Are you guys sure YingLuck is pretty?

[Froggy]

I do occasionally wear white, or blue, whahaha

Lucky never say yellow sure kenna fuck by red shirts.

 

[Conqueror]

Siberian Tigers

All out Japanese war against China began with the Tanaka doctrine that the whole China must be conquered at all costs and it was possible. To conquer China, first Manchuria must be conquered. That precipitated the assassination of half the Japanese cabinet ministers who objected it as an impossibility and the declaration of Manchukuo independent from China but subordinate to Japan. The Chinese (KMT) war objective then became must kick Japan out of Manchuria and Korea at all costs whilst confidently believing that China may lose a few cities now and there, here or there, but it's not possible for Japan to conquer the whole of China anyway. The ensuing madness and barbaric cruelty by the Japanese was because they tried too hard to make something impossible possible.

Actually, I have written my own modern "Art of War" to eradicate the first version which was already outdated. I even have my very own "Tanaka Memorial" aka 田中上奏文 Tanaka Josobun for Asia and Siberia conquest. Singapore cannot be my base if I have a choice. It has to be in the north. It's all for the sake of my obsession - Siberian Tigers ... and Rhinos too.

I actually suspected about myself whether I was once a Japanese soldier before. I'm so bloodthirsty that I will mow down all the old folks and the PAP supporters on a beach. That's a great dream. And when these assholes' blood flow like a river ... it's so poetic !

 

[Alamaking]

Lucky never say yellow sure kenna fuck by red shirts.

Hahaha... Yellow is MY, LOL

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Siberian Tigers

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YingLunk not pretty.. I prefer Merkel.. So Cute.:p

 

[Fook Seng]

Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact started from April 1941 and lasted continuously till August 1945.

you are right in saying Germany was trying to get Japan to declare war on US or Russia before Pearl Harbor. still it was a Russian conspiracy which resulted in Japan expanding Southwards, not Northwards. By July 1941, Richard Sorge was already confident that Japan will attack South East Asia, not Siberia. He informed the Kremlin of this good news ( July 2 1941 ). almost immediately, numerous divisions of Siberian and Far Eastern troops were rushed westwards across the continent to defend Moscow.

What conspiracy are you talking about? A Neutrality Pact is for mutual preservation. I believe it served the Japanese more than for the Soviets. The Pact actually had a 5-year life and almost immediately after its signing, Germany attacked Russia and Japan teamed up with Germany. It was the Russian who revoked the Pact, one year before its natural expiry, stating more or less the reason above. Why would the Japanese want to go northwards? It is just land and large tracts of land need a lot of soldiers to hold territory, something that the Japanese wanted to avoid. Their focus was to hold on to China, with soldiers, and not be diverted. Going southwards was inevitable because the US couldn't give them what they wanted.

 

[Fook Seng]

I do occasionally wear white, or blue, whahaha

Sometimes PAP, o

 

[Alamaking]

Sometimes PAP, o

Definitely not white trousers.....

 

[Fook Seng]

Sometimes PAP, o

Sometimes PAP. Other times WP.

 

[HedgeTrader]

Ya sure you don't mind. But she mind people in orange jersey. Ops sorry, just can't help it.

I do occasionally wear white, or blue, whahaha

You no chance. Whole Thaksin family support Man City LOL

 

[Alamaking]

You no chance. Whole Thaksin family support Man City LOL

Alamak......

 

[Sideswipe]

What conspiracy are you talking about? A Neutrality Pact is for mutual preservation. I believe it served the Japanese more than for the Soviets. The Pact actually had a 5-year life and almost immediately after its signing, Germany attacked Russia and Japan teamed up with Germany. It was the Russian who revoked the Pact, one year before its natural expiry, stating more or less the reason above. Why would the Japanese want to go northwards? It is just land and large tracts of land need a lot of soldiers to hold territory, something that the Japanese wanted to avoid. Their focus was to hold on to China, with soldiers, and not be diverted. Going southwards was inevitable because the US couldn't give them what they wanted.

you said earlier, "Japan torn up the neutrality pact with Soviet Union, the moment Germany decided to attack Russia." I replied that the pact actually lasted till August 1945.

agree that Japan expanding southwards was the right choice but nevertheless the Russians successfully schemed to bring Japan into a war with US and Britain. the Japanese leaders were exploring their options that arose as a result of the Germany-Russia war. if the Russians withdrawed part of her forces in Siberia back to Moscow, the Japanese army will be in an superior military position to take advantage, should they need to invade Siberia. for the Russians, hundred thousands of Siberian troops were facing off against the Japanese equivalent on the Siberia-Manchuria borders. Stalin had to be absolutely certain that the Japanese will not invade Siberia before moving back those troops. the experienced battle-hardened Siberian troops were desperately needed in the war against Germany.

Mitsusada Yoshizawa, Japanese Government Attorney Office Director testified before US Senate in 1950 that Hotsumi Ozaki was the unofficial adviser to the Konoye Cabinet. Richard Sorge working through Ozaki had impressed and convinced the Japanese leaders that they should stuck southwards, not northwards. to go south naturally mean a war with United States and Britain.

 

[Talking Donkey]

Alamak this thread is about the prettiness of yingluck..and is now turning into a world war I and II thread
with US,Russia and Japan involved..whats goin on?

 

[Fook Seng]

you said earlier, "Japan torn up the neutrality pact with Soviet Union, the moment Germany decided to attack Russia." I replied that the pact actually lasted till August 1945..

Torn up the Pact was just a figure of speech. If going northwards was not a priority, not even a desirable objective, why do the unnecessary? Countries don't conduct their foreign affairs that way.

 

[Alamaking]

Alamak this thread is about the prettiness of yingluck..and is now turning into a world war I and II thread
with US,Russia and Japan involved..whats goin on?

Where got war here?

 

[Fook Seng]

Where got war here?

It's TCSS lah.

 

[Ramseth]

Torn up the Pact was just a figure of speech. If going northwards was not a priority, not even a desirable objective, why do the unnecessary? Countries don't conduct their foreign affairs that way.

It was a matter of priority of commitment in times of conflicting interests. The Axis Pact with Germany and Italy took priority when Germany invaded Soviet Union, they always had longstanding conflicting claims on Manchuria areas and Kuerile islands anyway.

 

[Fook Seng]

It was a matter of priority of commitment in times of conflicting interests. The Axis Pact with Germany and Italy took priority when Germany invaded Soviet Union, they always had longstanding conflicting claims on Manchuria areas and Kuerile islands anyway.

Yes and the Japanese felt that they cannot win the War without Germany. They had thought that Germany could win the war in Europe in a short time but it did not. Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour brought US into the War with more intensity than if it was not directly engaged. Of course, US would have still supported its allies, Britain and France in SE Asia but their participation would only have been a secondary role. Lastly Japan did not expect the invention of the Atomic Bomb. It was also a stroke of luck that the US and its allies beat the German its perfection.

 

[Forvendet]

Yes and the Japanese felt that they cannot win the War without Germany. They had thought that Germany could win the war in Europe in a short time but it did not. Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour brought US into the War with more intensity than if it was not directly engaged. Of course, US would have still supported its allies, Britain and France in SE Asia but their participation would only have been a secondary role. Lastly Japan did not expect the invention of the Atomic Bomb. It was also a stroke of luck that the US and its allies beat the German its perfection.

Both Japan and Germany were overconfident and they had a dud ally in Italy. US and UK held had a dud ally in France too. Italy and France were the laughing stocks of WW2. Both Japan and Germany thought they could settle Europe and China quick, by then they'd in a position too powerful forcing US and UK to sue for peace on their terms. It didn't happen that way and they had to extend the war to USSR and SEA, thereby overextending themselves sealing their own defeats to the extend of unconditional terms. There were ups and downs on both sides. The unexpectedly quick fall of France forced UK into a corner from which they managed to hold and recover. The surprisingly weak performance of Italy in North Africa forced Germany to overextend again down there.

The atomic bomb didn't win the war for US and UK. The war was already won by Normandy and Midway landings. Germany read it right and surrendered first. Japan was still too stubbornly in a state of disbelief and denial.

The atomic bomb saved Japan by waking it up in a snap. Otherwise, an US and UK combined conventional carpet bombing of Japan would have killed many more Japanese than the atomic bomb had. Japan at that time already had no gates to guard and was sitting duck.

 

[red amoeba]

as sleaguepunter pointed out...the mastery of Zhukov persuaded Japan to go Southwards:

How Khalkhin-Gol changed the course of history
The battle of Khalkhin-Gol decisively showed the expansionist Japanese military that it was not a match for the Soviets – particularly while Japanese forces were still bogged down throughout China. The Soviets under combined their forces to stunning effect, while Japanese tactics remained stuck in a pre-modern mindset that valued honour and personal bravery more highly on the battlefield than massed forces and armour.
When Hitler finally invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 the Japanese, although tempted to join the attack, remembered the lessons of Khalkhin Gol and decided to remain on the sidelines, ensuring that the stretched Soviet military could focus its forces on just one front. This, in turn, meant that Nazi Germany was forced to fight a four year war on two fronts – against the Soviets in the East, and the British and Americans in the West.
Defeat at Khalkhin-Gol can also be seen as a major factor in the Japanese decision to expand into the Pacific. As expansion to the North-West was no longer an option, ill defended and scattered colonial territories made far easier targets. Even the United States was deemed a less formidable adversary than the Soviet Union and, if the Japanse had not lost at Khalkhin-Gol, they would surely have never attacked Pearl Harbour.
However, although the Japanese probably took the sensible strategic course after Khalkhin Gol of targetting a ‘weaker’ opponent, they didn’t learn the combat lessons dealt out by the Soviet army. Honour and bravery remained central to the Japanese military mentality and, once they had recovered from the initial onslaught, the United States and Britain were able to mass their forces and push the Japanese out of the Pacific and back to the Home Islands in one brutal battle after another.

 

[red amoeba]

Both Japan and Germany were overconfident and they had a dud ally in Italy. US and UK held had a dud ally in France too. Italy and France were the laughing stocks of WW2. Both Japan and Germany thought they could settle Europe and China quick, by then they'd in a position too powerful forcing US and UK to sue for peace on their terms. It didn't happen that way and they had to extend the war to USSR and SEA, thereby overextending themselves sealing their own defeats to the extend of unconditional terms. There were ups and downs on both sides. The unexpectedly quick fall of France forced UK into a corner from which they managed to hold and recover. The surprisingly weak performance of Italy in North Africa forced Germany to overextend again down there.
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i believe France was overconfident abt their Maginot Line or Maggot line....and the British overconfident abt their Expeditonary force...the use of biltzkreg overwhelm and stunned them...

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