Workers Party, Puppets/Cowards or the People's party?

[Fook Seng]

I predicted 40% would vote against the PAP and only 1 GRC would sway here and there......Should I than pat myself? Regretfully,I should not.Why?Because my contribution must have rang some alarm bells in the PAP quarters....which is the real reason for the popularity of the thread at that time.The part where LHL being the weakest link must have stroke the cord.And sure enough this time in 2011 GE LHL won above the national average to prove that wrong.Otherwise everything else were according to what I wrote.

You see, the Leegime is more afraid of it's cadres than WP or SDP.Our PAP ministers are monitored more than any opposition figures....therefore LHL as the PM must set the barometer in an election.And WP must also be presented as the only credible opposition.Why?Well,suppose if PAP MPs mutiny and switch side than forming another new party is not really an option.But turning to the next and nearest opposition political party that is in the parliament is.This is where Sylvia Lim comes handy......just observe her rise within the WP and that would answer you. Just look at how PAP appoints chairmanship in key institutions that need to be controlled,like SPH and GIC for example.

3 out 4 analysts would have projected a drop in PAP'sq share of votes and would gyrate to a round figure of 60%

 

[Forvendet]

3 out 4 analysts would have projected a drop in PAP'sq share of votes and would gyrate to a round figure of 60%

The 4th one is from SDP, projecting 90% for SDP.

 

[wwabbit]

I like how the thread is going.... I dont have a fav party yet... But wont it be good if all the opposition can just join one party, Then maybe it will be strong and be ready to take on PAP.

While it is true that there are some redundancy in the opposition parties, I don't believe that having only one opposition party is the best solution. While WP will most likely be the strongest party that will actually win a few seats in parliament, they still need a far-left party like SDP that although have no chance to win seats, but serve a purpose to bring up anti-PAP sentiments and issues that the WP don't want to get their hands dirty in.

 

[Conqueror]

PAP IB Style

this is the reality of politics in Singapore... you can either accept it, make the best out of it or whine nonstop or ship out

Wow ! You begin to sound like another PAP IB now.

 

[Conqueror]

Action Is Good, I Like It.

Hey don't generalise ok?

I'm Ah Pek ok? I dont mind you shout loud loud at these MFs, OK? You just dont know us Ah Peks and Ah Ums. We like to see action, ACTION! That including loud shouting, banging tables, doors, fists thumping on walls, raising fists, wagging finger, etc.

If we from the older gen dont set example for the young, where they got courage to face up to the new leaders?

Forever get bullied ah? No man!

Actually, looking back, had Chee done and gone on to achieve other more effective things, his shouting at that Extra Stupid Moron would have been rationalised out. Old Man shouted and berated everybody except maybe his late wife in private or public and he got away with it for 50 years.

Okay lah, okay lah, get your point lah. This Ah Peh is diff from the other type lah. The word generalise is actually general, common, majority, etc. Majority means 65 % ? 75 or 85 ? 95 percent is steep. Don't few bad you know. Perhaps, you really belong to the minority. Action is good, we need more men who can fight.

 

[Conqueror]

Chee Is Good !

Dont agree bro. Just like good cop bad cop routine, you must have parties like WP and people like Chee. Wont say Chee serves no purpose; it's only a different one. But we still need Opp of all ilk. First take down or humble the PAP, then we talk about sharing the spoils.

You want to flatten a nail, sometimes you can use a shoe if the hammer is not always available.

Or in Deng's words, It dont matter if the cat is white or black as long as it catches mice.

It is good that we can have more SDP and Chee supporters. I felt sorry for Chiam. He was supposed to be the king but was overthrown because of his indecision. Overthrowing Chiam is a bad start for SDP branding. But, one must say that Chee is a very different person compared to Chiam and Low TK. The latter two cannot be compared to his tenacity to fight for a true republic. I hope that Chee will get more supporters before the next coming GE.

Sitting and warming the seats is a bad thing for any oppo party. But, there's really nothing else to do then wait for another 5 years ? How many 5 years do you have in your lifetime ? At this trickling speed, the fire will become bigger by then. It will probably be too late - too many here.

In short, everyone plays a part for the demise of this fascist regime.

 

[Nice-Gook]

When one starts to nitpick on Chee,Low,Chiam and etc...that they have politically erred on this and that and therefore their problem is....

Politics is really our problem ; yours & mine.Not Chees,Chiams and Lows.They can simply stop politicking and even quit this country.End of the day it's us who pay the price for PAP politics;directly or indirectly.PAP pro foreigners hurts everyone of us in our pockets.So are their obscene pay packets.We bear the brunt.Not the Chees,Chiams and Lows because they are in politics.

If a change is desired than the onus is entirely ours to bring that about.People like LHL,Chee,Low and Chiam are merely managers.The hiring and firing power still rest in our hands.Therefore,for heavens sake,do not discuss politics as it's somebody's business.It's your fuken business.

 

[brocoli]

Dont agree bro. Just like good cop bad cop routine, you must have parties like WP and people like Chee. Wont say Chee serves no purpose; it's only a different one. But we still need Opp of all ilk. First take down or humble the PAP, then we talk about sharing the spoils.

You want to flatten a nail, sometimes you can use a shoe if the hammer is not always available.

Or in Deng's words, It dont matter if the cat is white or black as long as it catches mice.

this is a very seductive notion .... until you get 3 corner fight .... the faster we get rid of all other party, the faster we move to a 2 party system, the faster we erode PAP 2/3 majority ...

its so simple i dunno why none of you get it,,??? didnt PE 2016 show the result??? more choice is not always better... We just need 1 choice who can beat PAP.... not many who lose deposit... its so easy for PAP to split the votes as long as many parties exist?? arent we doin it now???

who forget about GMS always ranting about MK?? there wun be this issue as long as there is only 1 party? eriic tan also wun quite because there is no other party for him to hop to...

.But turning to the next and nearest opposition political party that is in the parliament is.This is where Sylvia Lim comes handy......just observe her rise within the WP and that would answer you. Just look at how PAP appoints chairmanship in key institutions that need to be controlled,like SPH and GIC for example.
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.p...his-government.

I just say the truth as i see it and I am an IB... and you are calling Sylvia Lim an PAP appointed chairman... and no1 rebut... this really is SDP and PAP infested forums.... i hope you get sue your ass off... and you kid born with no anus
kannina chao cheebye....

you think its farking easy for Sylvia Lim to go thru all the bills and amendments line by line and think of all the implications, trying to see how PAP can fark us with every sentence and she still have to take care of the cleanliness of the estate... they are not like LIm hwee Hua ... got the entie PAP grassroot and civil servants to suck their cock for them ok?

you know how easy it is to be chee....?? just be a clown, publish some books, make some motherhood statements... and attend some conference... and make some noice occasionally ...

does chee ever have to hear residents complaint this place that place not clean ?
how can a place be permanently clean unless the farking residents dun litter?
has chee ever have to go and liaise with contractor, squeeze every single cent out of the sinking fund to give free upgrading ?? does chee go cycling at midnight around the state to check the estate is clean.,..

does he have to sing malay song for the residents ??? huh???


FARK your whole FAMILY ** ***** for calling Sylvia Lim an PAP appointed CHairman



all of you ah pek who disses WP and CHIam and respect chee totally disgust me... this forum is full of farkin ingrates...
you think football is like championship manager, buy messi, ronaldo and bang bang bang , win championship... jin sexy
football is bout space, tactics, patience, training schedule, fit regime, physio, dietician.... and the entire club support staffs

any1 can be a kopitiam pundit ... but please shut your dirty mouth and go and do something useful..... if you dun have anything useful to say....

i also can say I predict this predict that ... but you did not help make it happen ... you only sit back and open your big mouth and when something go wrong you just whine like a baby ,,,comprain people not doin enough when you done nuthing

Wohoo,what a great lunch.Good mood lah.

Thereby another prediction.Mark my words it's gonna unfold slowly but surely.

Just look at WP team in Aljunied GRC .Almost all lawyers except 1--LTK lah.Soon our secretary-general would be outflanked and outalked in our parliament .The gauntlet is already thrown by Mah ;who stripped Low of the only asset he possessed ; an ability to connect with Mandarin speakers.Have you wondered why our MSM went goo goo gah gah over Mah's Mandarin maiden speech?...It's all part of the big picture mah.Low days are numbered.Ok,it has always been ever since Syliva Lim barged into WP.....Just one more thing,have you guys fail to notice ex-cops in this forum who claim WP membership always butt in as ,oh Sylivia would say this and that?Heck,is Low not the powerful secretary general of WP?....Besides ,our Sylvia Lim do have a police background too.And if any ex cop who is a forummer claims to be a WP member just ask him/her to show you the date he/her joined.I bet it most likely to concide with Sylvia Lim's.

Low is going low in the next five years.He knew that pretty well too.At least he would not have a bunch of ex-cops to monitor his every move meh !

stop your PAP lies... Low is 55 , he will run for @ most 1 election and step down.... are you saying that every1 should be like chiam and lky ?
does trust any1 and still clinging on to power when their bodies cant make it....

ideally LOW should just shut up and lets his proteges run the show from 2016 onward. that will be his greatest sucess, even more spectacular than the GRC win..


and who the fark is Mah??? Mah Bow tan? you dun even know the names of politican and you wan to come here and spread lies... please fark off lah

:oIo::oIo:

While it is true that there are some redundancy in the opposition parties, I don't believe that having only one opposition party is the best solution. While WP will most likely be the strongest party that will actually win a few seats in parliament, they still need a far-left party like SDP that although have no chance to win seats, but serve a purpose to bring up anti-PAP sentiments and issues that the WP don't want to get their hands dirty in.

as long as SDP exist ... WP cant get their hand dirty... because of fear of association

There are some who will continue to vote for toilets and dono what. It's a shame to the nation that the people are not united. They only care for themselves and not for a better tomorrow as a team.

this is the reality of politics in Singapore... you can either accept it, make the best out of it or whine nonstop or ship out

Wow ! You begin to sound like another PAP IB now.

well i agree with you that sinkies are liddat ... and you say i sound like PAP IB ..... hmmm ... that say alot a lot of you ...

there are a lot of championship manger here .... always fantasizing about some dream teams, some grand strategic move...alot of what if... but all these ah pek dun even know how the ball move or look like .... to simply fat and lazy to go out and talk to sinkies

i consider myself a bookie... i bet my money on what I think the situation is, not how many goal a fan like to see his team score...

When one starts to nitpick on Chee,Low,Chiam and etc...that they have politically erred on this and that and therefore their problem is....

Politics is really our problem ; yours & mine.Not Chees,Chiams and Lows.They can simply stop politicking and even quit this country.End of the day it's us who pay the price for PAP politics;directly or indirectly.PAP pro foreigners hurts everyone of us in our pockets.So are their obscene pay packets.We bear the brunt.Not the Chees,Chiams and Lows because they are in politics.

If a change is desired than the onus is entirely ours to bring that about.People like LHL,Chee,Low and Chiam are merely managers.The hiring and firing power still rest in our hands.Therefore,for heavens sake,do not discuss politics as it's somebody's business.It's your fuken business.

i agree you for once, its everybody biz

 

[Windsor]

When one starts to nitpick on Chee,Low,Chiam and etc...that they have politically erred on this and that and therefore their problem is....

Politics is really our problem ; yours & mine.Not Chees,Chiams and Lows.They can simply stop politicking and even quit this country.End of the day it's us who pay the price for PAP politics;directly or indirectly.PAP pro foreigners hurts everyone of us in our pockets.So are their obscene pay packets.We bear the brunt.Not the Chees,Chiams and Lows because they are in politics.

If a change is desired than the onus is entirely ours to bring that about.People like LHL,Chee,Low and Chiam are merely managers.The hiring and firing power still rest in our hands.Therefore,for heavens sake,do not discuss politics as it's somebody's business.It's your fuken business.

i am surprised that you were not here when this Section was so heated up before the elections and during the EP Elections. If you have, I might have missed your posts for which I apologise.

I was vainly attempting to get everyone on the same bandwagon by having a consensus and then to go from there. As usual, the disparate opinions and the selfish "I am right" and headstrong prefers to go each their own way. The TKL saga had a number of threads and we had many voices joining SBF especially to rebut the naysayers. Then we have GMS and some others stubbornly supporting TKL despite many forumers here saying he was not suitable. TKL even joined SBF to make threats that we were besmirching his good name.

To cut the story short, the in-fighting in SBF and I supposed the same scenario was being repeated in other political arenas. United we stand, divided we fall. On hindsight, we could have done better if candidates and voters were gracious enough to stand aside for the better good. The incumbents know this game better than us peasants, and even now we still have several people having strong views and dividing us all. Will we ever learn that we are doing ourselves a disservice? The voice of reason certainly fell on totally deaf ears and sorry to say thick skulls.

I might add also that SBF due to the nature of how it is being administered, makes it difficult to identify and removed the IB's sowing discord among the genuine members. We have no one here willing to stand up and identify alternate nicks with their hidden agenda.

 

[steffychun]

If you guys can give a detailed example that human rights and freedom (to promote LGBTs etc) for the betterment of Singapore, then choose SDP.

 

[psy83]

If you guys can give a detailed example that human rights and freedom (to promote LGBTs etc) for the betterment of Singapore, then choose SDP.

Human Rights/freedom is just one part for the betterment of Singapore/Singaporeans, But without this.. the fundamental to bring Singapore forward will not be solid enough. I see Human Rights/freedom a part that is very important to the Mentality/Awareness of Singaporeans, Basically It opens them up and makes them better people, It makes people more aware and people are treated Fairly and accordingly.. Without Human Rights/freedom, There will be continue to be a Quota of Races in HDB, ISA ACT, Policemen not treating you fairly(You dont have any rights when dealing with Authority, Non-Government Organization like Cisco can fuck you up), Racism in the Armed Forces, People like Johavan witness will have to serve Prison, Death penalty, Holding on to my CPF money, Not allowing Singaporean to have Work Holiday visas, Not letting me Watch/read things i want to watch/Read, Freedom of speech, And basically Dictating what you can/cannot. (There is still about 30 other things i can list.. What i have listed are small/medium Things, There are still lots of Major things that are missing in Singapore for the betterment of Singapore/Singaporeans with the absents of Human Rights.

Politics = Government = Government meaning Governing and Governing and Human Rights is part of Politics.

Basically Steffychun is promoting Communism in Singapore.

Look at the problems in China... The economy is doing very well but there is a clear Absents of Human rights/freedom that allows civil servants to continue to treat its people like shit.

 

[brocoli]

Human Rights/freedom is just one part for the betterment of Singapore/Singaporeans, But without this.. the fundamental to bring Singapore forward will not be solid enough. I see Human Rights/freedom a part that is very important to the Mentality/Awareness of Singaporeans, Basically It opens them up and makes them better people, It makes people more aware and people are treated Fairly and accordingly.. Without Human Rights/freedom, There will be continue to be a Quota of Races in HDB, ISA ACT, Policemen not treating you fairly(You dont have any rights when dealing with Authority, Non-Government Organization like Cisco can fuck you up), Racism in the Armed Forces, People like Johavan witness will have to serve Prison, Death penalty, Holding on to my CPF money, Not allowing Singaporean to have Work Holiday visas, Not letting me Watch/read things i want to watch/Read, Freedom of speech, And basically Dictating what you can/cannot. (There is still about 30 other things i can list.. What i have listed are small/medium Things, There are still lots of Major things that are missing in Singapore for the betterment of Singapore/Singaporeans with the absents of Human Rights.

Politics = Government = Government meaning Governing and Governing and Human Rights is part of Politics.

Basically Steffychun is promoting Communism in Singapore.

Look at the problems in China... The economy is doing very well but there is a clear Absents of Human rights/freedom that allows civil servants to continue to treat its people like shit.

you dunno how farkin dense you sound...

its not WP who dun care about human right but chao sinkies ... for WP to improve human rights law in singapore they need to win seats 1st by attending to what the MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS want 1st ... not WHAT YOU WAN

you obviously never heard of Maslow hierarchy of needs...
because SDP consisitently pursue foreign agenda not not voters agenda that is why they always got the lowest vote....

look at american politics.... their presidential candidates are all dumb on foreign policy even though they are the most powerful naton in the world?? why? because american voter dun care about foreign policy ??? why dun care ? because they are the most powerful naton in the world


all the issue you mention :
Quota of Races in HDB, ISA ACT, Policemen not treating you fairly(You dont have any rights when dealing with Authority, Non-Government Organization like Cisco can fuck you up), Racism in the Armed Forces, People like Johavan witness serve Prison, Death penalty, Holding on to CPF money, Not allowing Singaporean to have Work Holiday visas, Not letting you Watch/read things i want to watch/Read, Freedom of speech

is not due to human rights but due to 1 party system withou 2 party system , human rights will imporve because of compeititon

so we need to vote in the party that can win seat ... not vote SDP that perpetuate 1 Party system...

i dun expect you will understand this post since you are quite dense...

 

[psy83]

I think you are having a psychotic episode, You sound like someone who is suffering from Psychosis.

 

[methink]

you dunno how farkin dense you sound...

so we need to vote in the party that can win seat ... not vote SDP that perpetuate 1 Party system...

i dun expect you will understand this post since you are quite dense...

Looks like you are the dense one..."so we need to vote in the party that can win seat ... not vote SDP that perpetuate 1 Party system..."

Brocoli, by stating the above, you are confirmed PAP IB! We all know who has been advocating a 1 party state. You must be very dense not to recognise the devil himself, LKY.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Politics is everybody biz eh....so everybody agrees on this hor?

That's human rights.

That is what 'magna carta' signed in 15 June 1215 in all about.I am talking about the The Great Charter of the Liberties of England, and of the Liberties of the Forest.

You see,PAP apologists are quite dense actually. Forgive them for such stupidity for its the continuum extending from the extremely stupid to the extremely immoral.An immorality that money buys.

 

[Fook Seng]

The 4th one is from SDP, projecting 90% for SDP.

To be fair to them, they were projecting just 70 to 75 %, a slightly smaller error margin.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Looks like you are the dense one..."so we need to vote in the party that can win seat ... not vote SDP that perpetuate 1 Party system..."

Brocoli, by stating the above, you are confirmed PAP IB! We all know who has been advocating a 1 party state. You must be very dense not to recognise the devil himself, LKY.

Never ever underestimate your opponent.That is the first rule of engagement.Didn't Sun Tzu say ,' know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.?

All misquotes and mistakes by IBs are deliberate.It's a baiting game.Once baited you would see their lingo metamorphose to fine art of mudslinging--it would develop somewhere between argumentum ad hominem to circular logic.

PAP does outsource it's IB portfolios.The better ones comes from KL because they understand our ground zero.However,the best I had ever came across were ethnic Indians in US.One was a professor in Berkeley.The logic was so warped that an existence of empirical cow in a vacum can be established.Such is the finery and finesse of language used.

 

[Perspective]

Never ever underestimate your opponent.That is the first rule of engagement.Didn't Sun Tzu say ,' know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.?

It's interesting that one of pro-SDP methods mention this because people have for years encouraged Dr Chee and SDP in this sense to know the enemy better. Do you know that in Sun Zi's dictionary, there are two words not found in Dr Chee's dictionary. One is "retreat" and one is "make friends with enemy".

 

[Nice-Gook]

It's interesting that one of pro-SDP methods mention this because people have for years encouraged Dr Chee and SDP in this sense to know the enemy better. Do you know that in Sun Zi's dictionary, there are two words not found in Dr Chee's dictionary. One is "retreat" and one is "make friends with enemy".

Har,what you wrote makes too much sense and detracts from the happy comforting notions mistakenly held by all Alfrescoians . So please desist from posting what you just did. Or are you shooting for Chee's job. ..... Just kidding lah.

A man's worth is measured by his enemy's respect.I bet if one of LKY daughter brings Dr.Chee as a marriage material ; I have no doubt both the pa and ma would be dancing all night around Istana Angsana trees -bollywood style.

And talking about reteat and making friends with enemy in the context of Leegime is like Gandhi's non violence doctrine against Japanese Imperialist.It simply won't work .

 

[brocoli]

Looks like you are the dense one..."so we need to vote in the party that can win seat ... not vote SDP that perpetuate 1 Party system..."

Brocoli, by stating the above, you are confirmed PAP IB! We all know who has been advocating a 1 party state. You must be very dense not to recognise the devil himself, LKY.

We need to vote in the OPP party that can win seats and eventually unseat PAP and THat is WP...
i dunno how dat confirmed me as PAP IBs...
you are obviously trying to distort what I am saying by trying to imply that I am saying vote for PAP.... by nit picking on 1 sentence ...

I write more than 400 word and you try to make lies, distort and confuse... really wonder who s the IBs here...

Politics is everybody biz eh....so everybody agrees on this hor?

That's human rights.

That is what 'magna carta' signed in 15 June 1215 in all about.I am talking about the The Great Charter of the Liberties of England, and of the Liberties of the Forest.

You see,PAP apologists are quite dense actually. Forgive them for such stupidity for its the continuum extending from the extremely stupid to the extremely immoral.An immorality that money buys.

every1 here agree human rights is impt... but the reality is most sinkies dun care... harping on this while opp havent won enough votes do no 1 any good... I see what you are trying to .. do
smear whoever disagree with you as a anti human rights

Never ever underestimate your opponent.That is the first rule of engagement.Didn't Sun Tzu say ,' know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.?

All misquotes and mistakes by IBs are deliberate.It's a baiting game.Once baited you would see their lingo metamorphose to fine art of mudslinging--it would develop somewhere between argumentum ad hominem to circular logic.

PAP does outsource it's IB portfolios.The better ones comes from KL because they understand our ground zero.However,the best I had ever came across were ethnic Indians in US.One was a professor in Berkeley.The logic was so warped that an existence of empirical cow in a vacum can be established.Such is the finery and finesse of language used.

the only 1 doin any m&d slinging is you ... calling sylvia a PAP appoint chairman, trying to imply there is power struggle in WP/....
All your misquotes and mistakes are deliberate. and calling chen show mao Mah are deliberate. I guess

dun nid to describe you modus operandi here.. just try and contribute, not spread rumour about WP and calling other forumer IBs...

It's interesting that one of pro-SDP methods mention this because people have for years encouraged Dr Chee and SDP in this sense to know the enemy better. Do you know that in Sun Zi's dictionary, there are two words not found in Dr Chee's dictionary. One is "retreat" and one is "make friends with enemy".

the Nice-Gook is obviously not pro opp... he just wan to spread lies and confusion... sound like Tan Jee Say who say he "won" .. yea he did manage to sabo Tan CHeng Bock sucessfully dats what he mean

if you opp do not get behind the 1 opp who can win seats and wan to slander them... then prepare for PE2011 to repeat which is what some of you want anyway ,.,,, KANNINA BU CHAO CHEE BYE

all I have done is this thread is to highlight that a need for a 2 party system and the reality of politics, writing farking long post and the ah peks here only know hoe to rebut with 2 alphabets, IB with any substantial ...

this thread have degenerate into SDP self wanking thread... hope you guys enjoy yourself...

the quality of discussion here is even lower than EDMW...