Are you guys sure YingLuck is pretty?

[red amoeba]

Sleague is right on this. US embargoed all oil shipping to Japan, whether civil or military. That was even before the Pearl Harbor raid. In fact, many would say that caused the Pearl Harbor raid. That also caused Japanese determination take over South China Sea for shipping lanes and Indonesia for oil supply.

invasion of SEA is for oil, this i agree.

invasion of Pearl harbour is for another objective...to knock out the carrier fleet.

 

[Ramseth]

invasion of SEA is for oil, this i agree.

invasion of Pearl harbour is for another objective...to knock out the carrier fleet.

You're going around in a big circle. The reason to try to knock out US Pacific fleet was to disable US from the power to enforce the embargo.

 

[red amoeba]

You're going around in a big circle. The reason to try to knock out US Pacific fleet was to disable US from the power to enforce the embargo.

Jap dun want the pacific fleet to meddle with their expansion plan in SEA.

US is not going to use her fleet to "enforce" the embargo.

If US don't export...Japan is dried...no nid to 'enforce' - enforce means blockade Tokyo port or intercept smuggling tankers.

 

[red amoeba]

Back in 1909, Japan already laid plans to attack US & training doctrine of IJN is as such.


早在1909年，日本軍方就曾擬定過與美國的戰爭計畫「國家防衛策略」，該策略中認為美國會與日本於馬里亞納群島和馬紹爾群島之間海域戰鬥。30多年來，日本海軍也一直以此假想為訓練，軍艦也一直以近海戰鬥為設計主軸[SUP][12][/SUP]。1941年，大本營提出與以前差別不大的計畫：决定在開戰之初進攻英美荷在東南亞的殖民地，首要目標是荷屬東印度的油田，其他則有馬來半島、菲律賓、緬甸等地；認為一旦與美國開戰，在攻進美屬菲律賓時，美國必定會以龐大的艦隊前來救援，日本就能以其龐大的艦隊進行決戰（類似日俄戰爭中的對馬海峽海戰）。

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山本五十六上將，攻擊珍珠港計畫的核心人物。​

海軍聯合艦隊指揮官山本五十六[SUP][13][/SUP]卻不贊同這個計畫，這個計畫中日本對美國艦隊決戰的主力是戰艦，山本認為其在海戰的主力地位已成過去，早在1927年他擔任赤城號艦長時就有對空中武力為新一代戰爭型態的想法；到了1940年，塔蘭托戰役中英國皇家海軍以24架飛機搭載魚雷去攻擊位於塔蘭托的義大利戰艦，雖然英軍損失了2架飛機但是卻癱瘓了3艘義大利戰艦，這種戰鬥方式更在山本心中留下深刻的印象。此外，留學過美國的山本知道其工業潛力是日本遠遠比不上的，若以此計畫勢必會陷入一場消耗戰中，導致物資與工業能力皆落於美國的日本戰敗。

 

[sleaguepunter]

早在1909年，日本軍方就曾擬定過與美國的戰爭計畫「國家防衛策略」，該策略中認為美國會與 日本於馬里亞納群島和馬紹爾群島之間海域戰鬥。

u get the above from chinese wikipedia? as far as i know, the mariana and marshall islands belong to kaiser germany and only transfer to japan by the league of nation after WW1. ie. 1918. so the war plan of 1909 seems a bit far fetch.

btw. it not invasion of pearl harhour, it only a raid. ram got it wrong, the objective was to knock out the US pacific fleet's capital ships so as to prevent US from interfering IJN & IJA invasion of S.E.A. The IJN raid admiral also sibei lousy as he would have brought IJA another 6-12 extra months if he had launch another attack against the shore installations. of course the admiral blew his brain out after midway defeat and was relieve of his command due to sheer incomptence.

yamamoto may have learn a lot from his US study period but the he should not worry about japan industrial output but the training doctrine of the IJA aviators. There no rotation program so once a veteran was loss, the loss become virtually irreplaceable.

i wonder how a self sealing fuel tank and a seat armour plate would weigh as IJA planes easily caught fire from a burst of .50cal.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Your definition of Chinese is different from mine. You're thinking in terms of Han Chinese. I'm thinking in terms of all those who had roots in China for millennia. PRC recognizes five major Chinese races, Han, Manchu, Mongul, Hui and Tibetan on top many minor Chinese races like Miao, Zhuang, Shan, Tai etc. All are Chinese.

Yes the term zhong guo ren is all encompassing all citizens of china. The defintion of zhong guo ren obviously means a citizen of china therefore if a white man gained citizenship in china he would be a zhong guo ren.

Some ppl consider non china citizens but of chinese descent as zhong guo ren too. Then again there's differing opinions on this.

I suppose the popular notion of a chinese is a han chinese and in the english context ppl would go the extra mile to label a non han chinese but a citizen of china as a chinese citizen to establish the fact that he's a minority and not thought commonly as a chinese.

Since the tai minority are considered to be chinese by you would you then consider the thai ppl as chinese having descended from the tai ppl of china? Frankly there's so much diversion among the han chinese it's going to be a headache to discuss about this among the minorities of china.

 

[Sideswipe]

actually S.E.A could have avoid the war had Zhukov was not posted to the far east command. zhukov whipped the kwangtung army ass in 1938 and zhukov rose to prominent after that later transfer back for the defense of moscow. Had the japanese done well in their siberian campagin, they would not have turn south. It is much easy to ship resources across the sea of japan than having a long shipping route from S.E.A to japan.

Soviet Russia provoked the war between United States and Japan. the Communist agents or sympathizers inside US government like Harry White, Owen Lattimore, Harry Hopkins and Lauchlin Currie etc were able to manipulate President Roosevelt and draw US into a war with Japan. White wrote the ultimatum ( Nov 1941 ) in response to Japan modus vivendi with very stiff terms ( Japan army must fully withdraw from China proper ) no way that Japan would accept the ultimatum. neither Roosevelt or Secretary of State Hull believed that Japan would accept those terms. were the US leaders trying to get a backdoor entry into WW2?

On the other side. Russian agents Richard Sorge, Hotsumi Ozaki and the Japan Communist Party succeeded in impressing the Japanese leaders the idea of attacking Southeast Asia, not Russia Siberia. Sorge and Ozaki convinced the Japanese officials that Japanese armies would meet with fierce resistance from powerful Red Armies in Siberia. chances of success was uncertain. there was nothing of value in Siberia. Japan should instead attack the resource-rich Southeast Asia.

 

[mollusk]

Nabei.this thread is about yingluck...

 

[Ramseth]

Nabei.this thread is about yingluck...

I think Yingluck's cousin is even more pretty.

 

[red amoeba]

早在1909年，日本軍方就曾擬定過與美國的戰爭計畫「國家防衛策略」，該策略中認為美國會與 日本於馬里亞納群島和馬紹爾群島之間海域戰鬥。

u get the above from chinese wikipedia? as far as i know, the mariana and marshall islands belong to kaiser germany and only transfer to japan by the league of nation after WW1. ie. 1918. so the war plan of 1909 seems a bit far fetch.

btw. it not invasion of pearl harhour, it only a raid. ram got it wrong, the objective was to knock out the US pacific fleet's capital ships so as to prevent US from interfering IJN & IJA invasion of S.E.A. The IJN raid admiral also sibei lousy as he would have brought IJA another 6-12 extra months if he had launch another attack against the shore installations. of course the admiral blew his brain out after midway defeat and was relieve of his command due to sheer incomptence.

yamamoto may have learn a lot from his US study period but the he should not worry about japan industrial output but the training doctrine of the IJA aviators. There no rotation program so once a veteran was loss, the loss become virtually irreplaceable.

i wonder how a self sealing fuel tank and a seat armour plate would weigh as IJA planes easily caught fire from a burst of .50cal.

(translating from the info from Baidu), in 1909 the Jpn generals hypotheised that a naval war will occur in the waters between Marshall & Marianas USN and IJN and therefore made such training. Maybe they arrive at this conclusion by calculating sailing times from each end and they will meet somewhere there to fight.

Given the level of technology / information available at that time, it is not surprising that many things are grossly underestimated / inflated to satisfy the intention of those war mongering generals / emperor.

I suppose IJA adopt a different mentality during the design of planes - knowing oil shortage, prolly they want a fuel efficient plane - meaning lighter plane whilst the yankees mentality is always heavier and sturdier.


But R&D / improvements in weapons always come from the need to counter something, you improve, your enemy counter it by another improvement, so on so forth..

And i hazard as well, that prolly IJN got more resource allocation than IJA, hence in terms of R&D cannot do much to improve the fighters - which is why after Zero...not much leap in terms of design / features whereas USN went on with Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair, etc.

 

[sleaguepunter]

I suppose IJA adopt a different mentality during the design of planes - knowing oil shortage, prolly they want a fuel efficient plane - meaning lighter plane whilst the yankees mentality is always heavier and sturdier.


But R&D / improvements in weapons always come from the need to counter something, you improve, your enemy counter it by another improvement, so on so forth..

And i hazard as well, that prolly IJN got more resource allocation than IJA, hence in terms of R&D cannot do much to improve the fighters - which is why after Zero...not much leap in terms of design / features whereas USN went on with Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair, etc.

i think u meant IJA had more resources than IJN. while the IJN go stuck with the zero, the IJA airforce had new planes roll out as the war progress. example are the Ki-44 Tojo (1942) and Ki-84 (Frank) 1943 wheras the navy was stuck with the A6M. i can understand why navy planes need to save weight to get extra endurance but why land based planes also no armour plate and self sealing tanks.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

i t.....s.

Hi chinese dog one more guy here for you to kiss his ass

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[Sir_Fcuk]

I think Yingluck's cousin is even more pretty.

I think Thaksin's daugther can fuck, opps, I mean can fight.... you look, you decide

 

[Alamaking]

I think Thaksin's daugther can fuck, opps, I mean can fight.... you look, you decide

Ok, i dun mind Thaksin daughter, LOL

 

[Spiky]

wah. thai girls so chio ah ?

i want.

 

[Fook Seng]

Soviet Russia provoked the war between United States and Japan. the Communist agents or sympathizers inside US government like Harry White, Owen Lattimore, Harry Hopkins and Lauchlin Currie etc were able to manipulate President Roosevelt and draw US into a war with Japan. White wrote the ultimatum ( Nov 1941 ) in response to Japan modus vivendi with very stiff terms ( Japan army must fully withdraw from China proper ) no way that Japan would accept the ultimatum. neither Roosevelt or Secretary of State Hull believed that Japan would accept those terms.

The US was compelled to enter the war directly because of one thing which was the attack on Pearl Harbour. They could be providing support verbally and materially but their intention was always to keep away. Attack on them leave them with no choice. Japan's priority in Greater Asia had been China which they had partially occupied earlier during the Sino-Japanese War and the holding of Manzhouguo. Originally a Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact was signed and Japan could then concentrate on China. US which had control of Japanese key commodities requirement including oil had not been cooperative which led to Japan's design for the SE Asian countries under the control of the British,the French and the Dutch to draw their requirements from. Two key considerations had to be made while Japan negotiated with the US on the embargo on its commodity imports. One was the alignment of the Soviets and the other was the role of France on Europe. Hitler had entertained the idea of teaming up with France to tackle Britain and France was somewhat inclined but the conditions were very harsh and the decision lied very much in the hands of the Germans. If France entered into an alliance with Germany, Japan would have to modify its design on Indo-China. As it turned out, Germany attacked Russia and France, leaving Japan full control of the Asia-Pacific. Japan and the US were negotiating to the last day before the start of the Pacific War. In fact the attack on Pearl Harbour was already set in motion by the relunctant General Yamamoto but recallable if success could be achieved at the negotiation table. It was not to be. And it was definitely not the Russians who provoked the attack by the Japs on the US but rather the desire of Germany to see the US engaged by Japan in the Pacific and Japan own fear of losing China due to shortage of essential commodities. In fact, Japan torn up the Neutrality Pact with Soviet Union, the moment Germany decided to attack Russia. Neither was the US's protection of China due to Eisenhower's affiliation to the PLA as at that time although China was in the midst of a civil war, official govt was still the KMT headquartered in Chongqing.

 

[Sideswipe]

The US was compelled to enter the war directly because of one thing which was the attack on Pearl Harbour. As it turned out, Germany attacked Russia and France, leaving Japan full control of the Asia-Pacific. Japan and the US were negotiating to the last day before the start of the Pacific War. In fact the attack on Pearl Harbour was already set in motion by the relunctant General Yamamoto but recallable if success could be achieved at the negotiation table. It was not to be. And it was definitely not the Russians who provoked the attack by the Japs on the US but rather the desire of Germany to see the US engaged by Japan in the Pacific and Japan own fear of losing China due to shortage of essential commodities. In fact, Japan torn up the Neutrality Pact with Soviet Union, the moment Germany decided to attack Russia. Neither was the US's protection of China due to Eisenhower's affiliation to the PLA as at that time although China was in the midst of a civil war, official govt was still the KMT headquartered in Chongqing.

Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact started from April 1941 and lasted continuously till August 1945.

you are right in saying Germany was trying to get Japan to declare war on US or Russia before Pearl Harbor. still it was a Russian conspiracy which resulted in Japan expanding Southwards, not Northwards. By July 1941, Richard Sorge was already confident that Japan will attack South East Asia, not Siberia. He informed the Kremlin of this good news ( July 2 1941 ). almost immediately, numerous divisions of Siberian and Far Eastern troops were rushed westwards across the continent to defend Moscow.

 

[chonburifc]

Ok, i dun mind Thaksin daughter, LOL

Since this post is about Yingluck, I will share my 2 baht. Face before and after make up can be very drastic. Yingluck, no doubt, she is a beauty in her early days. Now, she's consider above average if you take her age into consideration.

 

[Froggy]

Ok, i dun mind Thaksin daughter, LOL

Ya sure you don't mind. But she mind people in orange jersey. Ops sorry, just can't help it.

 

[Alamaking]

Ya sure you don't mind. But she mind people in orange jersey. Ops sorry, just can't help it.

I do occasionally wear white, or blue, whahaha