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I hate to say "I told you so" but the fact is that masks do nothing to stop the spread of Covid

How do you wear mask?

I always exposed my nose and in outdoor space i expose my mouth too. My mask is always under my chin.
 
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best solution is.....those who love wearing masks, by all means go ahead, wear double layer or triple if u like
just dont force others to wear....fair? knn
humans not so simple lah... the mask wearers think if they should wear everyone else must also wear. Don't have to be mask. Can be if wear tie, tudung, whatever...

Whether out of a desire to share the misery, self-righteousness or just plain kiasi I dunno lah.

but it would be nice if people would be that flexible.
 
I like Arden she's a nice person. She deserves to win just as National deserves to lose for imploding 6 months out from the election. What I do not like is the influence of the Green party on labor policies and it is for that reason that lots of centre right voters abandoned National and voted labor just to keep the greens out and that includes yours truly.

However for the long term good of the country someone other than Arden needs to take the reigns. Touchy feely policies can only get you so far.
as a general rule, reasonable and logical people don't vote green... :roflmao:

but why you care so much? you permanently and successfully retired no? no labour relations you need to worry about anymore...
 
as a general rule, reasonable and logical people don't vote green... :roflmao:

but why you care so much? you permanently and successfully retired no? no labour relations you need to worry about anymore...

More and more regulations are being imposed on rich pricks to pander to the needs of the losers of society. I was already planning to leave NZ this year but Covid has put paid to my plans for the time being.
 
mainichi.jp

Should you rush to get a COVID-19 vaccination? One specialist in Japan says he won't - The Mainichi


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Masayuki Miyasaka is seen in this photo he provided to the Mainichi Shimbun.
Two major U.S. pharmaceutical companies racing to develop novel coronavirus vaccines have announced that their vaccines have been confirmed to be over 90% effective. But Masayuki Miyasaka, a leading immunologist at Osaka University, told the Mainichi Shimbun in a recent interview that even after these vaccines become available, he does not plan to receive them for the time being.
At a meeting of the Committee on Health, Labor and Welfare of Japan's House of Representatives on Nov. 17, Miyasaka stated, "There's no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all," sounding a word of caution about expectations for the vaccines.
In the following interview, Miyasaka explains how people should interpret a figure of "over 90% effective" and shares his concerns about the vaccines.
Question: Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. both recently announced that their vaccines were over 90% effective. How should we interpret this?
Answer: People tend to misunderstand this. It doesn't mean that if you give the vaccine to 100 people, it will work on 90 of them. "Effectiveness" estimates how much the onset of illness will drop in vaccinated people if you set the rate of infections among unvaccinated people at 1 as a base figure. So "confirmed 90% effective" is equivalent to "90% of people who developed the disease without being vaccinated would not have gotten it had they been vaccinated."
Q: The effectiveness of influenza vaccines is said to be around 30 to 50%. We've heard from experts that it would be difficult to develop a coronavirus vaccine, so it's surprising to hear figures of "over 90%" being touted.
A: I'm also surprised to hear that. I had thought that even if they succeeded in developing a vaccine, it would have around the same level of effectiveness as influenza vaccines, or that it would be limited to preventing serious cases of the disease. But it appears that's not the case. I think we need to pay attention in the future to how such high figures emerged.
Q: During the lower house committee meeting, you said the methods in which clinical trial data of U.S. companies was released was in a "grey zone." What is the problem, specifically?
A: In the international development of vaccines, parties normally have to be extremely careful about releasing interim data from phase 3 trials, which represent the final stage. During phase 3 trials, recipients are divided into two groups, one of which is administered the vaccine and one of which receives a placebo, and neither doctors nor patients are told which is which when vaccinations take place. This is to prevent preconceptions and other forms of bias and confirm the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine. It is known as a "double blind" technique.
Methods of releasing information that speak directly about the results of clinical trials, like how the two firms did recently, are practically forbidden. There is a possibility that doctors and patients in the trial could find out the details, compromising the "blindness" of phase 3. This could affect the decision on whether or not to approve the drug.
The American companies may have thought they could more easily have the vaccines approved by creating the impression from an early stage that their vaccines are effective. Intense competition probably plays a part in this, but if one company does this, then the others will adopt the same approach. It's a cause for concern.
Q: The two firms said that they saw "no serious safety concerns" with the vaccines in early data. What do you think of this?
A: Usually, the frequency of serious side effects from vaccinations is in the range of several cases per million. The scale of the trial is currently in the range of tens of thousands of people, so unless you increase the scale to the hundreds of thousands, you likely won't know the real risks. Looking back on the history of the development of vaccines, only about 4% make it all the way from pre-clinical trials (on animals) to approval. So if there are 100 candidate vaccines, 96 of them will fall by the wayside. But this is not because they were unable to produce antibodies. Even if they are effective in triggering an immune response, the reality is that most of them are rejected due to side effects.
The current phase 3 trials are conducted on people who have not been infected with the novel coronavirus. With vaccines there is a risk of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), in which antibodies acquired through past infections or vaccinations behave abnormally, causing the ailment in the patient to become severe. But during phase 3 trials, you can't examine the possibility of ADE -- that can only be done after it goes on sale.
Q: During the lower house health committee meeting, you stated that medical workers should not be given priority in receiving vaccinations. Why is this?
A: This is because if you administer the vaccines to medical workers when the side effects remain unclear, then they could be knocked out before patients, which would make things difficult. When new types of influenza spread, medical workers were vaccinated first, but this was because influenza vaccines have a long history of development, and they know the frequency of side effects. However, when it comes to elderly people, while they have a low level of immunity, it's possible they will not develop major side effects because side effects are produced through an immune response. From that perspective there is significance in giving the elderly higher priority.
I take influenza vaccines, but I won't get the novel coronavirus vaccine for a while even after it becomes available. It's undoubtedly quite effective, but we shouldn't focus on that alone.
When it comes to administering vaccines, probably the most important thing is to give people the right to decide at what stage they should or shouldn't receive the vaccine, respecting individual opinions in light of the risks.
(Interviewed by Ai Yokota, Lifestyle and Medical News Department)
 
More and more regulations are being imposed on rich pricks to pander to the needs of the losers of society. I was already planning to leave NZ this year but Covid has put paid to my plans for the time being.
Where were you planning to move to Sam?
 
Masks don't work so it makes no difference whether they are worn or not.

NZ does not mandate mask use and we are doing just fine.

I think there was also the comment about asking people to wear masks making the covid situation WORSE.

Does it?

If it does then why? Because it gives a false sense of security? And that people should just have absolute 10m social distancing instead?

I think the discussions get diluted and misdirected when we mix in all these various topics.

Masks.

Actual mortality and morbidity risk of covid19.

Lockdowns.

People are generally scared about anything that can cause harm to them. Anything! So the media's constant reporting makes it worse.

Then this fear becomes what should we do?

And that's where all the crazy ideas come out.

So in the tene it is fear. And the media's constant reporting.
 
I think there was also the comment about asking people to wear masks making the covid situation WORSE.

Does it?

If it does then why? Because it gives a false sense of security? And that people should just have absolute 10m social distancing instead?

I think the discussions get diluted and misdirected when we mix in all these various topics.

Masks.

Actual mortality and morbidity risk of covid19.

Lockdowns.

People are generally scared about anything that can cause harm to them. Anything! So the media's constant reporting makes it worse.

Then this fear becomes what should we do?

And that's where all the crazy ideas come out.

So in the tene it is fear. And the media's constant reporting.

I think masks make things worse but since I don't see any data to support this hypothesis I'm not pursuing that agenda.
 


This message is being echoed over and over but I still can't find any data to show that masks work. The stats from various countries seem to suggest the opposite.

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Selling face masks is a highly lucrative business these days. I see many vending machines selling boxes or packs of masks next to snacks and drinks. :biggrin:

To quote a certain PAP technocrat: "What's wrong with collecting more money?" :wink:

Covid-19: Every Singapore resident to get free pair of reusable masks from Nov 30
https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...-resident-get-free-pair-reusable-masks-nov-30


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'Free'... some sucker is definitely paying for them. I wonder who? :cool:
 
Selling face masks is a highly lucrative business these days. I see many vending machines selling boxes or packs of masks next to snacks and drinks. :biggrin:

To quote a certain PAP technocrat: "What's wrong with collecting more money?" :wink:

Covid-19: Every Singapore resident to get free pair of reusable masks from Nov 30
https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...-resident-get-free-pair-reusable-masks-nov-30


EnOkdp2VoAAu-Av.jpg


'Free'... some sucker is definitely paying for them. I wonder who? :cool:

In the old days when a product made false medical claims the dealers and manufacturers were charged in court.

Same should apply to masks which do nothing to stop the spread of Covid.
 
More and more regulations are being imposed on rich pricks to pander to the needs of the losers of society. I was already planning to leave NZ this year but Covid has put paid to my plans for the time being.
Deleted...question answered above
 
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