Chee, SDP and the letters!

[aurvandil]

Bro, have to disagree. Most Singaporeans including the young know that this govt has a dark history. The older wants know much in detail. The young are more upset with the controls that do no sync with wider world.

As I said before, this is his gambit. Notwithstanding the postings of the local PAP IB chapter in SBF, I think the PAP will decline the gambit and ignore the letter. i do not believe that the PAP has the stomach for bringing the dark history out for a national debate.

 

[scroobal]

Ok, see your point. I think he lost his round as well.

As I said before, this is his gambit. Notwithstanding the postings of the local PAP IB chapter in SBF, I think the PAP will decline the gambit and ignore the letter. i do not believe that the PAP has the stomach for bringing the dark history out for a national debate.

 

[phouse3]

I wonder why Sinkies with low mentality like to make so much noise. They are only insulting their own intelligence.

LHL wrote a similar but short letter to the Jeya brothers. GCT just wrote one to Lee, albeit longer.

Letters can be cryptic, oblique, sarcastic, allegoric, metaphoric, poetic, figurative, tongue-in-check, crooked, hyperbolic, parodic, satirical, etc.

Chee's letter was too long, maudlin and overdosed. He should have guessed the masturbators will pounce on it and the descendants of coolies will dislike it.

 

[Kid278]

Who care if lky arrested his opponent at 4.30 in the morning, he can have all of them kill if he want, sinkies will still grateful to lky for providing a secure and business friendly plc that bring us prosperity

Do not generalized. Assumption, presumption is the lowest form of knowledge, intelligence, remember that.

Not all sinkies are grateful of what the old fart has done regardless how secure and prosperous the little island may be.

You dont care how the old fart fix his opponents does not necessary meant others do not care. There is a great deal of people that disagree with his tyranny and unscrupulous means and wants him out or even to die.

 

[Kid278]

You mean you don't understand what I say just now?

Goh Meng Seng

It's easy for armchair critics to condemn or endorse but for you ethically it wont do oppositions any good. Silence is golden, you have made your choice.

 

[scroobal]

Just because old man and the PAP cadres drop their pants on the days of full moon, I am sure Chee and anyone else should not do the same. You guys should not learn anything or emulate the tyrant.

Suggesting cryptology is truly a stretch of the imagination.

I wonder why Sinkies with low mentality like to make so much noise. They are only insulting their own intelligence.

LHL wrote a similar but short letter to the Jeya brothers. GCT just wrote one to Lee, albeit longer.

Letters can be cryptic, oblique, sarcastic, allegoric, metaphoric, poetic, figurative, tongue-in-check, crooked, hyperbolic, parodic, satirical, etc.

Chee's letter was too long, maudlin and overdosed. He should have guessed the masturbators will pounce on it and the descendants of coolies will dislike it.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Politically or non politically,
Whatever it is, there is a time for people to grieve and there is a time for people to stamp their political points. And it is definitely a wrong time to raise all these issues on the pretext of a condolence letter.

CSJ already sent 1st one earlier which had no ill-intent. But the 2nd one is a bit too much.

I don't think you will do the same like he did. It's bad timing. You will choose to raise your argument on another time, another day, another subject. Whether we are politicians or not politicians. If politics is all about scoring points, then I would say CSJ lost most of his points in that letter.

Has political warfare made politicians become less gracious to each other? Maybe to CSJ, he could have said, "I would have written much worst than this if not for pulling my punches" but the whole thing is to not have it started at all.

Dear Silver fox,

Yes, I won't raise these points at this moment whether it is based on political or non-political considerations. This is basically I am not the one who are victimized by the PAP or the Lees.

But my contention is that even though personally I do not feel it is good timing to raise such points, but I could understand and empathize with those who have been on the receiving ends of the PAP or the Lees harsh treatments in the past. I will not fault them of doing such things.

I think Dr. Chee is not writing a letter of condolence here but rather an open letter to LKY. SDP was the first party to send condolences to the Lee family on the demise of Mrs. LKY. I don't think this second is meant to be another letter of condolence.

The PAP IB asked me whether I "endorse" CSJ letter. It is a strange question to me. Do I need to endorse or condemn the letter at all? Does Dr. Chee need my endorsement? I am not even the one mentioned in the letter!

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Perspective]

Goodness. I'm surprised people compare CSJ's letters with that of GCT and LHL letters to JBJ/KJ and say it's the same. If you have some time, go read all the letters again, which can be found using Google. While you're reading, please pay attention to:

1) Length of letter

2) Amount of "bad" over amount of "good"

3) Which came first and which was used to end the letters - "bad" or "good"

4) Whether the "bad" was an expression of disagreement or expression of castigation

5) Difference between subtleness and open

The two letters of GCT and LHL extolled themselves as magnanimous people towards JBJ's children more than puncturing knives on JBJ. CSJ's letter is a lot of difference. Don't just selectively form the impression you have. Cass888 and others are right. The MSM is saving the SDP this once. By ignoring them.

 

[silverfox@]

I think Dr. Chee is not writing a letter of condolence here but rather an open letter to LKY. SDP was the first party to send condolences to the Lee family on the demise of Mrs. LKY. I don't think this second is meant to be another letter of condolence.

Goh Meng Seng

Excerpts of his condolence letter
2nd last paragraph
http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/4213-chee-soon-juan-writes-to-lee-kuan-yew

"I extend to you my deepest sympathies on the demise of Mdm Kwa. I want to express my condolence in the sincerest manner I know how. "

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[ChaoPappyPoodle]

KGC was a corrupt person always looking for state handouts and ways to influence others to enrich herself. Any honest person wanting to write an eulogy for her or a condolence letter to her family would have been put in a losing position.

The main difference between CJS's letter and LHL was that CSJ didn't take a cheap shot at the departed, KGC. This is something that most have failed to see. For that CSJ has to be given credit.

 

[methink]

Who care if lky arrested his opponent at 4.30 in the morning, he can have all of them kill if he want, sinkies will still grateful to lky for providing a secure and business friendly plc that bring us prosperity

The means justifying the end?

You may not care as you are probably of the same bullying stock and shameless kind as LKY. Try doing this today... and watch the hue and cry... by enlightened and no longer cowed sinkies!

 

[phouse3]

Just because old man and the PAP cadres drop their pants on the days of full moon, I am sure Chee and anyone else should not do the same. You guys should not learn anything or emulate the tyrant.

Suggesting cryptology is truly a stretch of the imagination.

Who is emulating the tyrant when he was the party in grief?
Why keep addressing me as "you guys"?
Why don't you accuse me of suggesting "poetic" or "tongue-in-cheek" instead?

You see, your dishonest personality always manifest itself. You like to pretend to have misunderstood and rubbish other people's writing. This cheap trick has been exposed by so many forumers and yet you still use it. You are truly thick-skinned.

I am saying this kind of letters are common. Chee's letter was anything but cryptic. I even thought it was too long, maudlin and overdosed.

The educated people have very different ideas on grief and grieving. Only Sinkies belonging to the lower strata of society would still apply Cheena traditions, Ah Beng values and Sam Seng sub-culture.

Scoring brownie points at funerals and sending funeral blankets are quite distasteful.

I have come across an obituary requesting people not to send wreaths/ blankets and all pek kim would be donated to SPCA.

 

[aurvandil]

The MSM is saving the SDP this once. By ignoring them.

The PAP is crossing fingers and praying hard that the letter doesn't start a national debate on the dark history of the PAP.

 

[scroobal]

You said that they did it to JBJ and that it involved cryptography.Nothing cryptic, just poor political judgement and another one in a series of tactical blunders.

Who is emulating the tyrant when he was the party in grief?
Why keep addressing me as "you guys"?
Why don't you accuse me of suggesting "poetic" or "tongue-in-cheek" instead?

You see, your dishonest personality always manifest itself. You like to pretend to have misunderstood and rubbish other people's writing. This cheap trick has been exposed by so many forumers and yet you still use it. You are truly thick-skinned.

I am saying this kind of letters are common. Chee's letter was anything but cryptic. I even thought it was too long, maudlin and overdosed.

The educated people have very different ideas on grief and grieving. Only Sinkies belonging to the lower strata of society would still apply Cheena traditions, Ah Beng values and Sam Seng sub-culture.

Scoring brownie points at funerals and sending funeral blankets are quite distasteful.

I have come across an obituary requesting people not to send wreaths/ blankets and all pek kim would be donated to SPCA.

 

[scroobal]

There is nothing in the letter that is new. You obviously must think that you and few are aware of the PAP's dark history. Who is going to deny the contents of the letter. The PAP has always used the ISA and long term detentions as a badge of honour. The same with lawsuits. They were suing international press as well. The PAP is renown the world over for it.

Which part of the letter do you think is a revelation and might start a national debate.

The debate if any is how Chee go it wrong again. Note phouse3 comments above. They have realised that they have blundered but they would not admit it and end up making personal attacks and throwing some silly reason that the letter is tongue in cheek or cryptic.

The PAP is crossing fingers and praying hard that the letter doesn't start a national debate on the dark history of the PAP.

 

[phouse3]

You said that they did it to JBJ and that it involved cryptography.Nothing cryptic, just poor political judgement and another one in a series of tactical blunders.

You are a truly a dishonest guy. Amazing.

 

[aurvandil]

The debate if any is how Chee go it wrong again. Note phouse3 comments above. They have realised that they have blundered but they would not admit it and end up making personal attacks and throwing some silly reason that the letter is tongue in cheek or cryptic.

The SDP play is correct if they want to make political repression a centerpiece of their election campaign. I think that instead of letting this die down, SDP will up the stakes and make a Youtube out this letter. The Youtbue would feature the live of luxury, comfort and priviledge the Lee's enjoyed and contrast this against the suffering of their political opponents. Add in some nice mood music and it will be one very powerful video.

 

[cass888]

The SDP play is correct if they want to make political repression a centerpiece of their election campaign. I think that instead of letting this die down, SDP will up the stakes and make a Youtube out this letter. The Youtbue would feature the live of luxury, comfort and priviledge the Lee's enjoyed and contrast this against the suffering of their political opponents. Add in some nice mood music and it will be one very powerful video.

I hope they do. The opposition is going to be massacred.

Thank you once again Dr Chee.

 

[phouse3]

The debate if any is how Chee go it wrong again. Note phouse3 comments above. They have realised that they have blundered but they would not admit it and end up making personal attacks and throwing some silly reason that the letter is tongue in cheek or cryptic.

Wow. Again trying to deceive the readers I am from SDP, realising the letter was too direct, a blunder and trying to suggest it is a tongue-in-cheek or cryptic.

This thread is not that long. Anyone can just glance up a few posts. You are definitely a confidence trickster.

First, you put words in my mouth by saying it is cryptic when I clearly think otherwise.

Then I ask why don't you accuse me of suggesting something ridiculous like it is "tongue-in-cheek" or "poetic".

On another post, you accused me of suggesting the letter to JBJ was cryptic.

Now, you claimed I am suggesting Chee's letter is tongue-in-cheek.

Conman!

 

[Psalm23]

After reading through the threads and many of you have brought up the letters by LOL to JBJ, letter from GCT to LKY, and so on.

However, I don't seem to have read of any writer who has made any comment on the eulogy delivered by LKY during the funeral service of the late Dr. Goh Keng Swee. Sadly, a daughter of the former Malaysian Finance Minister, Tan Siew Sin had to come and rebuke part of LKY's eulogy about her father. The late Tan Siew Sin already dead for more than 20 years, and I believe their family members are still griefing on his death, why they be left to grief in peace?

I can fully agree - we need to respect the dead and his/her griefing family. But respect must be both ways whether to the dead or to the living. But still hubbing on a person who is already dead over 20 years' ago, I think this is not appropriate - more so when it's a eulogy which is 'to praise and to say good thing about someone who is dead'.

As to Dr. Chee's letter, I really take it as an appeal to the government to look at our legislation on detention without trial rather than a 'sincere' sympathy letter. Again, let's be frank - they are all politicians and if they can take 'advantage' of situation they will do it, after all this is what politics is all about. There are no exception - Amercian politicians do it, Chinese politicians do it, Indian politicians do it, British politicians do it....everyone does it!

But one thing we have to question ourselves - are there any false facts in Dr. Chee's letter. Another point is that - I think many (or even most Singaporeans) do not know who those people mentioned by Dr. Chee ... people like Lim Chin Siong, Chia Thye Poh, etc. I believe all our school history books of Singapore have not mentioned much about them - my guess only. So, it's a good thing that this can create some kind of awareness for Singaporeans about Singapore politics and that when you are involved in politics you must be prepared to face suffering and at the end you have to ask yourself, is the sacrifice and risk worth it. I believe for people like Lim Chin Siong and Chia Thye Poh, they must be thinking very hard on this. Like Chia Thye Poh who spent 22 years in prison plus 9 years of 'house-arrest' and at the end none of us know exactly what crime he had committed. For all we know, for jail sentence of this magnitude one has to be serial cheater, serial rapist or even serial killer (and let's assume that he could get away from capital punishment). Did the late Chia Poh Thye did one of these? Was he crime so atrocious that he deserved this jail sentence? I don't think an average person like you and me know the answer. Only the government and we hope one day - soon - they can tell us.