End of the PAP Ride?

[Windsor]

From a personal standpoint, I daresay there is a significant groundswell of discontent amongst certain segments of the populace. Whether the incumbants will succeed to overcome the losses of the votes remain to be seen. I am quite positive we will see them getting a reduced majority from the last GE. Right now, they are moving quickly as time is short before the next GE, like muzzling TOC for instance, in order to quell and lessen their "negative" influence amngst the disenchanted. In the weeks to come, I expect more of such activities.

As to your take on the PAP having great difficulty to structure the economy, I agree that it appears they are left with few options. Being an island nation, with less than 6 million population, they have done as much as they could to tinker with, fine tune and make changes deemed necessary. What more can be done, especially since policies once set cannot be undone. Here I am referring to the FTs, GST, allowing prices of properties to escalate, the higher cost of living and others already in place.

I guess what you are missing are more inputs from fellow forumers, but with the constant personal attacks of certain members (we do enjoy our anonymity), I don't doubt some here may be intimidated in airing their views.

I am actually suprised by the responses that I see here. I had the distinct impression that the ground shifted significantly away from the PAP and they are on the defensive.

I do acknowledge that PAP will continue to govern and still hold most seat but surely the votes will be lesser and the the possibililty of another seat or GRC to the opposition.

I can't think of a time when the PAP ran out of ideas, struggling to be convincing and having great difficulty with having to structure the economy.

There is also the liberal young who will be coming into vote and the communist bogeyman politics will have no truck with them. The fear factor will no longer make sense in the world of internet.

Am I missing something.

 

[kukubird58]

If that really happen, I am going to lock myself away for the rest of my live because I will be too ashamed of our hopeless sinkies who prefer to be exploited by PAP for many generations to come.

hahaha...u better clarify yourself hor....
1. 90% will definitely not happen so u are very safe.....
2. only 1 seat is a possibility as with any other nos of seats.

 

[Perspective]

I am actually suprised by the responses that I see here. I had the distinct impression that the ground shifted significantly away from the PAP and they are on the defensive.

I do acknowledge that PAP will continue to govern and still hold most seat but surely the votes will be lesser and the the possibililty of another seat or GRC to the opposition.

I can't think of a time when the PAP ran out of ideas, struggling to be convincing and having great difficulty with having to structure the economy.

There is also the liberal young who will be coming into vote and the communist bogeyman politics will have no truck with them. The fear factor will no longer make sense in the world of internet.

Am I missing something.

Agree with you. Many people here think Singaporeans are "balless" in the last few elections but in reality, Singapore had not reached the present stage as you are now describing, so the situation may be different.

However, it may not be this election but the next, perhaps within the next 2 elections. What is absolutely guaranteed is a result below 66.6% for PAP.

 

[wikiphile]

Agree with you. Many people here think Singaporeans are "balless" in the last few elections but in reality, Singapore had not reached the present stage as you are now describing, so the situation may be different.

However, it may not be this election but the next, perhaps within the next 2 elections. What is absolutely guaranteed is a result below 66.6% for PAP.

Absolutes and guarantees are always absolutely not guaranteed, i think best to sit and watch how this GE will turn out

 

[Rimururu]

Agree with you. Many people here think Singaporeans are "balless" in the last few elections but in reality, Singapore had not reached the present stage as you are now describing, so the situation may be different.

However, it may not be this election but the next, perhaps within the next 2 elections. What is absolutely guaranteed is a result below 66.6% for PAP.

They are short-sighted.

 

[GoldenDragon]

There is also the liberal young who will be coming into vote and the communist bogeyman politics will have no truck with them. The fear factor will no longer make sense in the world of internet.

Agree. The younger voters, being better educated, should be able to overcome the 'fear' factor. I am quietly confident the MIW will not get more than 60%. More likely, 55-59%.

Other than HG and PP, there is hope that at least 1 GRC will fall and I pray if there is one GRC, it will be Aljunied. Not because of GY, but I reckon Sylvia will make a great opposition MP. Her credible performance can only aid the opposition cause. However, she has to overcome the LTK factor. The latter appears 'soft' and 'clueless' at times. And yes, I will be voting for her coz I am in Aljunied GRC.

Next, I hope Toa Payoh falls too. WKS will only leave the political scene when booted out by voters. No other way will he 'retire'. KJ's entry into Parliament will liven things up, especially on economic and financial matters. These are two areas whereby CST, LTK and SL aren't all that comfortable with.

 

[bullfrog]

Isnt it sad for Old Man that it must be his son to see the sun set on PAP?

Agree. The younger voters, being better educated, should be able to overcome the 'fear' factor. I am quietly confident the MIW will not get more than 60%. More likely, 55-59%.

Other than HG and PP, there is hope that at least 1 GRC will fall and I pray if there is one GRC, it will be Aljunied. Not because of GY, but I reckon Sylvia will make a great opposition MP. Her credible performance can only aid the opposition cause. However, she has to overcome the LTK factor. The latter appears 'soft' and 'clueless' at times. And yes, I will be voting for her coz I am in Aljunied GRC.

Next, I hope Toa Payoh falls too. WKS will only leave the political scene when booted out by voters. No other way will he 'retire'. KJ's entry into Parliament will liven things up, especially on economic and financial matters. These are two areas whereby CST, LTK and SL aren't all that comfortable with.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

The PAP is on the defensive. Those who work the ground know this. As I said it time and time again, the silent majority is not the stupid majority.

As you pointed out in your original postings, the bad polices have affected so many people. On HDB housing, it is not only the young looking to start a family who are pissed. The young people have parents who hope to see their children get married and have children. There is anger when they see these critical life plans derailed because of Minister Mah's "affordable" HDB pricing policy. Ditto for siblings, uncles, aunts and other relatives. Come this CNY at the family gatherings, umarried young people who cannot afford a HDB flat will be at the top of discussion when the familes get together. From there, the discussion will move on to other bad policy mistakes like the sky high COE, high medical bills etc.

Dear aurvandil,

You are right. The Malay ground only swell AFTER Hari Raya celebrations. This is partly due to family gatherings in Singapore as well as in Malaysia where they talk about social-political issues. Especially the Malaysian relatives tell them about how te political tsunami in Malaysia has brought visible GOOD impact to their livelihood.

CNY will be an important holidays for this GE.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[BusNo64]

Dear aurvandil,

You are right. The Malay ground only swell AFTER Hari Raya celebrations. This is partly due to family gatherings in Singapore as well as in Malaysia where they talk about social-political issues. Especially the Malaysian relatives tell them about how te political tsunami in Malaysia has brought visible GOOD impact to their livelihood.

CNY will be an important holidays for this GE.

Goh Meng Seng

final speech?

http://singsupplies.com/showpost.php?p=645301&postcount=3

 

[GoldenDragon]

final speech?

http://singsupplies.com/showpost.php?p=645301&postcount=3

Kindly define 'final'. It may be final for this hour, for the day, for the week, month, year etc. I think for GMS, final means 'more to come'.

 

[Sideswipe]

The Malay ground only swell AFTER Hari Raya celebrations. This is partly due to family gatherings in Singapore as well as in Malaysia where they talk about social-political issues. Especially the Malaysian relatives tell them about how te political tsunami in Malaysia has brought visible GOOD impact to their livelihood.

what percentages of the Chinese/Malay/Indian electorate do you derive, not guess voted for PAP/Oppositions or NSP the last GE.

or the Oppositions "severely" lacking in Malay/Indian votes are based on logical guess only.

 

[yellow_people]

Yes, there's 7 to 8% to catch up on but it's looking easier now with the two mad men out of the way, i.e. GMS and James G.

I doubt very much that WP can wrestle Aljunied GRC from PAP, particular with Sylvia Lim's performance. Though many had placed high hopes on Sylvia initially, her performance in parliament thus far had been mediocre at best. She is probably best known for "Singapore laws are fair and just", .. a comment no doubt made to appease the PAP, oblivious to the fact that her former party leader, the late JBJ, was persecuted by those very kangaroo laws. Whatever potential and enthusiasm the voters in Aljunied had in 2006 about Sylvia has all but diminished. Even Sylvia Lim knows that.

Rumours circulating that she may be abandoning Aljunied GRC to contest in a single-ward seat in the coming GE. The lure of that extra 14k MP allowance she can pocket monthly must surely be tantalising for our political conformist. I'm pretty sure the PAP will be delighted to have onboard yet another as a bona fide MP to showcase our wayang parliamentary "democracy".

Not at the very least, LTK can boast to his detractors that WP's seat in parliament has increased by 100% since 2006; from 1 MP to 2. I guess this is what happens to opposition candidates when Ah Beng unequivocally states he’ll vote for maggot, worms, dog, donkey or vermin over PAP. Be careful cause sometimes you may get exactly what you wish for.





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[Equalisation]

Let's put it succintly .... if Aljunied don't win by WP, no other oppo can win any other GRC ....:o

 

[yellow_people]

Let me put it bluntly. The minorities, especially the Malay in Aljunied view the WP as an ethno-centric Chinese towkay party. They will no longer give WP a second glance. Neither will the indians nor the new citizen.

The latter is a group the PAP is actively courting through grassroot meetings and in the media - broadsheets as well as tv programs like "I married a Singaporean". The PAP throught the various govt agencies, have all the stats and figures at their finger trips. The know the significance of these new citizens will play to tilt the balance in their (PAP) favor.

These new citizens and minority voters will be decisive in a PAP victory in this GE.


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[Dreamer1]

Let me put it bluntly. The minorities, especially the Malay in Aljunied view the WP as an ethno-centric Chinese towkay party. They will no longer give WP a second glance. Neither will the indians nor the new citizen.

The latter is a group the PAP is actively courting through grassroot meetings and in the media - broadsheets as well as tv programs like "I married a Singaporean". The PAP throught the various govt agencies, have all the stats and figures at their finger trips. The know the significance of these new citizens will play to tilt the balance in their (PAP) favor.

These new citizens and minority voters will be decisive in a PAP victory in this GE.


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Good point,but I doubt the claim that Indians would not support WP.

The battle this year is set to be
are you against PAP?
NOT do you support opposition?

U r right that PAP is courting new citizens,but not much,so far we have more PRs than CITIZENS,a total failue by MM LKY!

 

[tun_dr_m]

This is the PAP RIDE.

It is DEATH RIDE and the journey is ending soon.

At the end of the journey = LUNCH TIME!

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We all know that the early bird catches the worm – but in Brisbane it’s the early frog that catches the snake (Armin Gerlach)
We all know that the early bird catches the worm – but in Brisbane it’s the early frog that catches the snake (Armin Gerlach)
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Wed, 12 Jan 2011 9:54a.m.

We all know that the early bird catches the worm – but in Brisbane it’s the early frog that catches the snake.

Amidst the photos of catastrophe, despair and destruction, computer technician Armin Gerlach snapped a photo of a green frog hitching a ride on the back of a brown snake through the floodwaters.

Mr Gerlach was visiting friends in the flood-hit town of Dalby when he spotted the unlikely pair, ninemsn.com reports.

“I felt amazement, I just couldn’t believe it,” he says.

Mr Gerlach says a friend told him it is not uncommon for animals to help each other during disasters.

“It’s quite common when you have animals in floods or fires or disasters, they actually get together and don’t do anything,” he says.

“[My friend] has seen foxes and rabbits forget their hunting instincts during natural disasters.”

 

[yellow_people]

Good point,but I doubt the claim that Indians would not support WP.

The battle this year is set to be
are you against PAP?
NOT do you support opposition?

The proof is in the pudding. The Nehs are known for being politically active and aware, look at SDP, but are conspicuously absent from WP. Why is that? As a Neh in Aljunied GRC that voted for WP in 2006, I will be spoiling my vote this GE. So will my family members, friends, their families and friends, etc.

SG minority citizen instinctively knows that if the PAP is bad, these regime change Ah Beng charlatans are worse.




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[Liquigas]

Let me put it bluntly. The minorities, especially the Malay in Aljunied view the WP as an ethno-centric Chinese towkay party. They will no longer give WP a second glance. Neither will the indians nor the new citizen.

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Agreed, the Malays will always support PAP, the ruling party. The general feeling among the Malays is that only PAP can protect their rights & status. In what way can an oppo party like WP help them? They are thus very different from the Chinese minority in Malaysia who we know seldom vote for the ruling coalition (BN). Indian support for WP has diminished somewhat with the departure of JBJ. Finally, PAP does not really need (for now) the support from new citizen voters to win GE. The support from Malays and voters who are government employees (directly or indirectly) are sufficient to ensure victory.

 

[Forvendet]

Most of my relatives would vote for PAP without blinking and thinking, except for me and my wife. We're quite fedup with the FT influx. However, Eurasians are too few in numbers to matter anyway.

 

[Equalisation]

Most of my relatives would vote for PAP without blinking and thinking, except for me and my wife. We're quite fedup with the FT influx. However, Eurasians are too few in numbers to matter anyway.

Bro .... your wife can cook up a fiery Devil's curry ?? :o:o