How Jesus ended up as God

[glockman]

hey abang. Something just came to me. You know what I realized?

I can condense Mohammed and Jesus in 1 word. You care to hear?

I am also your abang. Yes I care to hear.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Spiritual monkey Rayamana

WTF you saying bro? You are still a fucking monkey!

 

[syed putra]

I think the Mongols created the problem....

After the mongols, mongol ally, the Turks took over middle east until 100 years ago. Those countries and monarchs, includ8ng Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE, Palestine etc were created just recently by the British. Hence monarchy,
Lebanon, syria were mandated to the French and became republic's.

 

[JohnTan]

Priesthood elevates human above others. The priest is more equal than anyone.

In Islam no such thing as priesthood.

What rubbish! You clearly don't know shit about islam. There is a priesthood in islam. It's just called by different names like religious scholars, ustaz, imams, clerics, etc.

In Iran, political power is in the hands of the clerics. In jiuhu, PAS key leadership is held by ustaz. For UMNO, politicians wield political power by controlling the mosques, which in turn, controls the people like sheep. In Indonesia, the vice president is a cleric. When moslems rage and riot, it is often due to their religious scholars and clerics helping to stir trouble. Even terrorists groups like al qaeda and taliban have the support of their local clerics and ustaz.

The knowledgeable teaches and shares their knowledge with others. While those being taught can in fact supersede the knowledge of their teachers. All of it is based on Quran and Hadiths. Any dispute goes back to the Quran and Hadith for confirmation and correction.

hadith came about 150 years after the quran was compiled. So the first group of moslems had to make do without hadith. quran was supposed to be the final word of your moon god, but it turns out that even allah got that part wrong. On top of allowing part of his quran to be permanently erased by hungry goats eating quran, allah didn't forsee that the final religious text of islam would be the hadith.

 

[nayr69sg]

What rubbish! You clearly don't know shit about islam. There is a priesthood in islam. It's just called by different names like religious scholars, ustaz, imams, clerics, etc.

In Iran, political power is in the hands of the clerics. In jiuhu, PAS key leadership is held by ustaz. For UMNO, politicians wield political power by controlling the mosques, which in turn, controls the people like sheep. In Indonesia, the vice president is a cleric. When moslems rage and riot, it is often due to their religious scholars and clerics helping to stir trouble. Even terrorists groups like al qaeda and taliban have the support of their local clerics and ustaz.

So how come in Singapore dont have such powerful Islamic leaders?

 

[JohnTan]

After the mongols, mongol ally, the Turks took over middle east until 100 years ago.

The turks love the mongols because without the mongol invasion, the nomadic turks may not have been able to take over arab leadership in the middle east. The turks till today do name their ships or military camps after Genghis Khan.

 

[JohnTan]

So how come in Singapore dont have such powerful Islamic leaders?

We do. PAP has always appointed a minister for moslem affairs. There are also moslems leading muis, a religious organization to keep the moslems in line through religion. There's no such equivalent for Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus or Christians.

 

[nayr69sg]

We do. PAP has always appointed a minister for moslem affairs. There are also moslems leading muis, a religious organization to keep the moslems in line through religion. There's no such equivalent for Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus or Christians.

You are right.

Thanks for pointing that out

As the old saying goes......

 

[JohnTan]

I think the Mongols created the problem....

Mongols did not create the problem by destroying Baghad.

The Mongol invasion of the moslem world started with Genghis Khan leading his soldiers into the moslem Khwarazmian empire in 1220. The war started because a moslem governor imprisoned a mongol trade and diplomatic mission, stole their goods and killed their merchants. A second mongol diplomatic delegation sent to demand justice ended with the Mongol envoy getting his beard burnt off and his bodyguards executed by the moslem Khwarazmian sultan. The sultan sided with his moslem governor simply because they shared the same moslem religion.

Ultimately, Genghis did the the islamic world what the islamic invaders have been doing to others; invade, destroy, loots and burn.

 

[JohnTan]

You are right.

Thanks for pointing that out

As the old saying goes......

In Singapore, mosques and moslem religious schools are built with local funds under the strict control of the PAP government. In Europe and other western societies, mosques and religious schools are built with mostly foreign funds and staffed with foreign religious leaders. You can see the religious and social problems caused by moslems in France. A lot of it has to do with their mosques and islamic religious schools spreading religious hate and extremism by foreigners.

In jiuhu, mosques are built with taxpayers monies, not just moslem money. The more mosques the government builds, the more support it gains regardless the quality of its governence. Not maintaining the mosques would be a more serious matter in jiuhu than the 1MBD financial scandal.

 

[whoami]

Old fashioned internet is called books bro.

I prefer to learn myself. In fact, I have no other good way.

Not everthing is DIY. Salvation bro.

 

[whoami]

bro. sorry to disagree. what you say you ownself prove yourself wrong.

you say no compulsion. you are compelled through fear of your eternal soul being punished and tortured.

If there is no compulsion, there is no fear. No force, follow of own free will. That is truly no compulsion. Following out of fear is not no compulsion.

See...inspite all the warnings given to mankind in the Quran. Yet we have by the billions yet to accept Islam. Like u...still a non Muslim. No compulsion, no. Unlike communism. Tats is compulsory

 

[whoami]

hey abang. Something just came to me. You know what I realized?

I can condense Mohammed and Jesus in 1 word. You care to hear?

To me both were Prophets of Allah azzawajal. Both were humans and creations of Allah azzawajal.

 

[whoami]

Deen does not mean religion
Posted on December 23, 2008
The principal idea of corrupting the word deen of Islam into the commonly accepted meaning of religion originated with the religionists. By means of this oblique device, the religionists effectively set themselves up to control the key to Paradise for all those who come to the Reading. Parallel situations are seen in the context of both the Jews and Christians in terms of their controlling priesthood. Religion, in the vernacular sense of the word, surely ought to have been issued from God to People and not on any other basis.
Taken from the Arab cult perspective, 5:3 reads:

By this simple trick and in the twinkle of an eye, Muslims were enslaved by the concept of the Arab religion. Besides what has been prescribed in 5:3 there are no other decrees that regulate the restrictions in the way of life for people other than these simple injunctions:

• You are forbidden to marry your own mother, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, and your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters, your foster mother who nursed you, girls nursed by the same woman as you, your mother-in-laws, your step-daughters, and women who were previously married to your sons. (4:23)
• You are forbidden to associate God with anything, you are forbidden to kill your infants from fear of poverty. You are forbidden to commit gross sins, obvious or hidden, you are forbidden to kill another person, you are forbidden to approach the orphan’s money, you are forbidden from profiteering, you are forbidden to be a false witness for the benefit of yourself or your own relatives. (6:151-152)
• You are forbidden from doing evil deeds – obvious or hidden sins – or to go against the truth, or to associate God with idols and to attribute lies to Him. (7:33)

Any sensible person without religious guidance would know the above are morally wrong. Nobody needs a rabbi, or priest, or mullah to tell other people that they are bad. Of course, such injunctions require the application of common sense. However, the Arab religion is predicated on the absence of this very necessity. The u’lema will threaten their followers with hell-fire if they insist on using their common sense. Unfortunately, those who obey the religionists and the u’lema may understand too late and say:

The prohibitions above are the only clearly forbidden things in God’s way. These four verses spell out all the restrictions or matters which are classified as Haram by the Lord of the Universe. The restrictions on food are repeated in two other verses. That makes a total of six verses containing restrictions out of a total of 6348 verses. There are no other restrictions in other verses in the Reading. If you belong to the Arab religion you will find tome upon tome of prohibitions written by men. Different sects in the Arab religion have different prohibitions and in some sects the primary victims are women. They are forbidden to expose their faces, walk on the street alone, talk to men or travel on public transport and in some extreme cases they are forbidden from attending schools.
We are constantly reminded by God not to observe ways from any sources other than His:


Sadly, those who have been misled by the Arab religion observe a whole host of other things that are purportedly forbidden or Haram. These other prohibitions are based on nothing. Viewed logically, the deen is a catalyst that allows people to discern the true Muslim by observation. It is clear that no one who observes these few simple restrictions can possibly participate in idol-worship. God’s values are perfect in form and function and universal in application. There is no need for anyone to add to them. Adding or taking away anything to these prescribed decrees simply adds to idol worship.
The situation that people find themselves in today is obvious. People must live for their Lord because He advocates only justice. People are expected to be sincere and focused their commitment to God alone. The big shock for the religionists at this point is that people of both sexes have been granted total freedom of choice as long as they keep these simple rules and do not defy truth and common sense or invent lies and attribute them to God. What could be simpler than that?

My guide is the Quran. Not the net. Haiz...cant u have ur own brain and think and write? Why copy and paste? Why dont u quote fm ur own scripture?

 

[whoami]

Muslim religionist fo not follow this attribute any more.
They forbid Muslims from not being a muslim which defy common sense. Faith is a personal matter and shoyld not dictated by others.

We believe in Allah azzawajal. We believe in the Quran. Of course we have to believe in HIS commandment. Even atheist or non believer like u believe in ur books i.e. internet

 

[whoami]

I am also your abang. Yes I care to hear.

Now abang? Tot u told us ur half aneh/cheena?

 

[tanwahtiu]

Half monkey too...

Now abang? Tot u told us ur half aneh/cheena?

 

[nightsafari]

Mongols did not create the problem by destroying Baghad.

The Mongol invasion of the moslem world started with Genghis Khan leading his soldiers into the moslem Khwarazmian empire in 1220. The war started because a moslem governor imprisoned a mongol trade and diplomatic mission, stole their goods and killed their merchants. A second mongol diplomatic delegation sent to demand justice ended with the Mongol envoy getting his beard burnt off and his bodyguards executed by the moslem Khwarazmian sultan. The sultan sided with his moslem governor simply because they shared the same moslem religion.

Ultimately, Genghis did the the islamic world what the islamic invaders have been doing to others; invade, destroy, loots and burn.

wait, wait a second. I was wondering if the Mongols never went that far West would Islam have spread as far as it did today. Conjecture. Not direct fact.

Islam has a tendency to be insular and not spread. With the Mongols and their "legs" and spread, I wonder if they were the "carriers" of Islam.

 

[nightsafari]

See...inspite all the warnings given to mankind in the Quran. Yet we have by the billions yet to accept Islam. Like u...still a non Muslim. No compulsion, no. Unlike communism. Tats is compulsory

uh... er.... ah... choosing to follow something because of threats to eternal soul is compulsion. If no threats and soul was guaranteed no matter what then that's truly free will.

Communism is an upgrade to compulsion. It's slavery.

 

[nightsafari]

We believe in Allah azzawajal. We believe in the Quran. Of course we have to believe in HIS commandment. Even atheist or non believer like u believe in ur books i.e. internet

well. I was thinking of something else. In all the information I can find so far, it seems that Mohammed kept promoting peace. I think it's remarkable because that part of the world in that time not peaceful. Whatever else said about him I cannot find any evidence, so I put aside.

Jesus story if I could summarize in 1 word would be forgiveness. I think it's important lessons to learn from these two. So peace and forgiveness.

Now contrast that instead with the religions created after their death using their name.

Because of religions and their political nature, we have neither peace nor forgiveness. Interesting no?

@glockman for you 2!