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SgParent

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Nah. I have much BIGGER perspective than that. Small minds only think about such things.
you are welcome to think otherwise.

how people think of you is by your action and we all know action speaks louder.

unless you want to suggest that anti-rabid goh ms is fashionable if not papsmearer is no where to be seen and only leong sam if left to be your strongest supporter which says a lot about your credibility.
 

GoldenDragon

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Nah. I have much BIGGER perspective than that. Small minds only think about such things.

Well although LTK talked about "walking its own path" but inevitably, WP's bad performance will definitely affect public confidence in ALL opposition parties. That's the inevitable impact on democratic development for Singapore. This is the ultimate disappointment I have about WP.

Goh Meng Seng

There is always two sides to a coin. It will surely disappoint you but informed sources have reported that the WP is still going strong in Aljunied, Hougang and PE. Errors on the part of WP is a small price to pay. Who is perfect?

Bet on this - WP will increase on their percentage in Hougang, PE and Aljunied. And the key leaders in PAP are prepared.
 

Papsmearer

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impact? what impact?

if hl park protest is any useful it will be shutdown before you could finish typing the word itself. the fact it is still open for registration and not many applications got rejected strongly suggests the white scums are happy to let dreamers like you, rn, hhh to shake hands with liked-minded dreamers, massage their own ego.

When Cabinet Minister Tan Chuan-Jin stalks talking about enhancing CPF Life because " Many members of public from outside the house have also raised the issues of CPF interest rates and returns. Some have asked if the CPF interest rates should be higher in order to withstand inflation", you know he is referring to Roy and others like him, I would say that it was an impact. Notice he never mentioned that the WP from within the house was raising the issue of the CPF interest rate. And since when has the PAP been so concerned about the members of the public from outside the house. Its obvious to a blind man that the PAP is indeed reacting to all the criticism generated by Roy and other bloggers. Of course people like you will always be blind, you just don't see it.
 

Papsmearer

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There is always two sides to a coin. It will surely disappoint you but informed sources have reported that the WP is still going strong in Aljunied, Hougang and PE. Errors on the part of WP is a small price to pay. Who is perfect?

Bet on this - WP will increase on their percentage in Hougang, PE and Aljunied. And the key leaders in PAP are prepared.

Yes, I would expect the WP and other oppo parties to increase their percentage. If for no other reason than the situation for sinkies have gotten worse since the last election. Namely, more FTs, more crowdedness, more expensive housing, more cost of living etc. That's no big revelation. What do you mean when you say the WP is going strong in Aljunied, Hougang, etc.? You mean they are doing a good job of handling the conservancy fees? The estates are cleaned? There are no rats running around? You know how pathetic that sounds?

I am talking about the big picture here. I am talking about the WP standing in PArliament and pointing a finger at the PAP fucks across the room and shouting "Give us our fucking CPF back" or "Stopping letting in more shit talents" or "Stop giving free scholarships to foreign students while our own students pay like hell", etc. Go big or go home.
 

Belgarath

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It is undoubted consensus among lots of observers and even hardcore anti-PAP/ opposition supporters that WP has a mediocre performance in Parliament. Granted, people could still be apologetic about that because WP's main branding, is basically based on prudent management of Town Council and consistency in its ground work. This is important to win over middle ground voters who might be skeptical of voting for an unknown entity to run their TC and screw it up for them. Such direct cost to them will be unbearable even though they might want more opposition voices in parliament. Thus, WP could well win the support of this critical group of voters which may just become the king makers.

But now, even that little advantage WP has, is blowing up like a dynamite. Its FMSS management team has screwed up the management of TC. How would you convince this group of people to vote for WP again? Time will tell but these are the basis of my utter disappointment. If WP cannot keeps its house in order but continue to give lots of irrelevant excuses, it will further dent its own credibility and deemed lack of integrity and accountability.


Everything you've said is either an exaggeration of the facts, or a dishonest misrepresentation, or is non sequitur. WP has been weak debaters is parliament - YES, but to claim they are mediocre is a biased observation, not an objective one. 7 MPs versus 80 PAP MPs is a David vs Goliath situation.

The parliamentary aspect also does not impact their votes. I suspect along with many others that in fact, WP's vote share will increase in the next GE. Not because people see WP as becoming stronger and stronger, but that people are getting more and more fed up with PAP. What could be tolerated in 2011 may not be tolerated today any longer. Read Alex Au's explosion meteor article.

As for the TC, you have basically taken the PAP side and claim they have screwed things up royally. That is purely the PAP version. It is hardly the rock solid truth grounded in actual statistics. The question is why are you doing the PAP's work? It should be KBW and Vivienne Balakrishnan who should be going around doing the dirty work. There is no need for a so-called commentator like you to be doing the work on behalf of million dollar PAP ministers.
 

Papsmearer

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Everything you've said is either an exaggeration of the facts, or a dishonest misrepresentation, or is non sequitur. WP has been weak debaters is parliament - YES, but to claim they are mediocre is a biased observation, not an objective one. 7 MPs versus 80 PAP MPs is a David vs Goliath situation.

7 oppo MPs earning a combine monthly salary of $112,000, protected 100% form anything they say in Parliament due to Parliamentary Privilege, and with a whole party apparatus behind them is David versus Goliath? than what is Roy Ngerng by himself with no support other than his own blog against the PAP? He is a FUCKING SUPERHERO COMPARED TO THE WP PUSSIES, OK? David versus Goliath my ass. Its stupid shits like you that expect so little and have such low standards from your MPs that caused the problems we are in today. WP or PAP, it doesn't matter. They get paid the same. We know what the PAP MPs do other than sleep in Parliament and talk shit in public, nothing. we expect the WP MPs to do much better and not rely on their apologists like you to defend them for their inaction with fuck excuses like David VS Goliath.
 

SgParent

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When Cabinet Minister Tan Chuan-Jin stalks talking about enhancing CPF Life because " Many members of public from outside the house have also raised the issues of CPF interest rates and returns. Some have asked if the CPF interest rates should be higher in order to withstand inflation", you know he is referring to Roy and others like him, I would say that it was an impact. Notice he never mentioned that the WP from within the house was raising the issue of the CPF interest rate. And since when has the PAP been so concerned about the members of the public from outside the house. Its obvious to a blind man that the PAP is indeed reacting to all the criticism generated by Roy and other bloggers. Of course people like you will always be blind, you just don't see it.
mere hint only you already wet between your laps? already happy like strike toto?

when lui *uck y** proposed taking back public transport from private entities did he mention wp?
 

tanwahp

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He will certainly try to. :wink:

He will mostly likely not, or even never, be seen again as a candidate, whether he want to or try to. And he knows it is very possible that his electoral fray has ended. Why do you think he is loudening his rants? To seek a space/niche outside electoral politics.

Unlike people like Tan Lead Shake, GMS does have expectation of the party brand and constituency he will contest if he runs. At the same time, we are at an era where opposition parties find it easier to gain enough recruits. The only parties that will open their doors to him are those like RP and SDA, that he will not want anyways.

Add: As for this forum is concerned, the point is whether to continue engaging him like used to. Every short trip back to this forum, we see him going up a few notches in the contradiction meter, disingenuous meter and dodgy meter, such that it has become no different from talking to Skpunggol, Swissbank or Sochi. Might as well let him speak and listen to himself.
 
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eatshitndie

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he is one of them.

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jw5

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Points noted. But whether he stands as a candidate or rants in this forum, he can be rather entertaining. :p

Although he doesn't seem to get it that we still need to vote opposition, whatever their flaws or his personal disagreements. :wink:

He will mostly likely not, or even never, be seen again as a candidate, whether he want to or try to. And he knows it is very possible that his electoral fray has ended. Why do you think he is loudening his rants? To seek a space/niche outside electoral politics.

Unlike people like Tan Lead Shake, GMS does have expectation of the party brand and constituency he will contest if he runs. At the same time, we are at an era where opposition parties find it easier to gain enough recruits. The only parties that will open their doors to him are those like RP and SDA, that he will not want anyways.

Add: As for this forum is concerned, the point is whether to continue engaging him like used to. Every short trip back to this forum, we see him going up a few notches in the contradiction meter, disingenuous meter and dodgy meter, such that it has become no different from talking to Skpunggol, Swissbank or Sochi. Might as well let him speak and listen to himself.
 

yellowarse

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If you're a true opposition supporter, you'll vote for whatever opposition party is standing in your ward. Ultimate aim is to unseat PAP as govt.

People who'd rather vote for a monkey than GMS are fake oppo supporters, probably part of the PAP IB.
 

Seee3

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.......

People who'd rather vote for a monkey than GMS are fake oppo supporters, probably part of the PAP IB.
Have to disagree on that. Don't mind voting in a B team as long as they don't tarnish the image of opp but would never vote someone out to sabotage the credibility of opp.

When we have a so-called business man who repeatedly put in writing that a quotation is the same as an invoice, we know what he is up to.
 
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