Undermining WP in this forum

[zhihau]

read for youself

bro,

providing the hyperlinks for your previous posts suffice.

 

[captainxerox]

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huh? why ....... you deleted your posts?

 

[mojito]

Must be interesting!
Anyone who subscribed to the thread, can help repost skponggol's posts in this thread? Thanks...

 

[Perspective]

huh? why ....... you deleted your posts?

His buddy the NSP fat village insect imagines "WP members" everywhere and he lagi better, he promotes these imaginary WP "members" to "cadres". Don't have to read posts from a bunch of losers.

 

[aurvandil]

6) No one expected the outcome. Bold and clinical

Not really true. The WP insiders here most certainly knew. LTK wanted to chop a lot earlier. He however didn't have the necessary support. Even in the end, there wasn't a unanimous decision to sack YSL.

Also interesting in a report in ShinMin abt an emergency last minute WP meeting 2 days prior to the actual sacking. Not many people knew about the meeting. The fact that it got leaked gives you an idea of where the msm was getting their info from.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Scroobal,

I am sorry to say that you have it almost all wrong.

PAP is PAP, WP is opposition even tough you like to see them on par with PAP. PAP controls every machinery, including the MSM, WP don't. To equate them is utterly naive. Thus, you cannot say PAP side need to "apologize" means WP don't need to. PAP fought with its controlled machineries, WP as opposition fought with moral high ground.

Whether it is PRC woman or Indian woman, it is just a matter of time they will surface. PAP controls machineries like ISD. You are just naive like YSL who thinks that PAP doesn't know anything about his hobby. Have you ever wonder why that PRC woman has to confess with tears and such? Most likely she was forced to, under circumstances.

You may think WP is safe now, "came out smelling like roses". Tell you the truth, you contradict yourself. WP has suffered damages for dragging its feet on this matter. Yes, only for people like you who insist that WP do not say anything because PAP also like that, they don't expect it.

The crisis is far from over yet. The whole incident has planted a bomb ticking within WP.

Goh Meng Seng

Couple of summary points on this affair.

1) GD provided a list of infidelity amongst PAP MPs as well cabinet minister besides what I have provided. PAP and many political parties consider these private and tend to handle it discreetly. There is also a generals understanding by the press not reveal such things

2) GMS proposal to come and apologise is rubbish.

3) Ramseth identified the correct trigger point which is the PRC and her telling comments

4) YSL's conduct in handling this is less than poor. His arrogant remarks to the press was an early indictor. He failure to explain himself is consistent with this poor performance

5) WP met adversity in the face and came out smelling like roses. They have showed their mettle.

6) No one expected the outcome. Bold and clinical

7) Frankly what back stabbing, conspiracy, mole etc?? It just one horny bugger who screwed around too many times and it was bound to come out sooner or later with or without conspiracy, backstabbing, leaks etc

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Not really true. The WP insiders here most certainly knew. LTK wanted to chop a lot earlier. He however didn't have the necessary support. Even in the end, there wasn't a unanimous decision to sack YSL.

Also interesting in a report in ShinMin abt an emergency last minute WP meeting 2 days prior to the actual sacking. Not many people knew about the meeting. The fact that it got leaked gives you an idea of where the msm was getting their info from.

Sorry, Aurvandil, I really have to object. You don't chop a sitting MP without dire circumstances, no matter what. No matter how many permutations you play out it will be negative for you and the party.

LTK took a risk with YSL which was in my opinion uncharacteristic of him as he is well known to be risk averse. Nonetheless, a lapse of judgment on his part plus (apparent) strong internal support for YSL pre-May 2011 resulted in YSL becoming MP.

LTK and the CEC had no choice in the sacking. It was either that, or a far worse outcome.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Have you ever wonder why that PRC woman has to confess with tears and such? Most likely she was forced to, under circumstances.

Goh Meng Seng

Hmmm now that you mention it. Yes the interview sounded staged, managed.

But the rest of your post I must strongly disagree. WP did the best under the circumstances. Remember sometimes the choice is not between a good & bad option, but between a bad and worse option.

As for ticking time bomb, I would look into your head first.

 

[wikiphile]

Hmmm now that you mention it. Yes the interview sounded staged, managed.

But the rest of your post I must strongly disagree. WP did the best under the circumstances. Remember sometimes the choice is not between a good & bad option, but between a bad and worse option.

As for ticking time bomb, I would look into your head first.

Choping him was probably the best of worst solutions coming from them. YSL was in the exco and held appointments and knows the inner workings of the WP and its exco. (mind you they can be a tightlipped bunch)

Chopping non core members like GMS and JG is nothing, chopping off YSL is another.

 

[ThePlen]

WP chose the "cut your losses" option. it is not pretty, but it still allows them to maintain some sort of street cred. besides, its still 4 more years to election and people are forgetful.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Scroobal,

I am sorry to say that you have it almost all wrong.

PAP is PAP, WP is opposition even tough you like to see them on par with PAP. PAP controls every machinery, including the MSM, WP don't. To equate them is utterly naive. Thus, you cannot say PAP side need to "apologize" means WP don't need to. PAP fought with its controlled machineries, WP as opposition fought with moral high ground.

Whether it is PRC woman or Indian woman, it is just a matter of time they will surface. PAP controls machineries like ISD. You are just naive like YSL who thinks that PAP doesn't know anything about his hobby. Have you ever wonder why that PRC woman has to confess with tears and such? Most likely she was forced to, under circumstances.

You may think WP is safe now, "came out smelling like roses". Tell you the truth, you contradict yourself. WP has suffered damages for dragging its feet on this matter. Yes, only for people like you who insist that WP do not say anything because PAP also like that, they don't expect it.

The crisis is far from over yet. The whole incident has planted a bomb ticking within WP.

Goh Meng Seng

This post makes a lot of sense.

With a rider that PAP has planted a mole(s) in WP highest hierarchy.




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My speculation is that it got do with all the ex-SPF.

 

[Ramseth]

WP chose the "cut your losses" option. it is not pretty, but it still allows them to maintain some sort of street cred. besides, its still 4 more years to election and people are forgetful.

There's no other option to choose from once YSL decided to run. YSL was the one who made the decision.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Choping him was probably the best of worst solutions coming from them. YSL was in the exco and held appointments and knows the inner workings of the WP and its exco. (mind you they can be a tightlipped bunch)

Chopping non core members like GMS and JG is nothing, chopping off YSL is another.

Chopping GMS and JG was probably what saved WP post GE-2006.

 

[wikiphile]

Chopping GMS and JG was probably what saved WP post GE-2006.

Life can be very funny, what some see as garbage some seen as gems. All it depends on is the POV, perhaps the elders of SDP and NSP saw something extraordinary (stupid?) in them?

 

[aurvandil]

Sorry, Aurvandil, I really have to object. You don't chop a sitting MP without dire circumstances, no matter what. No matter how many permutations you play out it will be negative for you and the party.

You misunderstand me. I am not commenting on LTK's decision to sack YSL. I am describing the sequence of events. To recap:

1) LTK was an early advocate of sacking YSL.

2) LTK was unable to do so initially because he did not have enough support within WP.

3) As events developed, LTK gained the necessary support to proceed with sacking.

4) At the time of the sacking, YSL still had supporters in the CEC who voted against his sacking.

5) WP needs to seriously examine their top leaders. Based on what the press was able to publish, it obvious that there were people in the top leadership that were talking to the press. Whether these are enemies of YSL or top leadership trying to force the hand of those against the sacking of YSL is something that remains to be determined.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Haha... you miss the point totally. It is the failure to chop YSL in post 2006 that created all this mess now.

Goh Meng Seng

Chopping GMS and JG was probably what saved WP post GE-2006.

 

[Ramseth]

Haha... you miss the point totally. It is the failure to chop YSL in post 2006 that created all this mess now.

Totally blindside hindsight comment. What had YSL did wrong in GE 2006 to warrant chopping?

 

[rainnix]

the only persons I have Undermining in this forum is Scoobal, aurvandil and TFBH .... they like to appear until jin satki.... like PAP they think they know everything .... now eat shit...

to accuse me of working together with nice-gook really take the cake...

I think they actually feel hurt ... not that i care .. this is just a dumb forum anyway ....

That is why when Scroobal asked me to go back to 3in1, I already said that I'm degrading myself to talk to him in this forum. Rumor monger, Scum.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Those who know will know. Those who don't know, will never know.

Goh Meng Seng

Totally blindside hindsight comment. What had YSL did wrong in GE 2006 to warrant chopping?

 

[Ramseth]

Those who know will know. Those who don't know, will never know.

What makes you think those who know must tell all they know in politics? Are you three years old or just joined politics three years ago?