WWW.Japanese F3 vs Chinese J20

[eatshitndie]

Care to show what you wrote is true?

all historical records are well documented on wikipedia and the flying tigers american volunteer group website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers

http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/tiger1.htm

 

[Ramseth]

i think you read too much chinese book in mandarin, with vinegar and salt added by taiwan.

even your timing is so wrong, amercian start action way before pearl harbor.

the chink was hammer by japs until they recruit american fighter pilot, amercian ground staff, amercian planner.

without american logistic support and american pilot help, japs would wipe china out, and guess how chin repay american kindness, they invade them in korea. that how low chin will go.

If all you say is true, then USA must be overlord in ROC as on China and Taiwan. Then, pray tell, how did ROC lose China to PRC?

As I've said earlier, China as in ROC had no aircraft manufacturing and pilot training capacity. To fight Japanese warplanes off Chinese skies, they needed US supplies and training. Chiang sent Soong to US Congress to appeal for that and US Congress voted to agree. That was what incensed Japanese to raid Pearl Harbor. However, Chinese pilots were Chinese pilots, US trained but still Chinese by blood and bones. The loss of air superiority over China incensed Japan further to further brutalities on land battles that they dominated for many years. That was what resulted in war crime trials, not just mere war defeat or surrender.

If your point is ethnic Chinese make bad pilots, then let's await the next air dogfight battle. PRC since founding in 1949 has so far never lost a war.

 

[singveld]

flying tiger air group mainly consists of american, a few chinese pilots train under american, obey american command, and follow american tactics. Funny why you did not mention the american contribution, just talk about the few chinese pilots in that air force.

If all you say is true, then USA must be overlord in ROC as on China and Taiwan. Then, pray tell, how did ROC lose China to PRC?

As I've said earlier, China as in ROC had no aircraft manufacturing and pilot training capacity. To fight Japanese warplanes off Chinese skies, they needed US supplies and training. Chiang sent Soong to US Congress to appeal for that and US Congress voted to agree. That was what incensed Japanese to raid Pearl Harbor. However, Chinese pilots were Chinese pilots, US trained but still Chinese by blood and bones. The loss of air superiority over China incensed Japan further to further brutalities on land battles that they dominated for many years. That was what resulted in war crime trials, not just mere war defeat or surrender.

If your point is ethnic Chinese make bad pilots, then let's await the next air dogfight battle. PRC since founding in 1949 has so far never lost a war.

 

[Ramseth]

flying tiger air group mainly consists of american, a few chinese pilots train under american, obey american command, and follow american tactics. Funny why you did not mention the american contribution, just talk about the few chinese pilots in that air force.

Because I'm Chinese and proud of them. Because there weren't a few of them but many of them. Chinese had to fight to defend China themselves. American tactics had nothing much to do with the Sino-Japanese leg of WW2. You think what? Americans are Chinese grandparents protecting their grandchildren?

 

[singveld]

Because I'm Chinese and proud of them. Because there weren't a few of them but many of them. Chinese had to fight to defend China themselves. American tactics had nothing much to do with the Sino-Japanese leg of WW2. You think what? Americans are Chinese grandparents protecting their grandchildren?

if they are a lot of chinese pilots, why do they have to go to america and request US president to approve their request to hire amercian pilots and ground staffs.

The japs written in their experience, that they would shock when they first encounter the flying tiger, before that, they are dominating the airspace, only after the american pilot step in, then japs airforce were push back.

you are chinese , but you should not rewrite history to boost your chinese pride.

 

[Ramseth]

if they are a lot of chinese pilots, why do they have to go to america and request US president to approve their request to hire amercian pilots and ground staffs.

When you didn't know how to manufacture aircraft and didn't know how to train pilots, enemies were bombing you, what would you do? I'm shocked, yes. Your anti-Chinese complex shocked me. I really hope you're not Chinese, not even 1/8th or 1/16th. I neither write nor rewrite history. You see me too up. I don't have that power.

 

[Spock]

without american logistic support and american pilot help, japs would wipe china out, and guess how chin repay american kindness, they invade them in korea. that how low chin will go.

The US was helping KMT, the USSR was helping CCP. CCP won the war for China. Korean war was a war over ideology, nothing to do with gratitude. Besides, China invading US in Korea doesn't even make sense.

 

[chuckyworld]

The flying tiger are not US air force they are AVG , They enlist in the chinese air force.

In the summer of 1941, months before America was drawn into World War II by the attack on Pearl Harbor, a small group of American military pilots was secretly being recruited to augment China's Air Force. At the head of this effort was a crusty, retired World War I Army Air Corps fighter pilot who had been hired by China to strengthen the Chinese Air Force. Because America was not at war with Japan, great care was taken to avoid bringing into question this nation's token neutrality. As a result, these volunteer pilots were required to resign their commissions with the US military, travel to China as civilians and enlist in the Chinese Air Force. These roughly 100 pilots and 200 support crew were officials known as "The First American Volunteer Group" or AVG. After their first combat on December 18, 1941, where they were highly outnumbered and very successful, a journalist wrote in his column, "they flew like tigers . . ." From that time on, they became known as the "Flying Tigers."

The Flying Tigers were disbanded and replaced by the US military seven months later on July 4, 1942, but during the intervening seven month period, they racked up one of the finest air combat records in history. This brief history of the AVG is told by one of their pilots, RT Smith, recruited from the US Army Air Corps.

 

[singveld]

The US was helping KMT, the USSR was helping CCP. CCP won the war for China. Korean war was a war over ideology, nothing to do with gratitude. Besides, China invading US in Korea doesn't even make sense.

but china did invade US force in korea

 

[singveld]

The flying tiger are not US air force they are AVG , They enlist in the chinese air force.

No one here said they are US air force.

 

[chuckyworld]

Why did the japanese easily took half of Eastern China, The chinese fight among themselves CCP vs KMT instead of fighting off the Japanese.

Look at Korean war, the UN has the most mordern weapons , the chinese has inferior weapons but they still kick the butt of UN......

 

[Sideswipe]

Chiang and Chennault wanted to win the China war by air and land power together but Stilwell during his time in China refused the air force adequate planes and supplies to realize those plans.

 

[chuckyworld]

China had no ammo arms feul and planes. It was the Americans who supplied them. Even the Chinese themselves recognised that.

Yes China doesn't has those, and are inferior armed, look at the japanese army they are very well equips, they still have a hard time fighting the chinese army, shouldn't it be a walk over since they are so well equip.

Americans did supply some of the equipments to the chinese army, the ground fighting was done by the chinese themselves.

India, China war wasn't India supply by the US and the brits, they still lost to ill equip chinese army......

 

[Sideswipe]

The US was helping KMT, the USSR was helping CCP. CCP won the war for China. Korean war was a war over ideology, nothing to do with gratitude. Besides, China invading US in Korea doesn't even make sense.

United States chose not to interfere in the Chinese civil war after the failure of Marshall Mission. that literally meant that the Americans had chosen to forsake the Kuomintang govt in China. on the other side, the Russians gave the Chinese Communists huge military and economic aids from 1945 onwards. the Americans and British both imposed an arm embargo on ROC from 1946 to 1948 and there were no other countries in the world where the KMT can get munitions from. the Marshall Mission had a disastrous effect on KMT psychologically and militarily. the balance of military power generally shifted in favor from KMT to the CCP from 1948 onwards.

 

[Sideswipe]

Why did the japanese easily took half of Eastern China, The chinese fight among themselves CCP vs KMT instead of fighting off the Japanese.
Look at Korean war, the UN has the most mordern weapons , the chinese has inferior weapons but they still kick the butt of UN......

the Russians provided air support to PRC during the Korean war and they trained and armed PVA's divisions as well.

UN's objective in the Korean war was a draw and stalemate. they achieved that. MacArthur was not allowed to open a second front on the mainland of China.

 

[mayliewwan]

You never heard of Germany's Red Baron or Canada's Billy Bishop during WW1??? If i am not mistaken, it was a German who wrote the book regarding the art of dogfighting

Chinese skies in the world's first air dogfight. That was even before the famous Battle of Britain.
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[mayliewwan]

Yes , you can rewrite history...just keep repeating lies and people will believe you

Joesph Goebbels famous words...if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it
Don't beieve it??? Just take a good look at those conspiracy theorists

W

I neither write nor rewrite history. You see me too up. I don't have that power.

 

[Sideswipe]

Yes China doesn't has those, and are inferior armed, look at the japanese army they are very well equips, they still have a hard time fighting the chinese army, shouldn't it be a walk over since they are so well equip.
Americans did supply some of the equipments to the chinese army, the ground fighting was done by the chinese themselves.
India, China war wasn't India supply by the US and the brits, they still lost to ill equip chinese army......

over 80% of US lend-lease aids ( goods and services ) were given to Britain and Russia to enable the allies to eventually defeat the Germans in the Western Front. 3% of lend-lease aids were given to China to bog down 2 millions Japanese forces in her continent sized country. before late 1943, China only received 0.2% of lend-lease when over 90% supplies were going to Europe.

can Soviet Russia defeat the Germans in the Eastern Front if they only received a few percent of lend-lease, not 20% from the Americans? China did very well in the war, the ROC contributions to WW2 victory was sadly undervalued and unappreciated by rest of the world.

 

[palden]

Japan field 1 plane Chinese field 100. Who will win? Even US are scared shitless.

 

[palden]

Egypt pilots fly halfway then it is prayer time. How to win israeli pilots?

The world's best fighter pilots on war records are Chinese in the late 1930s. Having only about 300 fighters, they fought a Japanese air force with about 1,500 fighters off Chinese skies in the world's first air dogfight. That was even before the famous Battle of Britain.

The popular movie term Flying Tigers team came from the Chinese Air Force. They were the first to be able to breach Japanese airspace when even the Americans and British couldn't. But they didn't drop bombs, they dropped pamphlets asking Japanese civilians to help persuade their government to end the war, otherwise next time they'd have no choice but to drop bombs. Too bad, they either didn't heed the advice or failed to persuade their government. When Americans finally managed to breach Japanese airspace, they brought along nukes and nuked them.

The second best should be Israeli Air Force pilots in the 1967 6-Day War. They blew off the entire Egyptian Air Force suffering practically zero casualty themselves. The third best should be British RAF pilots, first for that famous Battle of Britain versus German Luftwaffe, then for the Falklands with one aircraft carrier strength versus the entire Argentinian Air Force, then for Operation Desert Storm low level sorties.