Toshiba's megawatt fuel cells have enough juice to power a factory

[syed putra]

Finally someone with basic knowledge of things.

I am just amazed that hydrogen is only connected to hydrocarbon from this forum.

It has proven that this forum is populated by not just the boomers of sexually deprived but by the boomers of know-it-all too. Or acting-know-it-all.

It needs lots of energy to separate hydrogen from water.

 

[Dr Christopher Cheok C S]

It needs lots of energy to separate hydrogen from water.

You need platinum
Substitutes are not efficient.

 

[Dr Christopher Cheok C S]

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Toshiba's megawatt fuel cells have enough juice to power a factory
Hydrogen system bolsters Japan's efforts toward renewables

Toshiba looks to expand the market for its hydrogen power systems.
TAKAYUKI YAO, Nikkei staff writerJuly 22, 2020 05:13 JST

TOKYO -- Toshiba is set to roll out a hydrogen-powered fuel cell system capable of generating enough electricity to power 1,000 homes, or an entire factory or hospital in a boost to a government push of the zero-emission energy source.

Toshiba Energy Systems & Solutions has developed a 1 megawatt system consisting of at least 10 of its existing 100kW hydrogen fuel cells and will start selling it as early as this fiscal year. A megawatt equals 1,000kW.

Other than Canada's Ballard Power Systems, there is no other supplier of hydrogen fuel cells with such capacity, according to the Toshiba subsidiary. Factories and hospitals generally require power capacity of 1MW to 2MW to operate.

Japan has been pushing hydrogen as a more environmentally friendly alternative to carbon-based fuels. Hydrogen can supplement solar and wind power supply, which tends to be unstable, generating electricity at night for those who rely on solar during the day, for instance. Another idea is to produce hydrogen using solar energy and generate power from that hydrogen later. Because hydrogen can be stored, it can be an emergency power source.

One issue is cost. Electricity produced by hydrogen fuel cells for industry users costs about 40 yen (37 cents) per kilowatt-hour by one estimate, roughly twice as expensive as conventional electricity. That figure is also higher than rechargeable batteries. Factories where hydrogen is created as a byproduct can use it as fuel.

Efforts are underway to build hydrogen fuel infrastructure in Japan. Trials have begun at a hydrogen production facility in Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, one of the world's biggest such plants. The project, which involves Toshiba Energy Systems and local utility Tohoku Electric Power among others, will produce and store up to 900 tons of hydrogen a year. Increased use of hydrogen could help bring down the cost of power generation.

With the shift away from coal and toward renewables, use of hydrogen is expected to grow. The hydrogen fuel market in Japan is set to undergo explosive growth from 7.3 billion yen in fiscal 2018 to 408.5 billion yen in fiscal 2030, according to projections by research company Fuji Keizai.

Thank you for sharing @Froggy bro

Please consider buying a few oz now, Platinum will hit USD2500 per troy oz if hydrogen technology takes off.
By then, u can take a few days off and get the proceeds to fly first class to visit @nayr69sg bro in Calgary.

It should happen in our lifetime. As long as Platinum trades below US$1000, I recommend buying a few ounces every six month for a salaried-man like me.
More reliable than CPF.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Why can't just built a better battery vehicle?

 

[syed putra]

Why can't just built a better battery vehicle?

BAttery technology. It seems maxwell batteries may have sorted out some limitations with solid state batteries.

Tesla Buying Maxwell, Could Signal Move To Solid State Battery

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By: Domenick Yoney

The energy tech company makes ultracapacitors (and other interesting things).
Tesla is buying up Maxwell Technologies. In a deal expected to be finalized in the second quarter of 2019, the California automaker has offered $4.75 per share for the company. That's a healthy 55-percent increase above the energy storage technology company's share price of $3.07 at Friday's market closing. The transaction is said to take the form of a stock swap and received unanimous approval from the Maxwell board. The acquisition is an interesting one. Maxwell is mostly known for its ultracapacitors, which are used by other automakers. Indeed, Volvo's Chinese parent company Geely partnered with the firm to use the energy storage devices in five of its hybrid products. But does that mean Tesla has picked them up for that particular technology? Maybe, but it should be noted that Maxwell, which has a footprint in Germany, South Korea, China, as well as the United States, has other tech that makes it valuable.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

BAttery technology. It seems maxwell batteries may have sorted out some limitations with solid state batteries.

Tesla Buying Maxwell, Could Signal Move To Solid State Battery
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By: Domenick Yoney

The energy tech company makes ultracapacitors (and other interesting things).
Tesla is buying up Maxwell Technologies. In a deal expected to be finalized in the second quarter of 2019, the California automaker has offered $4.75 per share for the company. That's a healthy 55-percent increase above the energy storage technology company's share price of $3.07 at Friday's market closing. The transaction is said to take the form of a stock swap and received unanimous approval from the Maxwell board. The acquisition is an interesting one. Maxwell is mostly known for its ultracapacitors, which are used by other automakers. Indeed, Volvo's Chinese parent company Geely partnered with the firm to use the energy storage devices in five of its hybrid products. But does that mean Tesla has picked them up for that particular technology? Maybe, but it should be noted that Maxwell, which has a footprint in Germany, South Korea, China, as well as the United States, has other tech that makes it valuable.

All the more it makes more sense for creating electric vehicles as compared to hydrogen vehicles

 

[zhihau]

Water? H-2-O?

Come, simple science use simple solutions.
Can someone calculate the energy required to produce enough hydrogen from a simple hydrolysis experiment? Then calculate the amount of hydrogen required to power a vehicle.

 

[syed putra]

All the more it makes more sense for creating electric vehicles as compared to hydrogen vehicles

And then Samsung cane up with this

Samsung Presents Groundbreaking All-Solid-State Battery Technology to ‘Nature Energy’
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On March 9 in London, researchers from the Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology (SAIT) and the Samsung R&D Institute Japan (SRJ) presented a study on high-performance, long-lasting all-solid-state batteries to Nature Energy, one of the world’s leading scientific journals.

Compared to widely used lithium-ion batteries, which utilize liquid electrolytes, all-solid-state batteries support greater energy density, which opens the door for larger capacities, and utilize solid electrolytes, which are demonstrably safer. However, the lithium metal anodes that are frequently used in all-solid-state batteries, are prone to trigger the growth of dendrites1 which can produce undesirable side effects that reduce a battery’s lifespan and safety.

To overcome those effects, Samsung’s researchers proposed utilizing, for the first time, a silver-carbon (Ag-C) composite layer as the anode. The team found that incorporating an Ag-C layer into a prototype pouch cell enabled the battery to support a larger capacity, a longer cycle life, and enhanced its overall safety. Measuring just 5µm (micrometers) thick, the ultrathin Ag-C nanocomposite layer allowed the team to reduce anode thickness and increase energy density up to 900Wh/L. It also enabled them to make their prototype approximately 50 percent smaller by volume than a conventional lithium-ion battery.

This promising research is expected to help drive the expansion of electric vehicles (EVs). The prototype pouch cell that the team developed would enable an EV to travel up to 800km on a single charge, and features a cycle life of over 1,000 charges.

(From left) Yuichi Aihara, Principal Engineer from SRJ, Yong-Gun Lee, Principal Researcher and Dongmin Im, Master from SAIT

As Dongmin Im, Master at SAIT’s Next Generation Battery Lab and the leader of the project explained, “The product of this study could be a seed technology for safer, high-performance batteries of the future. Going forward, we will continue to develop and refine all-solid-state battery materials and manufacturing technologies to help take EV battery innovation to the next level.”

 

[syed putra]

Come, simple science use simple solutions.
Can someone calculate the energy required to produce enough hydrogen from a simple hydrolysis experiment? Then calculate the amount of hydrogen required to power a vehicle.

The amount of energy needed to produce hydrogen will be more than the energy the fuel cell will be able to produce.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Hydrogen bomb?

 

[zhihau]

The amount of energy needed to produce hydrogen will be more than the energy the fuel cell will be able to produce.

let our collective wisdom triumph these nasty fossil fuels- using renewal energy sources to power the electrolysis process (solar, hydro, or wind)

 

[frenchbriefs]

It's like saying the world will never be short of water ever; just take the salt out of sea water! Eureka! We have drinking water. But How?

I love very much to separate the O from the H; breathe in the O and use the H as fuel - unlimited supply. No need ITER looking for fusion energy.

Molecules have bonds and these bonds need energy to break them into their separate individual elements,either thru some chemical reaction or electrolysis or something.....

The energy consumed is probably greater than the end product.....which makes it inefficient or not cost effective.....otherwise we simply create all the oxygen and hydrogen we want.....after all we are already doing it....on submarines where they turn sea water into its byproducts oxygen and hydrogen.

 

[tobelightlight]

The energy consumed is probably greater than the end product.

that's your opinion. not the fact.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Come, simple science use simple solutions.
Can someone calculate the energy required to produce enough hydrogen from a simple hydrolysis experiment? Then calculate the amount of hydrogen required to power a vehicle.

It's probably not very good,I mean it's great for producing things that are vital in places where u need them greatly like oxygen in a submarine,then its probably worth it to use a ton of electricity to produce the oxygen for breathing as diesel or nuclear generators can replenish ur battery banks......

But to produce hydrogen as an energy source?

 

[frenchbriefs]

that's your opinion. not the fact.

I don't have to be a rocket scientist to know it's a fact....if it was cost effective,they would be doing it already if the math made sense.....

If solar panels were 95% efficient instead of 20% at the very best,if one sq meter of solar panel could power an entire house the whole world would have jumped on it already.

Today the energy density of lithium batteries is still 100 times worse than fossil fuels,1 liter of gasoline contains the same amount of energy as20kg of batteries assuming a low efficiency combustion engine.thats why u need 8000 batteries in a Tesla instead of a couple hundred.

Unfortunately world still runs on physics not sci fi.

 

[tobelightlight]

I don't have to be a rocket scientist to know it's a fact....if it was cost effective,they would be doing it already if the math made sense.....

If solar panels were 95% efficient instead of 20% at the very best,if one sq meter of solar panel could power an entire house the whole world would have jumped on it already.

Unfortunately world still runs on physics not sci fi.

did you read the patented water powered car by Stan Meyer? Any comment on that? that is physics.

 

[pvtpublic]

that's your opinion. not the fact.

do you have facts that show otherwise? the science so far says extraction of hydrogen uses more energy than net production.

 

[tobelightlight]

do you have facts that show otherwise? the science so far says extraction of hydrogen uses more energy than net production.

That is what the fossil fuel globalist wants you to know so they can carry on their usual fossil fuel business. Stan Meyer patented the water powered car, why not use his technology?

 

[pvtpublic]

That is what the fossil fuel globalist wants you to know so they can carry on their usual fossil fuel business. Stan Meyer patented the water powered car, why not use his technology?

so you have no facts to refute the science of electrolysis? will check out Stan's creation.

 

[pvtpublic]

his patent online: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5149407A/en

who wanna installed hydrogen power engine in your car. It's a cool way to have a car like this now.

you can start by refuting the fraud allegations made here against the water "fuel cell" car

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell

it's always easy to call "conspiracy" when an idea is rejected. his "technology" is no more than regular electrolysis. given the nature of the free markets, if his tech did work and the patent being available, someone would have made it by now.

Tesla is much hated by the entire fossil fuel industry but I haven't heard of a single attempt on the founder's life.