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Infidelity in Organisations - the Singaporean notion

nayr69sg

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Hey Doc, great to hear from you.

As a former Singaporean, it will be good if you have sometime from your busy practice to let folks know that there is a bigger and better World out there. Enjoyed hearing about your time working in a cabinet making business if I got that right. Singaporeans need to be more adventurous career wise and its not all about money. They also have to know that they can change the status quo politically.

I would if the migration threads were a bit more active. It's dead. I have also realized over the years that perhaps the reason why we tried to evangelize and post the pros of migration was to "justify" our choices. But having come to Canada and flourished. There is no need to justify anything to ourselves or to anyone. (it's a Singaporean kiasu kiasee thing to "justify" personal choices). So that's maybe why you don't see us Canadians posting much anymore.

If anyone out there wants to know a bit more about Canada. Post in the migration Canada thread. Ask a question. We would be happy to share. Otherwise it is not our place to sell Canada to Singaporeans.

I was in the windows making business. PVC Window jambs and sills. Later on Oil and Gas Land Administration. Right of ways, well permits, pipe crossings, freehold landowner rights, etc. Was a fun time. Medicine is the most boring and unpleasant. But it pays well. In a way I haven't changed that much as far as going where the money is.

But certainly the plan was never so much about myself but for my children and future grandchildren.
 

Charlie99

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I would if the migration threads were a bit more active. It's dead. I have also realized over the years that perhaps the reason why we tried to evangelize and post the pros of migration was to "justify" our choices. But having come to Canada and flourished. There is no need to justify anything to ourselves or to anyone. (it's a Singaporean kiasu kiasee thing to "justify" personal choices). So that's maybe why you don't see us Canadians posting much anymore.

If anyone out there wants to know a bit more about Canada. Post in the migration Canada thread. Ask a question. We would be happy to share. Otherwise it is not our place to sell Canada to Singaporeans.

I was in the windows making business. PVC Window jambs and sills. Later on Oil and Gas Land Administration. Right of ways, well permits, pipe crossings, freehold landowner rights, etc. Was a fun time. Medicine is the most boring and unpleasant. But it pays well. In a way I haven't changed that much as far as going where the money is.

But certainly the plan was never so much about myself but for my children and future grandchildren.

Congratulations!
Wish you and your family, many happy, healthy, content, Blessed years.
 

JHolmesJr

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I would if the migration threads were a bit more active. It's dead. I have also realized over the years that perhaps the reason why we tried to evangelize and post the pros of migration was to "justify" our choices. But having come to Canada and flourished. There is no need to justify anything to ourselves or to anyone. (it's a Singaporean kiasu kiasee thing to "justify" personal choices). So that's maybe why you don't see us Canadians posting much anymore.

If anyone out there wants to know a bit more about Canada. Post in the migration Canada thread. Ask a question. We would be happy to share. Otherwise it is not our place to sell Canada to Singaporeans.

I was in the windows making business. PVC Window jambs and sills. Later on Oil and Gas Land Administration. Right of ways, well permits, pipe crossings, freehold landowner rights, etc. Was a fun time. Medicine is the most boring and unpleasant. But it pays well. In a way I haven't changed that much as far as going where the money is.

But certainly the plan was never so much about myself but for my children and future grandchildren.

Good post....finally a singo who made good and fully deserves to....

Unlike the rest of the ass clowns on here.

Specially the gay albino and jah pastafarian community.
 

kukubird59

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I am quite puzzled that Singaporeans genuinely think that infidelity is a crime or conduct for which the employer or the state has to address and bring the parties involved to be answerable for their conduct.......

The state controlled media will never ask the PM if infidelity or adultery is a dismissible conduct. And you know why?

hahaha...truly an empty vessel....
as usual talking thru the arse again....

Letter from Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong to PAP MPs on Rules of Prudence

All PAP MPs

RULES OF PRUDENCE

BEYOND SG50

It is a tradition for the Prime Minister to send a letter on “Rules of Prudence” to all the PAP MPs after an election. The context each time may be different but the subject remains constant, because integrity, honesty and incorruptibility are fundamental to our Party. We must never tire of reminding ourselves of their importance.

2. Our Party has won 83 out of 89 seats in the just concluded General Election, with all seats contested. Overall, the PAP won 69.9% of the votes.

3. The people have endorsed what we have done in the previous term, and given us a clear mandate to take Singapore forward beyond SG50. Now we must fulfil what we have promised to do in our manifesto. We must never break faith with the people, but must always carry out our duties to them responsibly, address their worries and advance their interests.

4. Be humble in victory. As MPs, always remember we are servants of the people, not masters. Do not mistake the strong election result to mean that our efforts have succeeded, and that we can afford to slacken. Much work remains to be done tackling issues which concern Singaporeans, and finding new ways to improve people’s lives. Listen hard to voter concerns, help them to tackle pressing needs, and convey their worries and aspirations to the Government. Persuade them to support policies which are in their own long term benefit, while helping the Government to formulate good policies and stay in close touch with the people.

UPHOLDING OUR REPUTATION AND INTEGRITY

5. One vital factor that has enabled the PAP to retain the trust of Singaporeans all these years is honesty and integrity. The PAP’s reputation for clean, incorruptible government is one of our most precious assets. As PAP MPs, your personal standing reflects this high standing of the Party as a whole. I cannot stress strongly enough that every MP must uphold the rigorous standards that we have set for ourselves, and do nothing to compromise them. Never give cause for allegations that you are misusing your position, especially your access to Ministers. That would discredit both you and the Party.

6. As MPs, you will come across many different sorts of people. Many altruistic, public spirited individuals will help you without wanting anything in return, spending time and money to get community projects going and to serve residents. But a few will cultivate you to obtain benefits for themselves or their companies, to gain respectability by association with you, or to get you to influence ministries and statutory boards to make decisions in their favour. Gift hampers on festive occasions, entertainment, and personal favours big and small are just a few of countless social lubricants which such people use to ingratiate themselves to MPs and make you obligated to them.

7. You must distinguish between these two groups of people, and be shrewd in assessing the motives of those who seek to get close to you. At all times be seen to be beyond the influence of gifts or favours.

8. Be scrupulously proper in your contacts with government departments or public officers. Do not lobby any ministry or statutory board on behalf of anyone who is not your constituent or grassroots activist. Do not raise matters with public officers on behalf of friends, clients, contractors, employers, or financiers to advance their business interests. Conduct business with government agencies in writing and avoid making telephone requests. If you have to speak, follow up in writing to put your requests on record.

9. MPs are often approached by friends, grassroots leaders or proprietors and businessmen to officiate at the openings of their new shops or other business events. They usually offer a gesture, such as a donation to a charity or constituency welfare fund. Though it may be awkward to refuse such requests, once you accept one, you will be hard-pressed to draw a line. As a rule, you should decline invitations to such business events. If you feel you should attend, please obtain prior approval from the Whip.

SEPARATING BUSINESS AND POLITICS

10. Separate your public political position from your private, professional or business interests. MPs who are in business, who occupy senior management positions in companies, or who sit on company boards should be especially vigilant. You must not exploit your public position as Government MPs, your close contacts with the Ministers, or your access to government departments and civil servants, for your personal interest or the benefit of your employers. Your conduct must always be above board.

11. MPs who are employed by companies or industry associations may at times have to make public statements on behalf of their company or industry association. If you have to do so, make it clear that you are not speaking as an MP, but in your private, professional or business capacity.

12. Do not use Parliamentary questions as a means to lobby the Government on behalf of your businesses or clients. When you raise questions in Parliament related to your own businesses or your clients, be careful to first declare your pecuniary interest in the issue.

13. You may, however, speak freely to Cabinet Ministers, who are your Parliamentary colleagues. Ministers will listen carefully to arguments on principles, especially when they relate to the general policy of their Ministries. But Ministers will not exercise their discretion to change individual decisions without very good reasons which they can justify publicly. Parliamentary Secretaries and Ministers of State who intervene in their Ministries to reverse or alter decisions should promptly report the matter to their Ministers to protect themselves against possible accusations of misconduct. The Government must always base decisions on the merits of the issues, and cannot yield to pressure from interested parties.

DIRECTORSHIPS

14. MPs are often invited to serve on the Boards of private and publicly listed companies. This is a sign that the private sector values PAP MPs’ integrity and experience, and reflects the high standing of the Party and of PAP MPs in general. The Party permits MPs to serve as directors, provided you keep your private and public responsibilities rigorously separate, and your private appointments do not compromise your duties and performance as an MP.

15. The public will closely scrutinise your involvement in companies, because you are a PAP MP. Conduct your business activities so as to bring credit to yourself and to the Party. Adverse publicity on your performance as a director, or lapses in the companies you are associated with, will tarnish your reputation as an MP and lower the public’s regard for the Party.

16. You should not solicit for Directorships in any companies, lest you appear to be exploiting your political position to benefit yourself.

17. You should not accept directorships where your role is just to dress up the board with a PAP MP or two, in order to make the company look more respectable.

18. Some grassroots leaders are businessmen who own or manage companies. You should not sit on any boards of companies owned or chaired by grassroots leaders appointed by you, so as to avoid the perception that you are obligated to them or advancing their business interests.

19. If you are offered a Directorship, you have to decide for yourself whether to accept. The Party is not in a position to vet or approve such decisions.

20. Before accepting, consider the possible impact of the Directorship on your political life. Ensure that the company understands that you are doing so strictly in your private capacity, and will not use your public position to champion the interests of the company, or lobby the government on its behalf.

21. Make every effort to familiarise yourself with the business, track record and background of the key promoters of the company. Satisfy yourself that the company is reputable, and that you are able to make a meaningful contribution. Specifically, just like anyone else contemplating a Directorship, you should ask yourself:

a. How well do you know the company, its business strategy, financial status, shareholding structure and the underlying industry?

b. Do you know your fellow directors, the way the Board and its committees fulfil their responsibilities, the reporting structure between Board and Management and the relationship between shareholders and the company?

c. Do you have sufficient industry, financial or professional expertise to fulfil your expected role and responsibilities as a Director? Do you understand your obligations under the law and the Code of Corporate Governance? Will you be able to discharge your fiduciary duties properly and without fear or favour?

d. Will you face any conflicts of interest, and if so can you manage them? If in any doubt, you should decline.

22. Once you have decided to take up a Directorship, please inform the Whip. Detailed reporting requirements are listed in the Annex.

PARLIAMENT

23. MPs are expected to attend all sittings of Parliament. If you have to be absent from any sitting, seek permission from the Government Whip. Please inform the Whip if you have to leave the Parliament premises while a sitting is on.

24. If you travel abroad, or need to be absent from Parliament for any reason, you must apply to the Speaker for leave, with copies to the Leader of the House and the Government Whip. You should also inform the Whip where you can be reached while abroad.

25. I have asked the Speaker to give all MPs, particularly new MPs, ample opportunity and latitude to speak in Parliament. Your first opportunity will be during the debate on the President’s Address at the opening of Parliament in January 2016. Following that, at the Budget Debate, all MPs should speak up. Script your speeches or put your key points in note form to structure your presentation and help the media.

26. The public expects PAP MPs to express their views frankly, whether for or against Government policies. During debates, speak freely and with conviction. Press your points vigorously, and do not shy away from robust debate. However, please exercise judgement when putting your points across, and do not get carried away playing to the gallery.

27. Bring out questions and issues that Singaporeans and your constituents have concerns about, and grapevine talk for the Government to rebut, but avoid unwittingly lending credence to baseless gossip. This will show that you and the Party are in touch with the ground, and speaking up for Singaporeans. Bringing up pertinent issues and questions in a timely manner helps ministers to put across the facts, explain the reasons for policies and decisions, and maintain public confidence in the openness and integrity of our actions.

28. Your honest, informed views are an important political input to Ministers when they formulate and review policies. Ministers will accept valid, constructive suggestions, but they have to challenge inaccurate or mistaken views. Over time, the public will see that PAP backbenchers are as effective as opposition MPs, if not better, at holding ministers to account, getting issues fully debated, and influencing policies for the better.

IMPORTANT PUBLIC OCCASIONS

29. On certain occasions, like the National Day Parade and the Investiture Ceremony for National Day Awards, the whole Establishment, i.e. the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary, will be there. Those who cannot attend must have very good reasons. Those who have accepted the invitation must attend, otherwise they leave empty seats, which does no credit to them or to the Party.

30. At all public functions and constituency events, punctuality is of paramount importance.

GIFTS

31. You should not accept gifts which might place you under obligations which conflict with your public duties. If you receive any gifts other than from close personal friends or relatives, you must declare them to the Clerk of Parliament who will have the gifts valued. If you wish to keep the gifts, you must pay the Government for them at the valuation price.

FUND-RAISING

32. Party Branches should not raise funds on their own without permission, for example by soliciting advertisements for a souvenir magazine or a carnival. If you intend to raise funds, please clear it beforehand with the Organising Secretary. When your branch embarks on a collective fund-raising activity, e.g. a Family Day or Walk-A-Jog, you must follow the rules strictly.

FINANCIAL PRUDENCE

33. As MPs, you should manage your personal financial affairs prudently. Do not over-extend yourself or become financially embarrassed. This would be not only a potential source of personal embarrassment, but also a weakness which may expose you to pressure or blackmail.

34. In particular, be careful about making major financial commitments assuming that you will continue to receive your MP’s allowance. While MPs typically serve several terms, you cannot assume that you will automatically be fielded in future General Elections, or that if fielded you will definitely be re-elected. There is neither tenure nor job security in politics.

DECLARATION OF INCOME

35. For your own protection, every MP should disclose to me, in confidence, your business and professional interests, your present employment and monthly pay, all retainers and fees that you are receiving, and whether your job requires you to get in touch with officers of Government Ministries or statutory boards on behalf of employers or clients. Office holders need not do so because you will be subject to the reporting requirements of the Code of Conduct for ministers. This should be done by 31 October 2015.

GENERAL BEHAVIOUR

36. The PAP has held our position in successive elections because our integrity has never been in doubt, and because we are sensitive to the views and attitudes of the people we represent. MPs must always uphold the high standards of the Party and not have lifestyles or personal conduct which will embarrass themselves and the Party. Any slackening of standards, or show of arrogance or indifference by any MP, will erode confidence in him, and ultimately in the Party and Government. New MPs can pick up the dos and don’ts from older MPs. You should conduct yourselves always with modesty, decorum and dignity, particularly in the media. You must win respect, not popularity, to stay the course.

MEDIA PUBLICITY

37. I am releasing a copy of this letter to the media so that the public knows the high standards we demand of our MPs.

LEE HSIEN LOONG
 

nayr69sg

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Staff member
SuperMod
Congratulations!
Wish you and your family, many happy, healthy, content, Blessed years.

Thank you Charlie99 for your advice and encouragement back in 2004. If not for this forum and the information I got I would not be in Canada. So thank you everyone, and thank you Leongsam for this wonderful forum.
 

dr.wailing

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Scroobal, Welcome back!
I hesitate..... I dun think the real scroobal is back. His style of writing and analysis are so different from the scroobal of yesteryears. A ghost writer has logged into scroobal's account and posted comments on his behalf.
 

Charlie99

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Thank you Charlie99 for your advice and encouragement back in 2004. If not for this forum and the information I got I would not be in Canada. So thank you everyone, and thank you Leongsam for this wonderful forum.

Above all, "Doc", you are the man, who made it happen and a success.
Your ability and willingness to work at the "window factory" as a start, and then moving upward to that "land admin company", and finally persevere to be a medical resident (again) with ridiculous hours and unreasonable compensation, is worthy of respect and admiration.
Cheers.

"Auspicium Melioris Aevi"
 

nayr69sg

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Above all, "Doc", you are the man, who made it happen and a success.
Your ability and willingness to work at the "window factory" as a start, and then moving upward to that "land admin company", and finally persevere to be a medical resident (again) with ridiculous hours and unreasonable compensation, is worthy of respect and admiration.
Cheers.

"Auspicium Melioris Aevi"

The irony is that I was very happy working at the windows factory and very happy working at the land admin company.

Unhappy being a doctor again. I did leave Singapore. But I now know that one of the reasons that led me to leave was also because I disliked working as a doctor. So now I am back in the same profession. Granted the money is good but I am unhappy at work. I really do not feel like anyone worth respecting and admiring. I have given up my happiness in exchange for financial security. Certainly not what I had in mind when I moved to Canada.

Nevertheless, as I said, it was never really about me but for my family. I just never counted on being happy working in minimum wage jobs and moving up the corporate ladder and instead being unhappy doing what I was trained in Singapore to do. Perhaps it is because of my Singapore experience that poisons my view of medicine. I will never know.

My wife and kids are happy though so I guess that's most of what I set out to do.
 

Charlie99

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The irony is that I was very happy working at the windows factory and very happy working at the land admin company.

Unhappy being a doctor again. I did leave Singapore. But I now know that one of the reasons that led me to leave was also because I disliked working as a doctor. So now I am back in the same profession. Granted the money is good but I am unhappy at work. I really do not feel like anyone worth respecting and admiring. I have given up my happiness in exchange for financial security. Certainly not what I had in mind when I moved to Canada.

Nevertheless, as I said, it was never really about me but for my family. I just never counted on being happy working in minimum wage jobs and moving up the corporate ladder and instead being unhappy doing what I was trained in Singapore to do. Perhaps it is because of my Singapore experience that poisons my view of medicine. I will never know.

My wife and kids are happy though so I guess that's most of what I set out to do.

I understand how it feels to be unhappy with work or profession.
I hope the money, the so called security, the more balanced lifestyle will out weigh the "unhappiness" at work.
If I have to start all over again, I will probably like to be in a different profession.

At least your wife and children are happy,
which will make your life at home happier.

Take care.
 

scroobal

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I don't think it got to do with voters at all. Sure you might have a few who will not accept someone who committed adultery but there is more to this. If it was just adultery David Ong could have just said that it is a private matter and that he will resolve it within the families. The PAP cannot dismiss him outright and there is no law or even a contract or condition within the party that he breached. There are other cases of MPs who committed adultery or have done far worse but they are still in position when it matters was revealed or the spouse complained. If David stood his ground they cannot remove him as MP. If he felt that he needed to go on moral grounds the outcome surely cannot be what we have seen. There would be time for him to meet key grassroots leaders.etc People would understand this.

I suppose the largely conservative voters expect to elect mp who are not only law abiding but also morally upright. After all staying above the law alone itself is a very low moral benchmark.
 

scroobal

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I do recall Khaw demanding answers from WP over Yaw as though Yaw committed triple murder. I also recall that the Toa Payoh Borthel went into overdrive. I got so fed up I released the Shanmugam Escapde and it escalated from there. I only stopped for the daughter was studying for her A level in Washington State and the Son was in a UK uni.


Yawgate might not have happened had yaw been a pap mp. In this case the news was brokered by, of all things, by a pro opposition website. Who needs the pap when you have "friends" like these.

The mainstream media pounced on it like a paedophile at a kids playground and forced their version of morality onto wp in a bid to extract their political pound of flesh. Whether anyone in the media was aware that the pap might have dealt with such a case differently is anyone's guess. One the rape begins, you don't expect the rapist to let go.

The pap must sack the mp if the info cannot be contained. That has always been the case. Yawgate i suspect tied the pap hands a little further. The rope used to hang wp now binds the hypocrite's own limbs. Delicious irony.
 

scroobal

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Bro, the trouble with your wild guesses and gossips are that they are accurate and factual. One day we have to discuss why old man was adamant that his house must be destroyed once the daughter leaves.

Let me make a wild guess. Ex-wife seconded to SPF and was IO in Commercial Crime Division, CID when Lock was around?
 

scroobal

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Bro, this one suggest that the Toa Payoh Brothel was asked to go on maximum damage rather than damage control. It also appears that they are targeting the woman and her family. This one has more legs than a fucking spider.

serf dem rite! ...

stil can remember dat time dat pompous n arrogant $8 hart scumburger whacking hard ... now dey kena it demselves ...

dey hantam pipz wifout realising dey demselves oso stay in glass hauses ...

so now, their ibs r b-z doing damage control wok ...
 

Ash007

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The irony is that I was very happy working at the windows factory and very happy working at the land admin company.

Unhappy being a doctor again. I did leave Singapore. But I now know that one of the reasons that led me to leave was also because I disliked working as a doctor. So now I am back in the same profession. Granted the money is good but I am unhappy at work. I really do not feel like anyone worth respecting and admiring. I have given up my happiness in exchange for financial security. Certainly not what I had in mind when I moved to Canada.

Nevertheless, as I said, it was never really about me but for my family. I just never counted on being happy working in minimum wage jobs and moving up the corporate ladder and instead being unhappy doing what I was trained in Singapore to do. Perhaps it is because of my Singapore experience that poisons my view of medicine. I will never know.

My wife and kids are happy though so I guess that's most of what I set out to do.

Suicide rate of doctors used to be pretty high. The universities realised, a lot of medical students choose the course, due to peer pressure, family pressure, to be a "doctor" if you have the highest marks after high school. Which is why there are "programs" in place to not just select medical students nowadays based on marks, but also on their willingness and commitment to be one. There is also an additional interview process and medical/ethics,UMAT, exams. I always say the price of failure is too high in Singapore. Which probably results in too many unhappy people in the country.

http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/study/md/admission/selection-criteria.php
https://umat.acer.edu.au/

Domestic applicants who meet the minimum GPA and GAMSAT requirements will be considered for participation in the Interview process. Applicants will be selected for interview based on their Overall GAMSAT scores. The overall cut-off will be determined once all applications have been received by Sydney Medical School.

UMAT
UMAT is developed by the Australian Council for Educational Research (ACER) on behalf of the UMAT Consortium universities. The test is used specifically to assist with the selection of students into the medicine, dentistry and health science degree programs at undergraduate level at the universities listed on this website.
 

scroobal

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You know that what drew me to this site was the Emigration folder. I became aware that information to help families was pretty bare and the local press was not allowed to carry any advertisement or articles on helping those who want to move on. Was also pretty much upset when people are told that having a foreign citizenship while holding on to the Singapore citizenship was a crime.

Unfortunately the Emigration Folder became a target of a sustained troll attack by one nutcase, an ex_singaporean from the US. In the end only Ash, Neddy and Axe were left standing. If I have the time I might go back to the folder just to create a platform to exchange notes, experiences and any information such schools for kids.

I do understand your challenge with practising with Medicine. I do recall you made this very clear when you first joined this forum. I guess many of us work to fund our family's lifestyle and opens doors of opportunity. And big yes on family. Your kids will thank your wife and you for having the courage to explore and move and setting the stage for them.

Interestingly all the grandkids of all old man are in the same boat. They rather work in the US than live in Singapore.

I would if the migration threads were a bit more active. It's dead. I have also realized over the years that perhaps the reason why we tried to evangelize and post the pros of migration was to "justify" our choices. But having come to Canada and flourished. There is no need to justify anything to ourselves or to anyone. (it's a Singaporean kiasu kiasee thing to "justify" personal choices). So that's maybe why you don't see us Canadians posting much anymore.

If anyone out there wants to know a bit more about Canada. Post in the migration Canada thread. Ask a question. We would be happy to share. Otherwise it is not our place to sell Canada to Singaporeans.

I was in the windows making business. PVC Window jambs and sills. Later on Oil and Gas Land Administration. Right of ways, well permits, pipe crossings, freehold landowner rights, etc. Was a fun time. Medicine is the most boring and unpleasant. But it pays well. In a way I haven't changed that much as far as going where the money is.

But certainly the plan was never so much about myself but for my children and future grandchildren.
 

scroobal

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Bro, doc was true inspiration for many in this forum in the early day. Frankly most people would have given up. The hurdles was just too high. He never gave up and he was also not shy to ask questions or share his challenges. We used to wait for updates on his trial and tribulations.

Good post....finally a singo who made good and fully deserves to....

Unlike the rest of the ass clowns on here.

Specially the gay albino and jah pastafarian community.
 

Leongsam

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Admin
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Bro, doc was true inspiration for many in this forum in the early day. Frankly most people would have given up. The hurdles was just too high. He never gave up and he was also not shy to ask questions or share his challenges. We used to wait for updates on his trial and tribulations.

What is needed is a clarification and update regarding the status of Children born in Singapore. The cut of date of 11yrs of age no longer applies.

New rules have been brought in to prevent PRs from spiriting their children away at a young age to avoid NS. A Kiwi kid has been caught in the net. It was in the press here a couple of months ago and there's a thread about in this forum.

However the immigration folder has pretty much done its time. Information is so easily available nowadays that it is no longer needed as the sole source of reliable information.
 
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