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Toshiba's megawatt fuel cells have enough juice to power a factory

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Toshiba's megawatt fuel cells have enough juice to power a factory
Hydrogen system bolsters Japan's efforts toward renewables

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Toshiba looks to expand the market for its hydrogen power systems.
TAKAYUKI YAO, Nikkei staff writerJuly 22, 2020 05:13 JST

TOKYO -- Toshiba is set to roll out a hydrogen-powered fuel cell system capable of generating enough electricity to power 1,000 homes, or an entire factory or hospital in a boost to a government push of the zero-emission energy source.

Toshiba Energy Systems & Solutions has developed a 1 megawatt system consisting of at least 10 of its existing 100kW hydrogen fuel cells and will start selling it as early as this fiscal year. A megawatt equals 1,000kW.

Other than Canada's Ballard Power Systems, there is no other supplier of hydrogen fuel cells with such capacity, according to the Toshiba subsidiary. Factories and hospitals generally require power capacity of 1MW to 2MW to operate.

Japan has been pushing hydrogen as a more environmentally friendly alternative to carbon-based fuels. Hydrogen can supplement solar and wind power supply, which tends to be unstable, generating electricity at night for those who rely on solar during the day, for instance. Another idea is to produce hydrogen using solar energy and generate power from that hydrogen later. Because hydrogen can be stored, it can be an emergency power source.

One issue is cost. Electricity produced by hydrogen fuel cells for industry users costs about 40 yen (37 cents) per kilowatt-hour by one estimate, roughly twice as expensive as conventional electricity. That figure is also higher than rechargeable batteries. Factories where hydrogen is created as a byproduct can use it as fuel.

Efforts are underway to build hydrogen fuel infrastructure in Japan. Trials have begun at a hydrogen production facility in Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, one of the world's biggest such plants. The project, which involves Toshiba Energy Systems and local utility Tohoku Electric Power among others, will produce and store up to 900 tons of hydrogen a year. Increased use of hydrogen could help bring down the cost of power generation.

With the shift away from coal and toward renewables, use of hydrogen is expected to grow. The hydrogen fuel market in Japan is set to undergo explosive growth from 7.3 billion yen in fiscal 2018 to 408.5 billion yen in fiscal 2030, according to projections by research company Fuji Keizai.
 
You can extract hydrogen in huge wuatities efficiently from current oil and gas concessions.

http://proton.energy/

They need investors if sny of you have huge funds available.
 
If hydrogen is derived from fossils, then the net benefit would be negated or worse be negative.
The carbon remains underground. Only hydrogen gas is extracted which of course is very combustible. Anyway you can ask them yourself about the process.
Otherwise cost of producing hydrogen is very expensive and uses too much energy.
 
Fossil fuel is hydrocarbon. Just leave the carbon inside and take the hydro out.
 
The carbon remains underground. Only hydrogen gas is extracted which of course is very combustible. Anyway you can ask them yourself about the process.
Otherwise cost of producing hydrogen is very expensive and uses too much energy.
seriously??? Gosh, i thought this forum is not only made up of sexually deprived boomers, they are also trying to act knowledgeable in everything. so a new name: sexually deprived know-it-all boomers.
 
The carbon remains underground. Only hydrogen gas is extracted which of course is very combustible. Anyway you can ask them yourself about the process.
Otherwise cost of producing hydrogen is very expensive and uses too much energy.
You think processing the carbon to remain and keep it remaining underground doesn't costs energy and money?
 
You think processing the carbon to remain and keep it remaining underground doesn't costs energy and money?
Everything cost money.but producing hydrogen by industrial means is energy consuming and expensive.this process can reduce that cost and mass produce hydrogen cheaply by using chemicals.
 
Everything cost money.but producing hydrogen by industrial means is energy consuming and expensive.this process can reduce that cost and mass produce hydrogen cheaply by using chemicals.
I would rather we consume hydrocarbons directly as that will be more fuel efficient both short and long terms until we find a suitable alternative which is both cheaper to produce and maintain short and long terms rather than go down the path of hydrogen that can lead us to a dead ends of sorts that we cannot turn back from.
As it is currently, hydrogen is more expensive to be used as fuel.
I havn't even started about the safety aspects of hydrogen logistics. Wait until a few dozens get killed regularly from hydrogen explosion and you will understand what I am talking about.
 
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This study keep saying hydrogen energy is lousy, sounds like a fossil fuel globalist run video on how bad hydrogen run engine is. Gone are the days people will use petrol for vehicles.. it will happen soon.

water powered car is invented by a guy called Stanley Meyer and his engine has done a test run on using water to run his car from LA to NY. and what happen to him? he was killed by someone.. someone i suspect to be part of the fossil fuel globalist.

https://www.gaia.com/article/the-mysterious-death-of-stanley-meyer-and-his-water-powered-car
 
Finally someone with basic knowledge of things.

I am just amazed that hydrogen is only connected to hydrocarbon from this forum.

It has proven that this forum is populated by not just the boomers of sexually deprived but by the boomers of know-it-all too. Or acting-know-it-all.
It's like saying the world will never be short of water ever; just take the salt out of sea water! Eureka! We have drinking water. But How?

I love very much to separate the O from the H; breathe in the O and use the H as fuel - unlimited supply. No need ITER looking for fusion energy.
 
It's like saying the world will never be short of water ever; just take the salt out of sea water! Eureka! We have drinking water. But How?

I love very much to separate the O from the H; breathe in the O and use the H as fuel - unlimited supply. No need ITER looking for fusion energy.
if i have the time to study this in depth, maybe with some engineers who are open minded to this. i want to have such engine in personal car. why pay money for oil and it is polluting.

For those boomers who are sexually deprived, the SYT of the new generation will open leg for those who lay the path of renewable and save the earth creations.
 
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Bmw has a hydrogen powered internal combustion engine car plus fuel cells.

Toyota uses fuel cells.


The BMW Hydrogen 7 is a limited production hydrogen internal combustion engine vehicle built from 2005-2007[1] by German automobile manufacturer BMW. The car is based on BMW’s traditional gasoline-powered BMW 7 Series (E65) line of vehicles, and more specifically the 760Li. It uses the same 6-litre V-12 motor as does the 760i and 760Li; however, it has been modified to also allow for the combustion of hydrogen as well as gasoline, making it a bivalent engine. Unlike many other current hydrogen powered vehicles like those being produced by Hyundai, Honda, General Motors, and Daimler AG – which use fuel cell technology and hydrogen to produce electricity to power the vehicle – the BMW Hydrogen 7 burns the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine.

Powertrain
Body and chassis
Overview
BMW Hydrogen 7
BMW Hydrogen 7 at TED 2007.jpg
ManufacturerBMW
ClassLuxury car
RelatedBMW 7 Series
EngineInternal combustion engine

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12-cylinder hydrogen engine of BMW Hydrogen 7
BMW claims the Hydrogen 7 is the “world’s first production-ready hydrogen vehicle”; thus far, the Hydrogen 7 has been released to select high-profile leasees. Only 100 total vehicles were produced to put their technology to the test.[2] BMW said it chose public figures such as politicians, media figures, businessmen and big names in the entertainment industry such as 2007 Academy Award-winning director Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck and the chairman of Sixt AG, Erich Sixt, because “they would be ideal ambassadors” for hydrogen fuel and could help spread awareness of the need for such technologies.[3]
 
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