Not unconditionally.
Otherwise, where would Muslims or non Muslims obtain food without killing?
You mean animals don't have lives?
Or plants can't feel a thing?
Like some religions believed?
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Serious Tiongkok Talks Cock: Uyghurs didn’t choose to be Muslims
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Not unconditionally.
Otherwise, where would Muslims or non Muslims obtain food without killing?
You mean animals don't have lives?
Or plants can't feel a thing?
Like some religions believed?
More Ah Tiongs were killed by Ah Tiongs themselves, nobody else killed more Ah Tiongs.
I am also glad that Indonkia did the right thing in May 1998.
Sad that episode has not repeated frequently enough
By default, different religions will differ. They will disagree. So most of them must be wrong. Probably, all of them save for one must be wrong.
Just like, the answer to "What is the sum of 2 and 5?" has only one commonly accepted answer. All the other answers are false and no more than mumbo jumbo.
Doesn't mean all answers are false.
All answers except one are false.
Big difference.
North Korea = Poor = Low IQ = Ah Tiongs
Arab oil sheikhdoms = Rich = High IQ?
Is that a fact?
What about Australia or New Zealand that chinks like to migrate to ? Are they high IQ?
Whole of Tiongkok is a prison. A police state ruled by the Commies.
Nothing unthinkable.
Indonesia is home to hundreds of ethnic groups.
Why only the Chinks were targeted?
Hmmm...Chinks should learn from the other groups.
You can comfort yourself by keep telling yourself that … if it makes you happy. But the reality is not what you think.
North Korea is poorer than the poorest African country, but they are able to make nuclear bomb.
Arab have all the richest in the world, but can they manufacture any?
Australia, NZ, US are free country. Guess who are the successful ones!
IQ and Race … is a fact. It explained where a country will be heading.
you don't want to know the mental condition making them religious...
Ang mohs method of treating and cooking pork looks more tantalising.
Dont know abt tat. Boleh briefly explain...
U said those who believe in religion low iq. How abt the Jews? They are so religious tat they stole and robbed Palestinian of their land. They claimed its their "promised land". They going to build a 3rd temple.Can u claim they are not religious?
Did not the Palestinians steal the land from the Israelis in the 1st place?
Is it true that Israel stole Palestinian land?
Accusation: Israel stole Palestinian land to build a Jewish State
[the Muslim Brotherhood will] continue to view the Jews and Zionists as their first and foremost enemies … Jihad means making sacrifices in order to restore what has been stolen [Palestine].
– Mohamed Badie, Supreme Leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, January 2010
Fact or fiction: Jews stole Palestinian land before 1948
From the beginning of World War 1 Arabs were claiming Jews stole Palestinian land and displaced them. However, the majority of the land in this region was owned by the Ottoman Empire (subsequently the British) and absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. During this period 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were impoverished peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins… not wealthy landowners.1
The region was severely underpopulated which meant the Jews were able to avoid buying land in areas where Arabs might be displaced, which they did. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, sandy, and most importantly, without tenants. In 1920, David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellaheen (peasants), whom he viewed as “the most important asset of the native population” he said “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them”. He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement,” Ben-Gurion added, “should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.” 2
The Jews overpaid for land they purchase
When British MP John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930 to report on Arab-Jewish violence and discovered the Jews were purchasing land at exorbitant rates: “They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay.” 3
In 1937 the British Government published the Peel Commission which found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that “much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased. . . . there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land.” Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was “due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population”. The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities. 4
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping
— Transjordan’s King Abdullah, My Memoirs Completed, p88-89
As the violence escalated Arabs continued to sell land to Jews at outrageous prices, usually for tiny tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre.” 5
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Land ownership from 1945-1947
In 1945 the British commissioned a survey of land ownership in Mandatory Palestine for the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry on Palestine. This survey was the research that the UN relied upon when suggesting how the region could be partitioned. The illustration below is a visual representation of this survey. It clearly shows that the the UN’s suggested Jewish state was in the areas with heavy Jewish ownership or state ownership (such as the barren Negev Desert). While the proposed Arab state was in the regions with heavy Arab ownership. The claim that Jews stole Palestinian land is factually incorrect.6
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By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. 7 Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As’ad el–Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews. 8
Fact or fiction: Israel stole Palestinian land in the 1948 war?
As soon as Israel declared independence eight Arab nations invaded. With the battle cry of the Grand Mufti ringing in their ears, “I declare a holy war, my Moslem brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all”,9 the Arab armies, with the help of Palestinian militias, attempted their genocide against the Jews.
By some miracle, the Jews repelled the invaders and in defeating the Arab armies captured more land than that allotted in the UN partition. Much of this land had sizable Jewish populations and much more defensible borders. Israel took the decision to retain this land to assure the safety of its citizens. It is this new border that most people refer to when they speak of the Pre-67 Lines (or the 49 Armistice Lines).
The Arabs also captured land. Egyptians conquered Gaza, while the Jordanians usurped the West Bank. Unlike Israel, this was not for the safety of their citizens, but to increase their own territory. By the end of the war, according to Morris, the “Arab war Plan changed . . . into a multinational land grab focusing on the Arab areas of the country. The evolving Arab ‘plans’ failed to assign any of these whatsoever to the Palestinians or to consider their political aspirations.”10
Fact or fiction: Israel stole Palestinian after 1948?
While Arab leaders boasted “strike the enemy’s settlements, turn them into dust, pave the Arab roads with the skulls of Jews”,11 their genocidal intentions were repeatedly crushed, often leaving Israel with even greater territory. Despite these gains, Israel had no intention of keeping the land – it always intended to return the land in exchange for peace.
In 1974 Israel returned territories to Syria that it had captured 1967 and 1973. Again in 1979 they returned the entire Sinai Peninsula, a mass of land rich in oil, with Jewish settlements and three times the size of pre-67 Israel.
In September 1983, Israel withdrew from large areas of Lebanon to positions south of the Awali River. In 1985, it completed its withdrawal from Lebanon, except for a narrow security zone just north of the Israeli border. That too was abandoned, unilaterally, in 2000.
After signing peace agreements with the Palestinians, and a treaty with Jordan, Israel agreed to withdraw from most of the territory in the West Bank captured from Jordan in 1967. A small area was returned to Jordan, and more than 40 percent was ceded to the Palestinian Authority.
Finally in 2005, all Israeli troops and civilians were evacuated from the Gaza Strip and the territory was turned over to the control of the Palestinian Authority. In addition, four communities in the West Bank that covered an area larger than the entire Gaza Strip were also evacuated as part of the disengagement plan. As a result, Israel has now withdrawn from approximately 94 percent of the territory it captured in 1967.
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Israel has captured territory from those that wage war against the tiny state, but each time it returns the land in a heartbeat in exchange for peace.
Fact or fiction: Israel stole Palestinian land to build settlements?
From ancient times Jews have lived in the West Bank, the only time they did not was in recent decades when Jordan ethnically cleansed Jews from the region between 1948 to 1967. When Israel captured the territory from the Jordanians, following Jordan’s attack on Israel in the combined Arab attack of 67, Israel allowed Jews to move back to some select locations.
Numerous experts in international law believe that these settlements are not illegal. Stephen Schwebel, formerly President of the International Court of Justice, notes that a country acting in self defence may seize and occupy territory when necessary to protect itself. Schwebel also observes that a state may require, as a condition for its withdrawal, security measures designed to ensure its citizens are not menaced again from that territory. 12 In the seventies Israel made thousands of its citizens homeless when it returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, it did so on the condition Egypt would make peace with the Jewish State – just as Schwebel described.
When Israel constructs its settlements it does not requisition private land for their establishment. Housing construction is only permitted on private land where the rights of others have not been violated. The vast majority of settlements have been built in uninhabited areas and even the handful established in or near Arab towns did not displace or steal land. In instances where it had been that settlements had been built on stolen land, the previous Arab owners took their case to the Supreme Israeli Court which ruled the settlements needed to be dismantled.
Jewish settlements
In the images below we can see Jewish settlements built in uninhabited areas, this was the pattern for the overwhelming majority of West Bank settlements.
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Arab settlements
What many people do not realise is that the majority of Palestinian urban areas are in fact modern settlements that did not exist a century ago.
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Summary
The claim that Jews stole Palestinian land is a lie.
The UN proposal awarded the land where Jewish ownership was high to Israel and where Arab ownership was high to a future Palestinian state
Jews massively overpaid for the land they acquired
Israel has captured land in defensive battles, but has always exchanged it for peace with the previou
Sources
1. Moshe Aumann, Land Ownership in Palestine 1880–1948, (Jerusalem: Academic Committee on the Middle East, 1976), pp. 8–9
2. Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs: From Peace to War, (London: Oxford University Press, 1985), p. 32.
3. Hope Simpson Report, p. 51
4. Palestine Royal Commission Report (1937)
5. Moshe Aumann, Land Ownership in Palestine 1880–1948, (Jerusalem: Academic Committee on the Middle East, 1976), p13
6. Spreadsheet which contains village statistics
7. Abraham Granott, The Land System in Palestine, (London, Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1952), p. 278
8. Avneri, pp. 179–180, 224–225, 232–234; Porath (77), pp. 72–73; See also Hillel Cohen, Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917–1948, (Berkeley, University of California Press, 2008).
9. Quoted in “Myths and facts 1982; a Concise Record of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, Leonard J. Davis and M. Decter, p199″
10. Righteous Victims, Benny Morris, p221
11. Hafez al-Assad, Prime Minister of Syria, Quoted in “Six Days of War, Michael B. Oren, p293″
12. American Journal of International Law, (April, 1970), pp. 345–46.
So pork satay is not tantalising to u?
The 5 Best Satay in Singapore
eat and drink / April 22, 2019
5 Best Satay in Singapore for Your Skewered Meat Fix
(Image: Drew Douglas)
Listed at number 14 on the World’s 50 most delicious foods, complied by CNNGo in 2011, satay is a must-try dish in Singapore. The satay dish includes skewers of grilled meat, sliced cucumbers, sliced onions, pressed rice cakes, served with thick, sweet, and hot peanut sauce on the side.
And herein are the 5 best satay places in Singapore which are highly recommended by local foodies.
1. Lau Pa Sat Satay
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Originally built as a wet market in the 19th century, Lau Pa Sat has been converted into a hawker centre where both local and Asian foods are sold. Located at Singapore’s Central Business District, Lau Pa Sat is always busy with the crowds of office workers at lunchtime. At night, a satay street is rapidly set up at the outdoor area of the food market, adding more bustle to the place.
What people like
The satay street of Singapore with more than 10 satay stalls: Lau Pa Sat satay street, an outdoor dining area belonging to Lau Pa Sat Festival Market, is the only satay street in Singapore. It only wakes up after dark, from 19:00 onwards, and lives energetically until the leave of the last diners. Its satay stalls provide diners with skewers of chicken, lamb, beef and pork from Chinese to Muslim style. Among those, stalls # 7, # 8 and # 10 are the standouts.
Lively street dining experience: As the city lights up, bustling atmosphere is started with swift setups of folding tables, plastic chairs and the starting of charcoal fires. The barbecue smoke carrying the irresistible aroma of the satay reveals the readiness of Singapore style barbeque party. Enthusiastic crowds will quickly fill up the place to make this night spot one of the Singapore’s most exciting street dining places to savor the best satay with cold beer.
Convenient location: Lau Pa Sat is located right at the heart of Singapore’s Central Business District and within walking distance from Raffles Place MRT station.
2. Chomp Chomp Satay
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Chomp Chomp food centre is famous for delicious versions of numerous local dishes, especially satay, it is praised as one of the best satay in Singapore.
What people like
The satay is well marinated and juicy, and the peanut sauce is thick, sweet and not too spicy.
Besides satay, diners can enjoy other yummy Singapore street food like Hokkien mee, fried oyster, carrot cake, and BBQ stingray.
A good place for late dining
3. Chuan Kee Satay
chuan-kee-satay
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If you are a satay lover, pay a visit to Chuan Kee Satay to try its pork satay which is probably the best pork satay in Singapore. Started as a family business in 1970s, this food stall has served yummy traditional Hainanese satay for almost 50 years and it is now run by an elderly couple.
What people like
Its pork satay, a nice combination of succulent pork meat and fat, flavorful spices, and tasty peanut and pineapple gravy
Chuan Kee Satay is well located at the famous Old Airport Road food centre.
Reasonable prices
4. Kwong Satay
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Introduced in the “Yummy King” show of Mediacorp TV food program, and featured in The Straits Times newspaper, Kwong Satay at Geylang is a well known satay stall in the island city. Its signature dish, pork belly satay is a must try dish for all satay fans.
What people like
The mouth-watering pork belly satay
Peranakan Satay sauce style
Lively and vibrant surroundings
5. Haron Satay
Haron Satay
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Located at East Coast Lagoon Food Village, a relaxing spot at East Coast Park, Haron Satay is also known as Haron 30 Satay, a favourite destination to enjoy Malaysian Muslim-style satay of many Singaporeans. Its satay is always grilled to perfection making its meat very tender and juicy.
What people like
Consistent satay quality
Efficient staff and fast service
Surrounded by a long sandy beach and greenery trees to provide diners pleasurable and enjoyable ambience
Generous amount of meat per stick
In all mudslime countries. Only thing matters if u are a mudslime or not a mudslime. Non mudslimes are the ones being at the mercy of the mudslimes...but mudslimes in non mudslime majority are treated better. So wat gives?
From the horses mouth. True followers of the Book dont kill, steal or cheat. Those zionist jews in Israel are Atheist. Ask the orthodox Jews.
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