Chee, SDP and the letters!

[scroobal]

Well argued. This fixation has never left him. Clearly not a team player, a leader and certainly not a visionary. Old man's method was questionable and many were outright repressive yet the results were positive in the main.

This clown has no clue what the equation is and what to target. Its explains why adults do not want join the party except for couple of young impressionable chaps with no understanding of politics. The guy attending the yellow shirt political seminar was a dead giveaway that they don't have clue.

once again i think Dr Chee & SDP appear to be missing the forrest for the trees...i.e. extreme fixation over an octogenarian who has himself asked "when the last leaf shall fall"...

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[scroobal]

Absolutely agree. I too thought the same and now deeply disappointed.

Previously they exist to make up the numbers. However seeing some of their recent videos, I thought CSJ actually became more sane and talk more sensibly. I have this impression that SDP has changed for the better.

Then this letter came, bring all the work he has done down to the longkangs again.

 

[kingrant]

Obviously the way Chee and Lee look at each other, it has always been with extreme contempt and extraordinary hatred. things like healthy gentlemanly differences of views, magnamiity in victory/grace in defeat, etc never had a chance.

It becomes instinctive therefore to hit each other as hard as each could, with each episode building up in vehemence and poison, and to make sure only the blind and toothless are left standing when the dust settles.

One is a thug to begin with, but one who has managed to consolidate all his power and arsenal to render anybody impotent if not dead; the other, is a bitter wounded animal pushed to a corner, not dying yet not living either - the perfect situation the thug has designed for him.

One has the cannons on his side; the other mere claws. It must be superhumanly hard for Chee to hold back his instincts and resist this chance to throw m&d at the funeral. As they say, the urge has bypassed the cortex and went straight to the amygdala.

 

[lockeliberal]

Porf


I am absolutely disgusted by both letters thus far sent by the SDP and the Young Democrats and now See Lan's gf. In so much as I am sickened by some of the fawning ass licking comments made by people. aka " Heaven would on Earth ' Kwa, I nevertheless retain enough semblance of human decency and kindness to let the dead stay dead and to allow the living room and respite to grieve and mourn.

I am no fan of LKY, I respect him for what he has done in the past but I believe that he should have been put out to garden in the Istana many ions ago, his enduring presence is unhealthy for Singapore , the next generation and its future.

Similarly in so much as I do not really care for the past and what LKY has done I being a selfish voter and citizen only cares about what the PAP can do or deliver for me in the future. I likewise do not give a rats ass what LKY has done to Dr Chee his family his pet dog and any other no of oppositions who have banged heads with him and lost, I only care about what the opposition can do for me today and tomorrow here in Holland Bukit Panjang.

The Opposition will have my vote or for that matter any donkey under any banner that stands against the PAP such is my dislike and distaste for them It does not however change my disgust at your absolute lack of human decency as you gloat at the pain of a man who dearly loved his wife and as you revel, and rejoice in his suffering.

MM may have blood on his hands, He may have wronged many but I as an individual nevertheless would state , let history write his epitah , let history write its judgement but if a man grieves for the women he loves, let the man and the family grieve in peace.



Locke

 

[silverfox@]

Obviously the way Chee and Lee look at each other, it has always been with extreme contempt and extraordinary hatred. things like healthy gentlemanly differences of views, magnamiity in victory/grace in defeat, etc never had a chance.

It is very distasteful to dish all the things your enemy did in a condolence letter and still have the cheek to say " I mean no ill will". Granted that the enemy is no saint, but to stoop to this low level is really uncalled for.

The gist of the letter may be to shame, but the ones who read it will no longer have any respect for the writer.
Chee is a great opportunist but he took his revenge in the wrong way and the wrong time.

 

[kingrant]

Agree with you - it's distasteful. He allowed his impulses to rule his head.

It is very distasteful to dish all the things your enemy did in a condolence letter and still have the cheek to say " I mean no ill will". Granted that the enemy is no saint, but to stoop to this low level is really uncalled for.

The gist of the letter may be to shame, but the ones who read it will no longer have any respect for the writer.
Chee is a great opportunist but he took his revenge in the wrong way and the wrong time.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

not a big fan of James Gomez the politician...however i think Dr Chee wld do well to take a leaf out of James' 'book' i.e. the classy way James deftly dealt wif Harry's relentless public goading of James during the mini dramarama in 06'...it was soo clear Harry wanted James to fall for the tired old defamation trap...but James just let him drone on like a tired old crow...

O It must be superhumanly hard for Chee to hold back his instincts and resist this chance to throw m&d at the funeral. As they say, the urge has bypassed the cortex and went straight to the amygdala.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Fully agree. Once we get Singaporeans interested in the political detentions, we can get more speeches, events etc by ex-political detainees.

Your comprehension skills are pretty weak.

 

[aurvandil]

Very poor judgment. You mean people were not aware that its a repressive regime and that the wife's death is an opportunity to reveal this hidden "secret".

I fully agree that the the letter is inappropriate and cruel.

You are an insider. For you, what CSJ said was not a revelation. If the letter is circulated widely, it will however be a revelation for many that MM Lee ordered the detention/repression of his political opponents. Recall your recent heated argument with those who were saying that Singapore was a "fishing village".

If you are looking at political fallout, it will generate sympathy support for the PAP. At the same time however, it will re-open the issue of political detentions/repression.

CSJ's gambit is that the amount of sympathy support for the PAP will be limited as emotions cool after the funeral.

If the issue of political detentions/repression is sucessfully reopened, it will introduce a new, powerful issue to the current political debate. As you might have noticed, there has been a sharp increase in the number of ex-detaines/exiles who are speaking out. Vincent Cheng spoke at the recent SDP rally. Francis Seow did a Youtube.

Given SDP's positioning and CSJ's own experience, SDP stands to gain the most from this issue.

If you see things in this political light, then you will understand that the letter is simply a first step of a wider strategy against the PAP.

 

[Ramseth]

not a big fan of James Gomez the politician...however i think Dr Chee wld do well to take a leaf out of James' 'book' i.e. the classy way James deftly dealt wif Harry's relentless public goading of James during the mini dramarama in 06'...it was soo clear Harry wanted James to fall for the tired old defamation trap...but James just let him drone on like a tired old crow...

Deftly? Classy? James Gomez? Wake up my friend. The response and defence after the cockup were all orchestrated and enforced by LTK and some others in CEC, to save the overall party campaign screwed by JG.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Arun

Repression ? The collective memory of my parents who lived through the communist insurgency or who were students then knew the communist and their supporters sympathizers were no saints.

Most of us, heck even PAP ministers can see the difference between Vincent Cheng and hard core communist from the sixties. The more you lump cases together , the more you conflate in order to confuse , the more irritated voters get.

I as a voter do not care about LKY's legacy or what he did past tense, I only care for what his successors can do for me in the present. In the same vein I do not care about what LKY did to the communist, operation spectrum, Dr Chee, Dr Chee's dog or his sister. I only care abt what he can deliver for me today and tomorrow.

If he is going to campaign ard the theme of PAP repression etc etc etc , then he has lost the plot just as I was praising the SDP for excellent logistics and media management. Voters are selfish PERIOD.


Locke

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Well argued. This fixation has never left him. Clearly not a team player, a leader and certainly not a visionary. Old man's method was questionable and many were outright repressive yet the results were positive in the main.

This clown has no clue what the equation is and what to target. Its explains why adults do not want join the party except for couple of young impressionable chaps with no understanding of politics. The guy attending the yellow shirt political seminar was a dead giveaway that they don't have clue.

SIOW ah YOU! The old bastard was a crook and a traitor during the Japanese occupation! He ecen said those were the best years of his life! :oIo:

CSJ is taking this opportunity to highlight to Singaporeans the evil that LKY, gecko and the PAP imposed on many innocent Singaporeans.

Asmuch as you should speak your mind out there are times when you should shut the fuck up. Especially you. Who talks so much about having to post with anonymous IPs and such.

You are not to approve or to disapprove of anything that the APs do. Either you keep quiet and fight the war or make noises like cancerous cells do without a brain of its own, just going about biting and eating anything in sight. Do you know that when the body dies the cancer cells die too??? :oIo::oIo::oIo:

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Dear Arun

Repression ? The collective memory of my parents who lived through the communist insurgency or who were students then knew the communist and their supporters sympathizers were no saints.

...

Spoken like a true loser. :oIo: History repeats itself. Despots never change their spots. And you wish for the impossible!

What a pathetic kuniang you truly are!

:oIo: :oIo: :oIo:

 

[aurvandil]

If he is going to campaign ard the theme of PAP repression etc etc etc , then he has lost the plot just as I was praising the SDP for excellent logistics and media management. Voters are selfish PERIOD.

I never said it was a good idea. I am simply analyzing what he is trying to do.

If you look 1 level deeper, you will have noticed SDP has recently acquired capability to do very good Youtubes. My expectation is that we will be seeing many ex-detaines/exiles speaking out via this medium.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I as a voter do not care about LKY's legacy or what he did past tense, I only care for what his successors can do for me in the present.

Locke

As a voter I also care only about what the opposition can do for me. Thus far I've yet to see an opposition party suggest a policy change or a new policy that can improve my business. Why should I vote opposition then, all their talk about CPF, immigrants, and jobs doesn't affect me in reality, and if implemented in parliament, will not improve conditions for me?

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I never said it was a good idea. I am simply analyzing what he is trying to do.

If you look 1 level deeper, you will have noticed SDP has recently acquired capability to do very good Youtubes. My expectation is that we will be seeing many ex-detaines/exiles speaking out via this medium.

I'm disappointed.

You started off supporting Dr Chee's letter (which I do as well), but when you saw others whacking Dr Chee vigorously, you turned tailed and decided to modulate your own remark to make them more in line.

Sad.

 

[SneeringTree]

With these letters, Chee Soon Juan and SDP just lost the only thing that they have which the PAP does not have: the moral high ground.

 

[aurvandil]

I'm disappointed.

You started off supporting Dr Chee's letter (which I do as well), but when you saw others whacking Dr Chee vigorously, you turned tailed and decided to modulate your own remark to make them more in line.

Sad.

Maybe you can explain how I was supporting Dr Chee's letter.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

As a voter I also care only about what the opposition can do for me. Thus far I've yet to see an opposition party suggest a policy change or a new policy that can improve my business. Why should I vote opposition then, all their talk about CPF, immigrants, and jobs doesn't affect me in reality, and if implemented in parliament, will not improve conditions for me?

That is why you should continue to vote for the PAP. At the endof the day just vote for the PAP, you know you have done so in the past as you have just acknowledged. :oIo:

Just vote for yourself and only for yourself. YOu will go very far. Next erections please vote for the PAP. People like you voting for the APs is just a sickening. Please continue voting for the PAP andplease make sure you let everyone know that you have always voted for the PAP.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

With these letters, Chee Soon Juan and SDP just lost the only thing that they have which the PAP does not have: the moral high ground.

Singaporeans by and large do not walk on a moral ground. They are bread and butter issues first and foremost and secondly they would like to be seen as nice people.

CSJ is making at least two generations of Singaporeans know of the dirty deeds of LKY, the gecko and the PAP. At least two generations of Singaporeans do not know a lot about Singapore as they have been imbued with fascist propaganda from the PAP.

YOu may not agree with the letter or its timing but I am sure that you agree with its contents. No?