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Desa Tebrau
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With regards to the flooding potential in JB, you can refer to this elevation map: http://en-sg.topographic-map.com/places/Johor-Bahru-4033496/
Desa Tebrau is one of the higher areas in the locality, hence I don't expect any flood.
From the news, the most severe flooding occurred at Jalan Setia 10, which is one of the lowest lying in that locality, hence the surface run-offs could have mostly flowed in that residential area during heavy downpour. I believe the recent flood is mainly caused by silting of the river due to heavy constructions in this region, which caused the run-offs to accumulate in Jalan Setia 10.
Hence the government should monitor and fine errant developers that generate excessive silt, remove the existing silt from the drainage and expand the drainage system from that region into the nearby river.
Desa Tebrau is one of the higher areas in the locality, hence I don't expect any flood.
From the news, the most severe flooding occurred at Jalan Setia 10, which is one of the lowest lying in that locality, hence the surface run-offs could have mostly flowed in that residential area during heavy downpour. I believe the recent flood is mainly caused by silting of the river due to heavy constructions in this region, which caused the run-offs to accumulate in Jalan Setia 10.
Hence the government should monitor and fine errant developers that generate excessive silt, remove the existing silt from the drainage and expand the drainage system from that region into the nearby river.
Unfortunately, we have with us here one Setia hater, namely Relaxman who knows next to nothing about geography and civil engineering, will blame everything and anything to the developer.
FYI, the authorities have tried their best to improve the drainage system but without the commitment and assistance from the developer side, the problem will not be solved. Disappointingly, the developer seem not being responsive since last year. I guess they are playing "tai chi". If Tan Sri still around, he definitely won't allow this type of things happen to one of his pioneer brainchild project.
Currently, BDO area have heavy construction around the region too. FYI, Setia 10 is on higher ground compare to BDO p10 and p11. Why Setia 10 flood and not BDO P10 & P11? Therefore, geographic issue is secondary in this disaster. Is a man made crisis....
BDO is right next to Sungai Tebrau, so the silting problem is likely to appear downstream near the river mouth as the velocity of the water slows down.
Setia Indah 10 is the lowest point right in the middle of higher localities: Jalan Setia 2, Jalan Mutiara Emas 8, Persiaran Jaya Putra and the hills to the north.
The issue could be exacerbated when Glenmarie Heights start construction if nothing is done to alleviate the drainage issue. The government should also be wary of the flow in Sungai Tebrau as it serves many Tamans upstream. That's the environmental problem when JB develops too fast.
Setia Indah 10 is the lowest point right in the middle of higher localities: Jalan Setia 2, Jalan Mutiara Emas 8, Persiaran Jaya Putra and the hills to the north.
The issue could be exacerbated when Glenmarie Heights start construction if nothing is done to alleviate the drainage issue. The government should also be wary of the flow in Sungai Tebrau as it serves many Tamans upstream. That's the environmental problem when JB develops too fast.
Cannot deny it is an environmental problem.... and not forgetting the problem of lacking of desire by the developer to commit in making the place flood free. This is a classic example because this is the 1st time a developer screw up his own Taman with their new project within the Taman. At this point, only the involvement of both parties can overcome this problem. The government have made their move.... now waiting for the other party now.
Your insistence that the flood were caused by the developer is not only unbelievable, you also refuse to accept the reasoning provided.
The rainwater from the whole Taman flows into the River Tebrau but before that, the rainwater will flow through a whole network of drains and canals.
There are also monsoon ponds to collect sudden rush of rainwater due to sudden heavy downpour and there is a large one near the Setia's Sky Oasis.
Flood will occur when one or all of them happen -
Continuous heavy downpour
The network of drains and canals are clogged with rubbish.
The monsoon pond is too small to take in the sudden heavy downpour
The River Tebrau is heavily polluted and silted that slow down the discharge from the drains.
You keep accusing that the developer caused the flood but unable to say HOW!
Please explain what the developer did exactly that caused the flood (you need to answer this one!).
The Municipal Council is the local authority that manage the well being of the city and it is their responsibility to upkeep it in the best form.
When they discover that anyone, be it a private citizen or businesses, that had caused damage to public property, they have to take immediate action.
Like you have been saying, the authorities had been "taking to the developer", it shouldn't be the case.
They should take swift action to penalized the culprit, issue stop work, fine them heavily or sue them and make them do the immediate rectification works.
They have the authority to ORDER AND INSTRUCT and not to "talk and discuss" and produce no result!
Also, research on flood mitigation and work required for improvement, rivers and canals clean-up work is purely the Municipal's responsibility.
A few years back, it was been already established that flood mitigation efforts involving Sg Tebrau and Sg Plentong are expected to cost about RM50m.
But till now, nothing much had been done perhaps because the funding is unavailable.
And only now then the canal improvement in JB Central is being slowly carried out after much delay.
If this basic but important work is being shelved, then just expect more flood in time to come.
Each one here in this forum is entitled to his opinion. I can also say that you are unbelievable for supporting an errant developer no matter all the facts that have been explained here. If you insist the developer is innocent and have no responsibilities in this disaster, so be it. What you are saying is the Authorities are to be blamed for being too lenient. So, you agree that the main culprit is the developer? Is just that the enforcement is weak right? When a man rob someone, who you blame most... the robber or policeman who did not do his patrol? Both are wrong right? I hope you can look back at the earlier thread for answer at how the developer cause this disaster. I cannot be repeating and repeating the same facts all over again. The good part here is now, at least you can discuss this matter in a more rational and polite way. Unlike before, when you start calling names and resort to personal attack whenever there are disagreement. Lets respect each other view and let other readers to make their judgement.
I had always maintained that if there are any malpractices, negligence or poor site management etc by the developers, they should be fined, penalized, issued stop work or even sued in court!
But this was never done, meaning what?
Corruption, political connection, leniency or all of them OR simply there were no evidence of negligence or malpractice?
Your pea-brain "good friend" insisted his entitlement of his opinion that the developer was at fault and he is definitely opinionated, no less.
Everyone should know that an accusation is never about opinion but based on FACTS!
If all you have are corrupted, lazy and stupid cops, then just too bad and even worse when the robbers are also very good friends with the cops who would even give them tipoffs .
While the robbers are still guilty but are free and enjoying life, blame the cops that allow it to happen!
I am not suggesting anything, treat this as an anecdote because you are very famous for misconstruing.
Yup, the robbers are still guilty but you still can't identify them because they were wearing ski mask and long sleeved jackets and could even be the cops themselves in disguise.
So, still blame the cops for being corrupted, lazy and stupid.
For this case, the robbers have been already been identified. Anyway, is normal that some will still blame the cops.
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BINGO!!
Then what is the cops waiting for you dumbo!
The robbers are still at large and still robbing BECAUSE the cops were too lazy or corrupted to do anything!!!!!
一场豪雨后，新山发生严重水灾，交通出现大阻塞，甚至影响关卡及新柔长堤的情况，导致万人遭波及！
根据报道，倾盆大雨从昨午4时许开始，一直到5时许，短短逾1小时大雨，已造成新山东北不少地区淹水，包括班兰、茂奥士汀花园、实达英达花园、柔佛再也花园及地不佬2工业区等。
据悉，地不佬大道靠近杨协成厂从新山往柔佛再也路段，一度因水淹超过2尺而无法通行，导致交通陷入瘫痪。另外，班兰路段也因淹水无法通车，导致东疏大道从大丰花园路段出口处开始，往南北大道士姑来方向也出现严重的交通堵塞。
On that day, not only Setia Indah specific areas are affected, mount Austin, bdo, JJ, tebrau industrial areas and Pandan are also flooded for some area. It is just that Setia Indah that specific zones are more serious that attract more attention. But it is obvious that the whole tebrau area were heavily affected for traffic jam and congestion. It showed that it is not an isolated problem that only Setia Indah residents are the affected one, but it is whole tebrau, Pandan area problem. It is chain effect after all. But I am sure, the confidence or potential worries arrise when they consider tebrau or Pandan area properties now.
EDL, NS highway, towards Setia tropika direction and Jalan Tebrau are all affected.
根据报道，倾盆大雨从昨午4时许开始，一直到5时许，短短逾1小时大雨，已造成新山东北不少地区淹水，包括班兰、茂奥士汀花园、实达英达花园、柔佛再也花园及地不佬2工业区等。
据悉，地不佬大道靠近杨协成厂从新山往柔佛再也路段，一度因水淹超过2尺而无法通行，导致交通陷入瘫痪。另外，班兰路段也因淹水无法通车，导致东疏大道从大丰花园路段出口处开始，往南北大道士姑来方向也出现严重的交通堵塞。
On that day, not only Setia Indah specific areas are affected, mount Austin, bdo, JJ, tebrau industrial areas and Pandan are also flooded for some area. It is just that Setia Indah that specific zones are more serious that attract more attention. But it is obvious that the whole tebrau area were heavily affected for traffic jam and congestion. It showed that it is not an isolated problem that only Setia Indah residents are the affected one, but it is whole tebrau, Pandan area problem. It is chain effect after all. But I am sure, the confidence or potential worries arrise when they consider tebrau or Pandan area properties now.
EDL, NS highway, towards Setia tropika direction and Jalan Tebrau are all affected.
The expansion of roads do help to smoothen the jam around Pandan area however, it actually lengthen the jam queue at the tamans area such as mount Austin, JJ, Taman Gaya, cermerlang as well as the traffic within tamans itself. Since now traffic flow in faster than before to those tamans roads that are already congested.
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