[nightsafari]

Two corrections here:

Gaza became the ghetto that it is because they voted in Hamas. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, the arabs were given entire farms to take over. If they kept to peace, there would have been trade between the palestinians and the israelis. But Hamas took over Gaza and wanted to fight all the time. Nearly all the aid that went into Gaza went to Hamas. Gaza is basically North Korea of the middle east.

I'm aware of that narrative. But having run into both Jews and Muslims from that region, I hear a different one which is matched from both sides. In other words, it's possible that you have the official version and I have the unofficial version. Of course I didn't live there myself, but both parties stories match on this unofficial version. While stuff was given out, it was also grabbed. The Arab side has it that their land was seized, the Jews said they were non-productive and had to be nationalized for the benefit of all. I'm also aware that some say that the first casualty of war is the truth. I'll never really know, but having heard the unofficial version, I'm sure there were enough incidences that may have become accepted truth for both parties. Again, a high-horse approach may have precipitated the whole thing.

A better equivalent of the SS would be the Jewish Stern Gang instead of the IDF. IDF is the national army. Even during WW2 and post WW2, the german military were keen to differentiate the wehrmarcht national army from the SS.

Yes, agreed, but ears to the ground tell me about a heavy handed approach by the IDF during their "safekeeping" routine. I can't really point to who's at fault here. I feel they both are responsible to a good extent in keeping the ongoing state of distress ongoing.

Moslem preachers regularly preach to their congregation not to take jews and christians as their friends, aka don't mingle with them or don't mingle seriously with them. That should be nazism too.

no doubt there are preachers of that ilk and that is equivalent to Nazism too, but a good portion of palestinians I run into don't have that demeanour. More like that of a beaten, frightened dog with no safe refuge. I'll gladly say though that if you start from Saudi Arabia and up to Turkey, there are centers of aggression in the Middle East. but peripheral Arabs don't seem as aggressive as the Saudis and the Turks. Besides Turks, Pakistanis also have an aggressive bent. I've also run into some evidence that the vile Islamic state participants came from other places. I'd like to know more about that, because that would point to where those demonic preachers congregate. My gut feel is that it's Pakistani again.

The jews deserve to be constantly tormented by the moslems because they did not expel all of the palestinians. That kind gesture was not appreciated by the moslem arabs and seen instead as a sign of weakness. Hamas keeps firing rockets into israel because they know that no matter how the IDF retaliates, it will not go to the extent of exterminating the palestinians or hamas for good. It'll just be another skirmish, followed by more "aloha snackbars" from every mosque.

haiz... go and live in israel before you say that. I promise you after you experience how heavy-handed they can be with non-Jews, you may change your mind. The closest I've experienced to white supremacist groups is meeting Israelis. And this is also told to me by whites!! Also, I've heard that Hamas is populated with outsiders as well. That's not to say they're all a bad bunch. I've met some solid Israelis. But it is a supremacist state.

Jerusalem only flourished under non-moslem rule throughout history. When moslems took over Jerusalem, they immediately neglected it and condemned it to a sleepy backwater. When the Jews took it back again in 1948 and 1967, Jerusalem immediately regained its importance. A good analogy would be like a spoilt brat snatching away other people's toy, losing interest in it and throwing it one side, and screaming to get it back once others pick it up again.

yes. that narrative is told by all sides in the conflict. Nobody disputes this. But tell me, is a sleepy backwater capable of aggression? It's only capable of nothing which in a sense a very good thing compared to the alternative. The analogy is not a spoilt snatching away other people's toys. They never wanted those toys in the first place. If everybody vacates, those layabouts will go back to being layabouts. What's so bad about that? They won't miss the stuff that they never wanted.

Jerusalem was never once mentioned in their quran, yet it is supposedly moslems' third holiest shrine. Jerusalem is mentioned many many times in the Torah and the Bible, and yet Jews and Christians are expected to give up their holy shrines to the screaming moslems simply because they are throwing tantrums.

I am not a scholar or well-versed in books and stuff. I've gleaned what I've gleaned like a journalist, not a scholar. I am not equipped to have an opinion on this because I've never asked anybody about it and frankly it's my opinion that if they have to fight over such silly trivialities posing as "historical proclamations", really they deserve their fate.

 

[nightsafari]

The Jews, capable of they were, didn't have Ah Gong. Ah Gong managed to out-Jew the Jewish Chief Minister of Singapore.

Yes as much as Ah Gong was capable of some frighteningly unjust acts, he was still a very capable and driven person. Whether or not you like him or his methods, everyone in sinkieland owes their quality of life to him.

 

[nightsafari]

I already mentioned that Gaza became a prison because of Hamas and its choice of actions. The original intent was for Gaza to be a flourishing arab settlement, to show that israel giving up land for peace is a good idea.

Goods cannot be exported or imported into Gaza because Hamas steals most of it and uses it for its terrorist activities. Hamas turned Gaza into a North Korea.

in fairness, it's hard to be sure about this. After running into both parties, I feel that flourishing settlement may have been a red herring. The Palestinians may have had no choice other than escalating their demands for help.

 

[JohnTan]

in fairness, it's hard to be sure about this. After running into both parties, I feel that flourishing settlement may have been a red herring. The Palestinians may have had no choice other than escalating their demands for help.

The Israelis were ready to experiment with giving up land for peace, both during the lifetime of Arafat and in Gaza. After the debacle with ceding away Gaza, most of Israel know that giving away land for peace is just simply giving away land for nothing.

 

[JohnTan]

I'm aware of that narrative. But having run into both Jews and Muslims from that region, I hear a different one which is matched from both sides. In other words, it's possible that you have the official version and I have the unofficial version. Of course I didn't live there myself, but both parties stories match on this unofficial version. While stuff was given out, it was also grabbed. The Arab side has it that their land was seized, the Jews said they were non-productive and had to be nationalized for the benefit of all. I'm also aware that some say that the first casualty of war is the truth. I'll never really know, but having heard the unofficial version, I'm sure there were enough incidences that may have become accepted truth for both parties. Again, a high-horse approach may have precipitated the whole thing.

I think both are telling the truth. Many Arabs did get their villages seized and nationalized, just like many Jews bought vast tracts of empty lands from rich arab and turk owners who later wanted the land back when the Jews developed them and land prices shot up. What I don't buy is the arab palestinians passing themselves off as "indigenous". Most of them weren't. They were economic migrants from places like syria, jordan and egypt to Palestine from the late 19 century to early 20th century.

The best solution was for the israelis to have grown some balls and forcibly divided the lands up nicely between the two races, each staying on their own side. Instead, the israelis made so much concession that both sides are living on the side of the border with their own roads and checkpoints. It makes the living environment bad for both parties, and it doesn't fully allow the palestinians to move on with their lives in peace.

 

[JohnTan]

Hamas needs to show violence to get the money unfortunately. Same as PLO under Arafat. Muslims worldwide will contribute when they see Palestine being butchered. And those Hamas leaders and arafat lives in luxury in Paris.

Moslems worldwide contribute very little in actual money and aid. They contribute a lot more in empty promises and hate sermons. They also want the palestinians fixed in their camps so that they can be cannon fodder in the religious fight against israel.

 

[whoami]

Coward zionist Jews! And the world expect the victims family to suffer in silence. No justice!!


Israel Is Killing Children Asleep In Their Homes. Humans. Not Numbers. Again.

The Sawarka family's dead. Photo by Fatima Shbair/MEE. On front, an Israeli drone-fired missile killed 7-year-old Amir Rafat Ayyad as he rode on a motorbike with his father Rafat Muhammad Ayyad, 54, and older brother Islam Rafat Ayyad, 24, as they were trying to get to al-Shifa Hospital



The reign of terror, which we help fund, goes on. In the last two days of airstrikes over the open-air prison that is Gaza, where two million beleaguered people, almost half of them children, are packed and trapped, Israel has killed at least 34 Palestinians and injured more than 111. Many of the victims were children. The dead included eight members of the Sawarkah family - three adults, five kids - killed around midnight as they slept in their modest home without running water or electricity. The only survivor of the slaughter of the Sawarkahs was a month-old girl named Marah; her mother, father, aunt and siblings were all buried in the rubble. A relative, Taleb Mesmeh, said that when people heard the explosions, "We never expected (they'd target) a civilian home that looked like any normal house.” The retrieved bodies "were torn into pieces, and there was blood everywhere," he said. “This is Israel targeting children inside their homes.” Then he began picking some children's school uniforms from the rubble. "This is Mo’ath's school uniform," he wailed. "She was still in first grade. What did she do to be killed?”



On Thursday, Israel declared a tentative ceasefire. But many critics noted the false equivalence of the term - the murdered are not the murderers, the occupied are not the occupiers - given that, despite Palestinians allegedly firing 450 rockets, no Israelis were killed. And despite Israel massacring eight members of the same family in one cruel blow, if and when the current carnage ends, Palestinians will remain under siege by the same brutal powers that killed their relatives and neighbors and friends. On social media, meanwhile, pictures are still emerging - Warning: Graphic - of bloody bodies, sobbing children, small torsos being frantically dug out of rubble. Miko Peled, an Israeli-American activist/author and son of a renowned Israeli general, sometimes recalls an earlier offensive when Israel undertook a 21-day, 100-ton carpet-bombing of Gaza. The first day, he says, Israel timed the bombs to fall precisely between the start of morning and afternoon school sessions, to ensure that most of the area's 800,000-plus children would be in the street. "If that's not terror," he says, "I don't know what is."



Marah's relatives had names:

Rasmi al-Sawarkah (45)
Mariam al-Sawarkah (33)
Yusra al-Sawarkah (39)
Wasim al-Sawarkah (13)
Mohanned al-Sawarkah (12)
Mo’ath al-Sawarkah (7)
Feras al-Sawarkah (2)
Salem al-Sawarkah (3)

"I am Ghassan from Gaza! I love life. I am still a youth who have alot of dreams to achieve. I just want peace. Bombs is all over me. I don't be a number...Don't leave us alone in Gaza." - Ghassan Alkhatib

Children of Gaza in the aftermath. Twitter photos.

Relatives mourning the Sawarka family's victims

Two brothers find each other alive at the hospital

Man stained with the blood of his relatives weeps at al-Shifa Hospital. Reuters photo

Marah, the lone, one-month-old survivor of an Israeli missile attack that killed all eight other members of her family. Her mother, father and siblings were all buried in the rubble of their home.

 

[syed putra]

Hamas will not recognise israel snd vow to destroy the state.msny muslims in the region will donate to this cause. Possibly even iran.

 

[nightsafari]

I think both are telling the truth. Many Arabs did get their villages seized and nationalized, just like many Jews bought vast tracts of empty lands from rich arab and turk owners who later wanted the land back when the Jews developed them and land prices shot up. What I don't buy is the arab palestinians passing themselves off as "indigenous". Most of them weren't. They were economic migrants from places like syria, jordan and egypt to Palestine from the late 19 century to early 20th century.

I don't have an answer either way. But I'm sure if there were economic migrants if there's economic growth. Either way though his is this a part of the dispute?

The best solution was for the israelis to have grown some balls and forcibly divided the lands up nicely between the two races, each staying on their own side. Instead, the israelis made so much concession that both sides are living on the side of the border with their own roads and checkpoints. It makes the living environment bad for both parties, and it doesn't fully allow the palestinians to move on with their lives in peace.

If only it were that simple! I'm not sure about the exact sequence of events because it doesn't suit me to get involved so much, but I'm pretty sure that being god's chosen race returning to god's promised land had a significant part to play in how they saw themselves and how they treated others. If you're coming in with those things foremost in your mind with policymaking, it's surely going to rub hard against those you have to put up with who are not god's chosen.

 

[whoami]

The hadith stated "End of Days" the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, which will call out to Muslims to come and kill them, is not anti-Semitic rather merely predictive, not prescriptive. Zionist Jews killing innocent children even while they were asleep. Using carpet bombing. Very very evil.

Btw Muslims cannot be anti-semitic since Prophet Abrahim pbuh and Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, were Semites, as are the majority Muslims. But we are anti-zionists!

 

[nightsafari]

The Israelis were ready to experiment with giving up land for peace, both during the lifetime of Arafat and in Gaza. After the debacle with ceding away Gaza, most of Israel know that giving away land for peace is just simply giving away land for nothing.

that's some of them. A good number of them hated the idea. I have no specifics as to which side held sway for how long.

But you know what? I'll switch gears and go back to my main point. It is a religious divide that creates the problem. Arabs and Jews are genetically speaking cousins. There's no need for all this crap. It's purely a religious motive that results in this crap. If they stopped identifying along the lines of religion, but instead as nationalities, there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[whoami]

that's some of them. A good number of them hated the idea. I have no specifics as to which side held sway for how long.

But you know what? I'll switch gears and go back to my main point. It is a religious divide that creates the problem. Arabs and Jews are genetically speaking cousins. There's no need for all this crap. It's purely a religious motive that results in this crap. If they stopped identifying along the lines of religion, but instead as nationalities, there wouldn't be a problem.

Its more to politic, imo. If its purely religious, they would have to wait for their messiah to bring all the Jews together. They are suppose to be in exiled. And they r not suppose to end their exile by physical or barbaric mean. Tats the prophecy. But instead of waiting, they went against God's commandment and seized/robbed Palestine by force. Tats why ultra orthodox Jews does not recognise present zionist state of israel.

 

[nightsafari]

Its more to politic, imo. If its purely religious, they would have to wait for their messiah to bring all the Jews together. They are suppose to be in exiled. And they r not suppose to end their exile by physical or barbaric mean. Tats the prophecy. But instead of waiting, they went against God's commandment and seized/robbed Palestine by force. Tats why ultra orthodox Jews does not recognise present zionist state of israel.

religious crap. everybody has their own scripture. Jews have their scripture and this leads them to claim Israel as god's chosen race returning to their god promised land.

 

[syed putra]

The hadith stated "End of Days" the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, which will call out to Muslims to come and kill them, is not anti-Semitic rather merely predictive, not prescriptive. Zionist Jews killing innocent children even while they were asleep. Using carpet bombing. Very very evil.

Btw Muslims cannot be anti-semitic since Prophet Abrahim pbuh and Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, were Semites, as are the majority Muslims. But we are anti-zionists!

Muslims are prohibited from killing

 

[whoami]

religious crap. everybody has their own scripture. Jews have their scripture and this leads them to claim Israel as god's chosen race returning to their god promised land.

But their scripture did not command to steal somebody land. Its against their 10 comandment. Even the religious ultra orthodox Jews rejected such treachery act.