Depends if your healthcare system is overwhelmed. If it is 3 to 5%.
If not 0.5%
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Coronavirus concerns way overblown
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So wat so big deal about 3 to 5 percent fatality?
3-5% of 1 million people is how many?
Anyway maybe you have no loved ones and you can't be bothered if you die or other people die. But not everyone shares the same sentiments. Yes the risk of dying when driving on the roads can be high too. But you don't get 3-5% of the population dying at the SAME TIME.
There will be people with differing views. maybe you hate people and want lots of people to die. You have the right to think what you think too.
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KNN correct lo KNN your so called old fart to other people could be their respectable lovely cute parents masters sifu old friend etc that they wouldn't want them to die of a stoopid virus KNN
There will be idiots out there. Who dont give a shit.
But I am heartened that the majority do care and hope less lives are lost than more.
it could very well be that in the end it made no difference at all.
But it would be ridiculous to suggest doing nothing and let people die your business attitude prevail.
We try our best. If we fail so be it.
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I was just thinking, as a percentage of total population, sinkieland's infected cases must surely be right up there. Found this website. The number of cases in each country assuming 1mil population. Sinkieland is the 20th highest. Not good.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
| Country, Other | Total Cases | New Cases | Total Deaths | New Deaths | Total Recovered | Active Cases | Serious, Critical | Tot Cases/ 1M pop |
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| Italy | 27,980 | +3,233 | 2,158 | +349 | 2,749 | 23,073 | 1,851 | 462.8 |
| Switzerland | 2,353 | +136 | 19 | +5 | 4 | 2,330 | 271.9 | |
| Norway | 1,334 | +78 | 3 | 1 | 1,330 | 27 | 246.1 | |
| Spain | 9,682 | +1,694 | 342 | +48 | 530 | 8,810 | 272 | 207.1 |
| Iran | 14,991 | +1,053 | 853 | +129 | 4,590 | 9,548 | 178.5 | |
| S. Korea | 8,236 | +74 | 75 | 1,137 | 7,024 | 59 | 160.6 | |
| Denmark | 914 | +50 | 4 | +2 | 1 | 909 | 10 | 157.8 |
| Estonia | 205 | +34 | 1 | 204 | 154.5 | |||
| Qatar | 439 | +38 | 4 | 435 | 152.4 | |||
| Bahrain | 227 | +13 | 1 | +1 | 81 | 145 | 1 | 133.4 |
| Slovenia | 253 | +34 | 1 | 252 | 3 | 121.7 | ||
| Austria | 1,018 | +158 | 3 | +2 | 8 | 1,007 | 12 | 113.0 |
| Sweden | 1,119 | +79 | 7 | +4 | 1 | 1,111 | 2 | 110.8 |
| France | 6,633 | +1,210 | 148 | +21 | 12 | 6,473 | 400 | 101.6 |
| Belgium | 1,058 | +172 | 10 | +6 | 1 | 1,047 | 33 | 91.3 |
| Germany | 7,241 | +1,428 | 15 | +2 | 65 | 7,161 | 2 | 86.4 |
| Netherlands | 1,413 | +278 | 24 | +4 | 2 | 1,387 | 45 | 82.5 |
| China | 80,880 | +36 | 3,213 | +14 | 67,819 | 9,848 | 3,226 | 56.2 |
| Finland | 278 | +34 | 10 | 268 | 1 | 50.2 | ||
| Singapore | 243 | +17 | 109 | 134 | 11 | 41.5 | ||
| Cyprus | 46 | +13 | 46 | 1 | 38.1 | |||
| Israel | 298 | +85 | 4 | 294 | 4 | 34.4 | ||
| Ireland | 170 | 2 | 5 | 163 | 6 | 34.4 | ||
| Greece | 352 | +21 | 4 | 8 | 340 | 5 | 33.8 | |
| Portugal | 331 | +86 | 1 | +1 | 3 | 327 | 18 | 32.5 |
| Czechia | 344 | +51 | 3 | 341 | 2 | 32.1 | ||
| Kuwait | 123 | +11 | 9 | 114 | 4 | 28.8 | ||
| UK | 1,543 | +152 | 55 | +20 | 52 | 1,436 | 20 | 22.7 |
| Hong Kong | 155 | +6 | 4 | 81 | 70 | 4 | 20.7 | |
| Latvia | 34 | +4 | 1 | 33 | 18.0 | |||
| Albania | 51 | +9 | 1 | 50 | 2 | 17.7 | ||
| Malaysia | 566 | +138 | 42 | 524 | 9 | 17.5 | ||
| Lebanon | 109 | 3 | 3 | 103 | 3 | 16.0 | ||
| Armenia | 45 | +17 | 1 | 44 | 2 | 15.2 | ||
| Australia | 375 | +75 | 5 | 27 | 343 | 1 | 14.7 | |
| Croatia | 57 | +8 | 3 | 54 | 13.9 | |||
| Slovakia | 72 | +11 | 72 | 13.2 | ||||
| USA | 4,349 | +669 | 77 | +9 | 73 | 4,199 | 12 | 13.1 |
| Panama | 55 | 1 | 54 | 12.7 | ||||
| Canada | 406 | +65 | 4 | +3 | 11 | 391 | 1 | 10.8 |
| UAE | 98 | 23 | 75 | 2 | 9.9 | |||
| North Macedonia | 19 | 1 | 18 | 9.1 | ||||
| Bulgaria | 62 | +11 | 2 | 60 | 8.9 | |||
| Romania | 168 | +29 | 9 | 159 | 2 | 8.7 | ||
| Georgia | 33 | 1 | 32 | 1 | 8.3 | |||
| Chile | 156 | +81 | 156 | 8.2 | ||||
| Palestine | 39 | +1 | 39 | 7.6 | ||||
| Bosnia and Herzegovina | 25 | +1 | 2 | 23 | 7.6 | |||
| Moldova | 29 | +6 | 1 | 28 | 1 | 7.2 | ||
| Japan | 895 | +56 | 27 | +3 | 144 | 724 | 41 | 7.1 |
| Costa Rica | 35 | 35 | 3 | 6.9 | ||||
| Serbia | 57 | +9 | 1 | 56 | 2 | 6.5 | ||
| Lithuania | 17 | +3 | 1 | 16 | 6.2 | |||
| Jamaica | 15 | +5 | 2 | 13 | 5.1 | |||
| Poland | 177 | +52 | 4 | +1 | 173 | 3 | 4.7 | |
| Oman | 22 | 9 | 13 | 4.3 | ||||
| Hungary | 39 | +7 | 1 | 2 | 36 | 4.0 | ||
| Saudi Arabia | 133 | +15 | 6 | 127 | 3.8 | |||
| Belarus | 36 | +9 | 3 | 33 | 3.8 | |||
| Iraq | 133 | +9 | 10 | 32 | 91 | 3.3 | ||
| Ecuador | 58 | +21 | 2 | 56 | 2 | 3.3 | ||
| Trinidad and Tobago | 4 | +2 | 4 | 2.9 | ||||
| Taiwan | 67 | +8 | 1 | 20 | 46 | 2.8 | ||
| Jordan | 29 | +17 | 1 | 28 | 2.8 | |||
| Peru | 86 | +15 | 1 | 85 | 8 | 2.6 | ||
| Azerbaijan | 25 | +2 | 1 | 6 | 18 | 2.5 | ||
| Uruguay | 8 | +2 | 8 | 2.3 | ||||
| Thailand | 147 | +33 | 1 | 35 | 111 | 1 | 2.1 | |
| Dominican Republic | 21 | +10 | 21 | 1.9 | ||||
| Tunisia | 20 | 20 | 2 | 1.7 | ||||
| New Zealand | 8 | 8 | 1.7 | |||||
| Puerto Rico | 5 | 5 | 1.7 | |||||
| Egypt | 150 | +24 | 2 | 32 | 116 | 1.5 | ||
| Algeria | 60 | +6 | 4 | 10 | 46 | 1.4 | ||
| Senegal | 24 | 2 | 22 | 1.4 | ||||
| Philippines | 142 | +2 | 12 | 5 | 125 | 1 | 1.3 | |
| Sri Lanka | 28 | +10 | 1 | 27 | 1.3 | |||
| Argentina | 56 | 2 | 3 | 51 | 1 | 1.2 | ||
| Brazil | 234 | +34 | 2 | 232 | 2 | 1.1 | ||
| South Africa | 64 | +3 | 64 | 1.1 | ||||
| Colombia | 54 | +20 | 1 | 53 | 1.1 | |||
| Paraguay | 8 | 8 | 1 | 1.1 | ||||
| Bolivia | 11 | +1 | 11 | 0.9 | ||||
| Eswatini | 1 | 1 | 0.9 | |||||
| Pakistan | 184 | +131 | 1 | +1 | 2 | 181 | 0.8 | |
| Morocco | 29 | +1 | 1 | 1 | 27 | 1 | 0.8 | |
| Namibia | 2 | 2 | 0.8 | |||||
| Burkina Faso | 15 | +12 | 15 | 0.7 | ||||
| Cambodia | 12 | 1 | 11 | 0.7 | ||||
| Equatorial Guinea | 1 | 1 | 0.7 | |||||
| Russia | 93 | +30 | 8 | 85 | 0.6 | |||
| Vietnam | 61 | +4 | 16 | 45 | 0.6 | |||
| Venezuela | 17 | 17 | 0.6 | |||||
| Honduras | 6 | +3 | 6 | 0.6 | ||||
| Indonesia | 134 | +17 | 5 | 8 | 121 | 0.5 | ||
| Afghanistan | 21 | +5 | 1 | 20 | 0.5 | |||
| Kazakhstan | 10 | +1 | 10 | 0.5 | ||||
| Mexico | 53 | +10 | 4 | 49 | 1 | 0.4 | ||
| Guatemala | 8 | +7 | 1 | 7 | 0.4 | |||
| Rwanda | 5 | 5 | 0.4 | |||||
| Cuba | 4 | 4 | 0.4 | |||||
| Gabon | 1 | 1 | 0.4 | |||||
| Mongolia | 1 | 1 | 0.3 | |||||
| Turkey | 18 | 18 | 0.2 | |||||
| Uzbekistan | 8 | +4 | 8 | 0.2 | ||||
| Ukraine | 7 | +4 | 1 | 6 | 0.2 | |||
| Ghana | 6 | 6 | 0.2 | |||||
| Cameroon | 4 | 4 | 0.2 | |||||
| Ivory Coast | 4 | 4 | 0.2 | |||||
| CAR | 1 | 1 | 0.2 | |||||
| Congo | 1 | 1 | 0.2 | |||||
| Liberia | 1 | +1 | 1 | 0.2 | ||||
| Mauritania | 1 | 1 | 0.2 | |||||
| India | 129 | +15 | 2 | 13 | 114 | 0.1 | ||
| Kenya | 3 | 3 | 0.1 | |||||
| Benin | 1 | +1 | 1 | 0.1 | ||||
| Guinea | 1 | 1 | 0.1 | |||||
| Somalia | 1 | +1 | 1 | 0.1 | ||||
| Togo | 1 | 1 | 0.1 | |||||
| Diamond Princess | 696 | 7 | 456 | 233 | 15 | |||
| Iceland | 198 | +18 | 198 | 1 | ||||
| San Marino | 109 | 7 | 4 | 98 | 11 | |||
| Luxembourg | 81 | +4 | 1 | 80 | 10 | |||
| Brunei | 54 | +4 | 54 | 1 | ||||
| Malta | 30 | +9 | 2 | 28 | ||||
| Faeroe Islands | 18 | +7 | 18 | |||||
| Martinique | 15 | +5 | 15 | |||||
| Andorra | 14 | +9 | 14 | |||||
| Maldives | 13 | 13 | ||||||
| Macao | 11 | 10 | 1 | |||||
| French Guiana | 11 | +4 | 11 | |||||
| Réunion | 9 | +2 | 9 | |||||
| Bangladesh | 8 | +3 | 3 | 5 | ||||
| Guyana | 7 | +3 | 1 | 6 | ||||
| Liechtenstein | 7 | 7 | ||||||
| Monaco | 6 | +4 | 6 | |||||
| Channel Islands | 6 | +3 | 6 | |||||
| Guadeloupe | 6 | +1 | 6 | |||||
| Ethiopia | 5 | +1 | 5 | |||||
| French Polynesia | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| Gibraltar | 3 | +2 | 1 | 2 | ||||
| Guam | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| St. Barth | 3 | +2 | 3 | |||||
| Seychelles | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| Nigeria | 2 | 1 | 1 | |||||
| Aruba | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Curaçao | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| DRC | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Saint Lucia | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Saint Martin | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Cayman Islands | 1 | 1 | +1 | 0 | ||||
| Sudan | 1 | 1 | 0 | |||||
| Nepal | 1 | 1 | 0 | |||||
| Antigua and Barbuda | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Bahamas | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Bhutan | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Greenland | 1 | +1 | 1 | |||||
| Vatican City | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Mayotte | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| St. Vincent Grenadines | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Suriname | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Tanzania | 1 | +1 | 1 | |||||
| U.S. Virgin Islands | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Total: | 181,664 | 12,104 | 7,131 | 626 | 78,339 | 96,194 | 6,162 | 23.3 |
Highlighted in green
= all cases have recovered from the infection
Highlighted in grey
= all cases have had an outcome (there are no active cases)
The "New" columns for China display the previous day changes (as China reports after the day is over). For all other countries, the "New" columns display the changes for the current day while still in progress.
Take care bro!
Do not trust governments to make the right decisions for you as an individual. I learned that during SARS 2003.
You have to do what is right for yourself. If the government makes the right decisions good. But do not rely on them. Governments make decisions with many other factors in mind. eg resources available. Economy. Sacrifice the few for the many?
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You take care too. Yes, I try to make the best decisions in my personal capacity, for my family. Just hope the government starts making the right decisions for the country.
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It's actually pretty simple. The choice is binary.
a. If you're terrified of dying. Stay home and make sure your whole family does so too. If any family members venture out don't let them back in.
b. If you're not worried carry on life as usual.
You don't need governments to get involved they only make matters worse.
a. If you're terrified of dying. Stay home and make sure your whole family does so too. If any family members venture out don't let them back in.
b. If you're not worried carry on life as usual.
You don't need governments to get involved they only make matters worse.
For the safety of the people.
We were worried here in Alberta over the weekend that the UCP government would refuse to close the schools. All because of economic reasons.
But in the end they closed the schools. I had tears.
In a way I am getting a bit of PTSD from experience with SARS. Back then my kids were 2 and 1 years old. They are now 19 and 18. And we have a 12 year old and another 2 year old.
But I remember back then thinking I may never know if this is the last day I will see any of them again. Chances are low. But you never know. Covid19 might change.
One wonders if the covid19 is behaving differently in Europe now compared to Wuhan?
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People are such wussies nowadays. In the old days there was pride in battling on no matter what.
Nowadays the slightest threat and everyone runs for cover cowering in fear. Those that suggest otherwise are vilified instead.
Nowadays the slightest threat and everyone runs for cover cowering in fear. Those that suggest otherwise are vilified instead.
It is not a all or nothing approach.
Eventually we will all have to be exposed to Covid19. However if we slow how fast each of us is exposed it gives each person who gets very sick a better chance to fight and win against the illness.
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Yes, you definitely had good reasons to be very concerned. You experienced SARS up close and personal.
I read somewhere that the strain of virus in Italy is not the same as the one in Wuhan.
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The way things are going with soul and economy destroying measures it will be a hollow victory because the country will literally be in ashes. Lock down a whole country and it is no longer just the airline or tourist industry that is hit badly. You're talking every single sector. Mortgages will end up unpaid, nobody will be able to go to the doctor for illnesses that actually are fatal because they have no money and their insurance has lapsed. The flow on effects are devastating far worse than a virus that is mild in more than 80% of the population.
We will pick up the pieces after the battle is done. Just hopefully not too many bodies. Pyrrhic victory though it may be.
Even in a battle, no wise general will say ok lets all just go there and DIE unless we have no other choice.
Money can be earned back. Buildings and services can be built up again.
Lives lost is forever.
The monetary system could collapse. Yes. Which is why I say WATER, FOOD, FUEL, RAW MATERIALS. If you have that you can rebuild. It may take longer. But you can.
Singapore will be finished.
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Battles have been fought and won with a 50% casualty rate. If a general went into battle knowing that he'd lose less than 2% of his division and 80% would be fine it would be almost a walkover.
The coronavirus is mild in more than 80% of those infected and we are going to destroy the lives of almost everyone for something so minor?
The economic impact may not be as dire as you think lah.
last time the great financial crisis sub prime mortgage explode also people say gone case. People were selling USD say USD will be worthless.
In the end?
Once it blows over - or if we have the vaccine, economy will recover.
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It is already affecting my photography community. Those that need assignments in order to pay the rent and feed their families are in despair. Weddings have been cancelled and so have all major events. Portraits shoots have been cancelled too along with fashion shoots. Even those that do food photography have had all their assignments cancelled.
If schools are closed down the effects will be adversely felt even by those who do have some work because those that they hire have warned their bosses that if their kid is home they won't be able to work.
All this is happening in a relatively small fraternity. In larger organisations the effect could be just as devastating perhaps even more so.
So I am witnessing first hand how a gross over reaction to a relatively minor virus is putting the lives of real people in turmoil.
There are posts all over the forum that says "the PAP" only cares about the economy and you die your business. They fail to realise that "the economy" is not some faceless entity it is THEIR LIVES and their finances that are at stake.
If the shut down is short and sharp then I will accept it as a necessary step. If it breaks the cycle of infection that would be great. However if the infection carries on spreading nobody and no country can afford to continue the current steps without major consequences that will be far more serious and far reaching than the virus itself.
I say give it two weeks. If all the steps currently being taken don't work then it is time to open the flood gates and let nature do its job as it always does in the end.
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Go on to the net and you'll now find THOUSANDS of coronavirus sites each claiming to be the most up to date.
Now ask yourself why all this info is made available to the general public. It is absolutely pointless. All it does is place people in a downward spiral of negative thought. This is what happens when humans are constantly bombarded with negative news streams.
The media loves doing this because it gives them viewership. For example if there is a month where there are two air crashes and a few hundred people have died suddenly there will be article after article of poor aircraft design, the dangers of relying on auto pilots, stories of pilots flying under the influence, landing in the wrong airport, falling asleep in the cockpit. It will carry on ad nauseam till the stats show that the stories are no longer attracting that much viewership so they'll then move on to look for some other negative news items that they can milk for all their worth.
At the height of this negative news cycle the fear of flying is heightened, anxiety levels amongst those that have to travel will rack up a notch or two and some will even cancel their trips.
In the meantime they drive around as they have always done not knowing that their risk of dying while driving to an airport is far higher than dying from the plane journey. This is how the illogical human mind works for those that don't bother to think things through.
In times of crisis the media should be actually publishing good news stories that cheers people up. It should interview those who tested positive and have come through with zero consequences. Each day should bring new stories about those who have made a full recovery including old farts in their 70s and 80s who caught the virus and are now back to playing tennis or training for a marathon. This is how you should tackle adversity ie by featuring the success stories of those who have overcome it.
But of course in this day and age it will never happen. The social media brigade would rip into positivity and accuse the author of irresponsible reporting, trivialising the deaths of those that succumbed and showing zero respect to those who have lost loved ones etc etc etc.
We live in a sick world where negativity is the order of the day and those who defy the narrative get crucified.
And this forum is a microcosm of what I have described above ie page after page of dire warnings and predictions that the end of the world is at hand. When I try to cheer everyone up by telling them it is no big deal and to enjoy life as usual I get labelled as an idiot who is out of touch who does not give a shit about the lives of others when in fact the opposite is true. I care a lot and that is why I am suggesting a course of action that will do the least amount of harm to the vast majority out there.
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