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yes. you get the point.Everyone is a Cantonese dog
And everyone is a vaxtard
yes. you get the point.Everyone is a Cantonese dog
And everyone is a vaxtard
If anything, this argument re : apparent orbit would bias towards a perception of the earth as a flat disc rather than a globe. Which is 100% counter to your original post on this matter.
yes and?You are viewing things from a human perspective and we all know that our brains can easily be fooled. What we consider to be "reality" is actually just our perception of what appears before us.
My goodness, you really love to argue against yourself. Above, the first thing you mentioned that it's limited by our perception which I certainly agree with.In order remove errors introduced by our perception of things we have to drill down the mathematics and all the equations point to the fact that the whole universe is indeed flat.
What is the shape of the universe?
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By Elizabeth Rayne
published November 13, 2022
The universe may be vast, but researchers have multiple points of evidence that reveal its shape.
The universe may be vast, but researchers have multiple points of evidence that reveal its shape. (Image credit: Weiquan Lin via Getty Images)
The universe may seem shapeless because it is so vast, but it does have a form that astronomers can observe. So, what is it shaped like?
Physicists think the universe is flat. Several lines of evidence point to this flat universe: light left over from the Big Bang, the rate of expansion of the universe at different locations, and the way the universe "looks" from different angles, experts told Live Science.
David Spergel, a theoretical astrophysicist and emeritus professor of astrophysical sciences at Princeton University, has probed the shape of the universe for decades. In a 2003 study published in The Astrophysical Journal, Spergel measured irregularities in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), light left over from the Big Bang, that were observed by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) and later by the European Space Agency's Planck spacecraft.
The amounts of positive and negative energy in a flat universe are exactly the same, and therefore cancel each other out. If the universe had a curvature, one would be higher than the other. "A flat universe corresponds to a universe with zero energy," Spergel told Live Science.
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In this case, the WMAP measurements of CMB fluctuations suggested the universe was both infinite and flat. Spergel also compared these measurements with those made by the European Space Agency's Planck spacecraft, which further constrained the possible shapes the universe could take.
"We can measure the curvature with some uncertainty, so we can say that the curvature is zero with some uncertainty," Spergel said. "While we can lower the uncertainty, we only at best constrain the geometry."
Evidence for the flatness of the universe also shows up in what's known as the critical density. At the critical density, a hypothetical universe would be flat and would eventually stop expanding, but only after an infinite time, according to the Swinburne University of Technology in Australia. If a hypothetical universe were denser than this, it would be curved like a sphere and eventually collapse in on itself due to its gravity — a proposed phenomenon known as the "Big Crunch."
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But all measurements of our real universe suggest it is just below the critical density, meaning the universe is both flat and will expand indefinitely.
Yet another line of evidence suggests the universe is flat: It is isotropic, meaning it looks the same from every angle. Anton Chudaykin, a physicist at the Institute for Nuclear Research in Russia, and colleagues looked at the data on oscillations in regular, or "baryonic," matter, as well as models of how atomic nuclei heavier than hydrogen were created soon after the Big Bang, to estimate the curvature of the universe.
"In different geometries, matter and light evolve differently, which allows us to extract the three-dimensional shape of the universe from observation data," Chudaykin told Live Science.
The research, published in the journal Physical Review D, found that to within a 0.2% margin of accuracy, the universe was flat."The data we gathered indicate that the spatial curvature is consistent with zero," the researchers wrote in the study. "It implies that our universe within statistical uncertainty is infinite."
yes and?
My goodness, you really love to argue against yourself. Above, the first thing you mentioned that it's limited by our perception which I certainly agree with.
Then you argue for that selfsame perception to determine the flatness of the universe which by all means and methods is a limited perspective. If human perception is the limiting factor, flatness or sphericity cannot be determined!!
And you still haven't answered my original query on your original statement and backtracked on it. It was that gravitation affects human perception towards sphericity. This entire post is contradictory to that original statement of yours. Now you're arguing that despite gravity, human perception readily accepts flatness.
Or do you readily gravitate towards easy answers?
My mind is always open for vax and anti vax, flat earth or otherwise.The warping of space time creates what we see when we look at the heavens ie the earth orbiting round the sun, the moon orbiting the earth and entire galaxies orbiting around super massive black holes.
This leads us to perceive the standard model of the universe in 3 dimensions.
However when we do the maths we find that the truth is stranger than fiction and that the balance of probabilities points to the fact that the whole universe is flat which of course infers that the contents have to be flat too.
This in no way suggests that future discoveries will not throw up yet another interpretation of how the universe is shaped.
There are no rights or wrongs when it comes to science. All we have at any given point in time is a hypothesis regarding how the physical world works. When observations reinforce the hypothesis the science is said to be withstanding the test of time but there will invariably come a point where measurements contradict conventional wisdom and a new theory has to be put forth to explain what is going on..
Take the speed of light in a vacuum. All observations so far have reinforced Einstein's equations. However nobody can discount the possibility that there may be a particle that breaks this speed limit just waiting to be discovered.
Keep an open mind and acknowledge the fact that the flat earthers may be proven right one day and the rest of us will look really stupid.
If you have an IQ, go and find the person who preaches that there is an edge with flat earth
But I doubt you have one. That is why mad dog always go bark the wrong tree
Stupid arse hole.If you have an IQ, go and find the person who preaches that there is an edge with flat earth
But I doubt you have one. That is why mad dog always go bark the wrong tree
If I find you I will hammer till you left with no teeth bloody son of the cult.Listen. Only cult would tell their followers to take foreign substances into their body and die suddenly lol
I doubt you have an IQ to begin with lol
If I find you I will hammer till you left with no teeth bloody son of the cult.
However when we do the maths we find that the truth is stranger than fiction and that the balance of probabilities points to the fact that the whole universe is flat which of course infers that the contents have to be flat too.
This in no way suggests that future discoveries will not throw up yet another interpretation of how the universe is shaped.
Take the speed of light in a vacuum. All observations so far have reinforced Einstein's equations. However nobody can discount the possibility that there may be a particle that breaks this speed limit just waiting to be discovered.
Keep an open mind and acknowledge the fact that the flat earthers may be proven right one day and the rest of us will look really stupid.
Only critical thinkers will question.
The sheeple are too lazy to think and believe whatever told by the government and mainstream media is the truth