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The picture painted in my mind in future Singapore is 10% super rich person being served by 90% super poor laborers.
Rich persons will sip wines, clubbing, Casinos, F1, buying lots of properties, dinning... and they need lots of people to clean the tables, provide massage services, drive the rich around, be their body guards and complain the entrance fees to Sentosa where they live is too high.... The other vivid picture is the rich are the ministers, perm sec, GLC leaders and a bunch of rich foreigners.. The one cleaning tables are also young foreigners and old locals...

Agree with you and bro FundsTransfer on this, Singaporeans, the serfs of the future. I really feel sad everytime i see the old and aged cleaning and clearing tables. So many times some will always refuse the help we try to give them as they are people with backbone and do not accept help easily. :(
One time, one uncle was so puzzled when we gave him a small amount that afterwards he kept coming back to clean our table, then the edges of our table before going off and then coming back again after that. We cleaned up mostly and tried to make it easier for him to clear. Feel really sad for them.
 

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Thanks everyone for answering Andhika's queries.

Just had a very nice supper at S11 coffeeshop (opposite the crystal pearl cafe)
Always a lot of food choices there. Had bbq chicken wings, satay,
wanton noodles (pretty good ones) with wife and son. Still so many choices after
1am.
 

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Thank you Wuqi!

Now I understand Mohism refers to 墨家.

I have been watching a series of 先秦诸子百家争鸣 by Prof 易中天 on youtubes.

There is a subseries on 儒墨之争

先秦诸子百家争鸣07_儒墨之争01:儒与侠.rm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSX72YQemFc


Prof 易中天 is very good.




Hi sgtsk, Mohism 墨家 died out in China long long unfortunately. Its a philosophy and a way of life long gone.

Much like a chinese version of freemasons except that this was formed not for religion but more as a philosophy
to prevent wars and suffering.
(Not the modern version of chinese freemason which is more like the triads)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohism

Mohism or Moism (Chinese: 墨家; pinyin: Mòjiā; literally "School of Mo") was a Chinese philosophy developed by the followers of Mozi (also referred to as Mo Tzu (Master Mo), Latinized as Micius), 470 BC–c.391 BC. It evolved at about the same time as Confucianism, Taoism and Legalism, and was one of the four main philosophic schools during the Spring and Autumn Period (from 770 BC to 480 BC)[1] and the Warring States Period (from 479 BC to 221 BC). During that time, Mohism (墨 Mo) was seen as a major rival to Confucianism (儒 Ru). The Qin dynasty, which united China in 221 BC, adopted Legalism as the official government philosophy and suppressed all other philosophic schools. The Han dynasty that followed adopted Confucianism as the official state philosophy, as did most other successive dynasties, though Daoism and later Buddhism also played an important part in later Chinese life and thought, while Mohism all but disappeared as a separate school of thought. Mohist books were later merged into Taoist canon.

Mohism is best known for the concept of "impartial love" or "universal love" (Chinese: 兼愛; pinyin: Jian Ai; literally "inclusive love") and "No Evasion" (Chinese: 非攻; pinyin: Fei Gong; literally "No Attack") Mozi's philosophy was described in the book Mozi, compiled by his students from his lecture notes.

There was a movie about this i think quite a few years back in 2006:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Battle_of_Wits_(2006_film)

Famous people like master craftsman, Lu Ban were also mentioned in Mozi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu_Ban
 

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Hi sgtsk,

Sure, its always good to share, i like their ideals and identify with some of their key beliefs.
It was a pity that this school of thought died out eventually. Agree, always liked the Prof.

I greatly admire Mozi as in he relentlessly help others all the while getting doubted and suspected of
this and that by those equally capable yet not willing to help or see others succeed types. He also
climbed up from the lower ranks and from young, his parents ignored him and did not treat him well.

Yet some people still remember him and not the selfish or self serving ones who may have done better
in their lives but forever lost in the mounds of history where their names were never even mentioned.

Felt pity about the account when he helped others but got caught in rain and left out in the cold.
Years back, when i told my wife his story and she said i should change my name as she thought i
was talking about myself (the unlucky part)

I told her i cannot compare myself with him as i am just an admirer and follower of his principles especially
the part highlighted below.

Still trying very hard to even achieve the first level of his ideals. Its hard though, people these days are
so used to lies that when you speak the truth, they find it hard to believe.

Those who sneer at the mastery of the blade will find that the blade does not discriminate between a warmonger or a peace lover. Maintain the blade, maintain the peace.

War benefits no one, it never works to find out who is right, the only one making the decision on that is the one who is left.



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Most historians believe that Mozi was a member of the lower artisan class who managed to climb his way to an official post. It is known, however, that his parents were not affectionate towards him and showed him very little love. Mozi was a native of the State of Lu (Today's Tengzhou, Shandong Province), although for a time, he served as a minister in the State of Song.[3] Like Confucius, Mozi was known to have maintained a school for those who desired to become officials serving in the different ruling courts of the Warring States.[4]

Mozi was a carpenter and was extremely skilled in creating devices, designing everything from mechanical birds to wheeled, mobile "cloud ladders" used to besiege city walls (see Lu Ban). Though he did not hold a high official position, Mozi was sought out by various rulers as an expert on fortification. He was schooled in Confucianism in his early years, but he viewed Confucianism as being too fatalistic and emphasizing too much on elaborate celebrations and funerals which he felt were detrimental to the livelihood and productivity of common people. He managed to attract a large following during his lifetime which rivaled that of Confucius. His followers – mostly technicians and craftspeople – were organized in a disciplined order that studied both Mozi's philosophical and technical writings.

According to some accounts of the popular understanding of Mozi at the time, he had been hailed by many as the greatest hero to come from Henan. His passion was said to be for the good of the people, without concern for personal gain or even his own life or death. His tireless contribution to society was praised by many, including Confucius' disciple Mencius. Mencius wrote in Jinxin (Chinese: 孟子盡心; pinyin: Mengzi Jinxin) that Mozi believed in love for all mankind. As long as something benefits mankind, Mozi will pursue it even if it means hurting his head or his feet. Zhang Tai Yan said that in terms of moral virtue, even Confucius and Laozi cannot compare to Mozi.

His pacifism led Mozi to travel from one crisis zone to another throughout the ravaged landscape of the Warring States, trying to dissuade rulers from their plans of conquest. According to the chapter "Gongshu" in Mozi, he once walked for ten days to the state of Chu in order to forestall an attack on the state of Song. At the Chu court, Mozi engaged in nine simulated war games with Gongshu Ban, the chief military strategist of Chu, and overturned each one of his stratagems. When Gongshu Ban threatened him with death, Mozi informed the king that his disciples had already trained the soldiers of Song in his fortification methods, so it would be useless to kill him. The Chu king was forced to call off the war. On the way back, however, the soldiers of Song, not recognizing him, would not allow Mozi to enter their city, and he had to spend a night freezing in the rain. After this episode, he also stopped the state of Qi from attacking the state of Lu. He taught that defense of a city does not depend only on fortification, weaponry and food supply; it is also important to keep talented people close by and to put trust in them.
 
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mika14

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Btw Subway at Aeon Bukit Indah has opened, waiting for your patronage.

Oh yeah! I'm a die hard fan of subway, and I can never resist their raisin cookies ... Yum!

I'll see if I can pop over this weekend. Is the price cheaper or on par? Thx for letting me know :smile:

I am not much a Subway fan, only took a quick glance of their prices, think not that cheap..got Rm9 plus and Rm15 plus types..

Is their Subway cheaper than SG?
 

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Nope, bro. I tried and I will choose subway SG anytime over JB, based on both quality and price factors. Their ingredients aren't that fresh either! Having said that, u will still see a lot of patrons

Is their Subway cheaper than SG?
 
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DREAMorACTION

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Did u guys notice that more and more bubble tea shop are growing like mushroom in JB? But they ain't selling cheap, some costs even more than sinkie. Many are selling minimum RM4.9 for a normal cup of tea before adding bubbles at extra cost. I think they are a joke! I like bubble tea a lot but sadly, it's not a regular thing I would enjoy buying in JB.

In terms of the chain shops, KFC and pizza hut are still at much better value for me. Agree?
 

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If I'm thinking of the same place bro, there is a very nice nasi lermak store right? one store selling frogleg porridge/rice right? Is it that place? I tried their curry mutton one time and I could still remember the taste of it. It's delicious!

Thanks everyone for answering Andhika's queries.

Just had a very nice supper at S11 coffeeshop (opposite the crystal pearl cafe)
Always a lot of food choices there. Had bbq chicken wings, satay,
wanton noodles (pretty good ones) with wife and son. Still so many choices after
1am.
 
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DREAMorACTION

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Yup, bro. Think so. The description of the groupon link matches the brief information that I have.

Thanks for the other links too :smile:

 

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Bro, instead of keeping cash in car (not so recommended), why not Get one of this capsule. It's slim, compact and goes nicely with your keys.

http://www.vat19.com/dvds/cash-stash-keychain-capsule.cfm

U can get it at the wallet shop in SG. It's not ex and very handy for emergencies. :smile:

On a separate note, the other day when i drove into Tuas, i ran out of cash in my touch n go card. Worse, i forgot my ringgit in SG and i have 3 cards which folks used up (but forgot to top up for me)

So no choice, left with the issue to resolve (as always) so had to pay cash, SGD that is. The lady manning the counter told me she can only top up my car in SGD to the exact 1 to 1 value. So in the end, top up only 10RM in the card which allowed me to pass but yet paid 10 SGD.

Its my fault but do be careful to have RM in the car always.
 
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east539

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Thanks everyone for answering Andhika's queries.

Just had a very nice supper at S11 coffeeshop (opposite the crystal pearl cafe)
Always a lot of food choices there. Had bbq chicken wings, satay,
wanton noodles (pretty good ones) with wife and son. Still so many choices after
1am.

there is one stall selling Char kway teow quite solid...
 

wuqi256

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If I'm thinking of the same place bro, there is a very nice nasi lermak store right? one store selling frogleg porridge/rice right? Is it that place? I tried their curry mutton one time and I could still remember the taste of it. It's delicious!

Hmm, didn't notice the other ones, they have ayam penyet, thai bbq and wild boar (Fa Sao) curry, etc.
 

wuqi256

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Bro, instead of keeping cash in car (not so recommended), why not Get one of this capsule. It's slim, compact and goes nicely with your keys.

http://www.vat19.com/dvds/cash-stash-keychain-capsule.cfm

U can get it at the wallet shop in SG. It's not ex and very handy for emergencies. :smile:

Thanks, definitely not advisable but i am going to keep not much, just like 10 rm in each car for such emergencies as sometimes i lent my cars to others. I normally keep my cards, etc topped up but sometimes people forgot to reload for me. Imagine i have 3 cards in that one car alone but all empty.
 

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In terms of the chain shops, KFC and pizza hut are still at much better value for me. Agree?

Agree, sometimes you get better value because they are part of a franchise. I always go to Tangshifu when i am at JPO as they maintain their prices and might as well i go for something healthy and good as the food at JPO is expensive.
 

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As there has been some PMs on taxes, please note that there is a p
ersonal income tax and it will take into account your rental income as well. The tax rate is 26% for non residents and 1-26% if you are staying here for at least 182 days a year.

You can deduct lots of stuff as a tax resident. Again, the real gains tax is based on the 5-10% (within 2 years 10%, after 2 years within 5 years 5%, after 5 years no real gains tax) of what you need to pay for the difference between buying and selling price.

Always keep your receipts even after 5 years for the renovation, bank interest, etc as these are deductible off taxes. Rumour has it that the government may impose 30% capital gains tax soon for properties sold within 1 year to avoid people flipping and speculating in properties.

I strongly urge those who are buying for own stay and still thinking about things not to continue thinking, just go to the developer you want and buy direct.

Hey All, many many thanks for your inputs on the reasons for staying in JB. Gratitude.

Wuqi, pls explain on this tax issue. Does it apply to all owners of JB homes who are staying there? I have a few friends who stay in JB and the only taxes they have been paying are "cukai tanah" and "cukai pintu".
 

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Thank you Wuqi!
Mozi is alive, at least in you and I am sure there are other like minded people as yourself. The school curriculum could do better than just stressing mastery of languages. It is the culture as a whole that needs to be nurtured and protected. It was only 2 years ago that I started to indulge myself in the old Chinese classics, out of a personal yearning for understanding my own identity and culture and people. It is an experience I would not regret. I believe I am now better guided in my believes and value systems. After having some understanding of the classics(only very shallow and still struggling), I started to see philosophies, elements and values reflected in most things Chinese in Chinese literature, writings, value systems, poems, dances, music and songs, not forgetting politics and economics. in other words, Mozi and others like Laozi, Congzi, Mengzi, han fei zi, I Ching,...all still alive in out daily life, just that most of us do not understand or aware. Just like when one meets Wuqi, one sees a Mozi without knowing it.



Hi sgtsk,

Sure, its always good to share, i like their ideals and identify with some of their key beliefs.
It was a pity that this school of thought died out eventually. Agree, always liked the Prof.

I greatly admire Mozi as in he relentlessly help others all the while getting doubted and suspected of
this and that by those equally capable yet not willing to help or see others succeed types. He also
climbed up from the lower ranks and from young, his parents ignored him and did not treat him well.

Yet some people still remember him and not the selfish or self serving ones who may have done better
in their lives but forever lost in the mounds of history where their names were never even mentioned.

Felt pity about the account when he helped others but got caught in rain and left out in the cold.
Years back, when i told my wife his story and she said i should change my name as she thought i
was talking about myself (the unlucky part)

I told her i cannot compare myself with him as i am just an admirer and follower of his principles especially
the part highlighted below.

Still trying very hard to even achieve the first level of his ideals. Its hard though, people these days are
so used to lies that when you speak the truth, they find it hard to believe.

Those who sneer at the mastery of the blade will find that the blade does not discriminate between a warmonger or a peace lover. Maintain the blade, maintain the peace.

War benefits no one, it never works to find out who is right, the only one making the decision on that is the one who is left.



Life
Most historians believe that Mozi was a member of the lower artisan class who managed to climb his way to an official post. It is known, however, that his parents were not affectionate towards him and showed him very little love. Mozi was a native of the State of Lu (Today's Tengzhou, Shandong Province), although for a time, he served as a minister in the State of Song.[3] Like Confucius, Mozi was known to have maintained a school for those who desired to become officials serving in the different ruling courts of the Warring States.[4]

Mozi was a carpenter and was extremely skilled in creating devices, designing everything from mechanical birds to wheeled, mobile "cloud ladders" used to besiege city walls (see Lu Ban). Though he did not hold a high official position, Mozi was sought out by various rulers as an expert on fortification. He was schooled in Confucianism in his early years, but he viewed Confucianism as being too fatalistic and emphasizing too much on elaborate celebrations and funerals which he felt were detrimental to the livelihood and productivity of common people. He managed to attract a large following during his lifetime which rivaled that of Confucius. His followers – mostly technicians and craftspeople – were organized in a disciplined order that studied both Mozi's philosophical and technical writings.

According to some accounts of the popular understanding of Mozi at the time, he had been hailed by many as the greatest hero to come from Henan. His passion was said to be for the good of the people, without concern for personal gain or even his own life or death. His tireless contribution to society was praised by many, including Confucius' disciple Mencius. Mencius wrote in Jinxin (Chinese: 孟子盡心; pinyin: Mengzi Jinxin) that Mozi believed in love for all mankind. As long as something benefits mankind, Mozi will pursue it even if it means hurting his head or his feet. Zhang Tai Yan said that in terms of moral virtue, even Confucius and Laozi cannot compare to Mozi.

His pacifism led Mozi to travel from one crisis zone to another throughout the ravaged landscape of the Warring States, trying to dissuade rulers from their plans of conquest. According to the chapter "Gongshu" in Mozi, he once walked for ten days to the state of Chu in order to forestall an attack on the state of Song. At the Chu court, Mozi engaged in nine simulated war games with Gongshu Ban, the chief military strategist of Chu, and overturned each one of his stratagems. When Gongshu Ban threatened him with death, Mozi informed the king that his disciples had already trained the soldiers of Song in his fortification methods, so it would be useless to kill him. The Chu king was forced to call off the war. On the way back, however, the soldiers of Song, not recognizing him, would not allow Mozi to enter their city, and he had to spend a night freezing in the rain. After this episode, he also stopped the state of Qi from attacking the state of Lu. He taught that defense of a city does not depend only on fortification, weaponry and food supply; it is also important to keep talented people close by and to put trust in them.
 
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