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The Qur'an heavenly or earthly?
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God Bless you too bro
@psalm23...in Islam salvation comes from your own repentance and sincerity besides belief..belief without deeds is empty.
In your religion the bible does not teach anything of the sort that you and your churches are now preaching salvation thru the blood of Christ(peace be upon him)
let me clarify that we Muslims should believe in what was sent down to the prophets Moses Alaihi Salaam(the Taurat) and David Alaihi Salaam(the zuboor or psalms) and Jesus Alaihi Salaam(the Injeel or Gospel) but its controlling book is for us always the last and final revelation I:E the Quran.
So we believe(now i must ephasise this term cos you may believe otherwise) that whatevr is true in the Bible or the Torah and the earlier books is confirmed in the Quran.
Now going back to what i mentioned earlier regarding salvation in Christianity..if you look at Matthew 19 verse 16 onwards:
One person came to ask Jesus(PBUH) saying "Oh Good Master, what good things shall i do that i attain eternal life,?"
Jesus answered, "Why Does Thou Calleth me GOOD? there is none Good except the FATHER in Heaven!"and if you want to attain eternal life,, keep the commandments..."
Did He say if you want to attain eternal life(salvation in our case), believe that I AM YOUR GOD?
Did He say that if you want to attain eternal life, believe that I AM ABOUT TO DIE FOR ALL YOUR SINS?
NOPE he said there is ONLY ONE GOOD that is the FATHER in Heaven
He said Keep the Commandments.
peace be with you
In your religion the bible does not teach anything of the sort that you and your churches are now preaching salvation thru the blood of Christ(peace be upon him)
let me clarify that we Muslims should believe in what was sent down to the prophets Moses Alaihi Salaam(the Taurat) and David Alaihi Salaam(the zuboor or psalms) and Jesus Alaihi Salaam(the Injeel or Gospel) but its controlling book is for us always the last and final revelation I:E the Quran.
So we believe(now i must ephasise this term cos you may believe otherwise) that whatevr is true in the Bible or the Torah and the earlier books is confirmed in the Quran.
Now going back to what i mentioned earlier regarding salvation in Christianity..if you look at Matthew 19 verse 16 onwards:
One person came to ask Jesus(PBUH) saying "Oh Good Master, what good things shall i do that i attain eternal life,?"
Jesus answered, "Why Does Thou Calleth me GOOD? there is none Good except the FATHER in Heaven!"and if you want to attain eternal life,, keep the commandments..."
Did He say if you want to attain eternal life(salvation in our case), believe that I AM YOUR GOD?
Did He say that if you want to attain eternal life, believe that I AM ABOUT TO DIE FOR ALL YOUR SINS?
NOPE he said there is ONLY ONE GOOD that is the FATHER in Heaven
He said Keep the Commandments.
peace be with you
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Do these deeds include lying, killing, raping oppressing etc? What kind of deeds are you taught to do? Wake up! Don't be fooled anymore. God won't teach you such things.
Not true, you don't even know what the Bible teaches. Phi 2:12,13 James 2 14-26
So according to your Islamic doctrine, Allah couldn't protect his word and lost all those books then. You see the fallacy and contradiction there?
Jesus also said 'I am the way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'
You can't quote selective verses only can you? Read the whole Bible and don't be fooled by other Muslims.
Come to think of it, Muslims don't keep Jesus' commandments at all. Don't Muslims then go to hell according to your logic?
we do keep all the commandments that the Christians dont ...dont let your hate consume you. follow your bible in what has been confirmed in the Quran only those that has been confirmed in the Quran and not anything else..wake up urself ..did you really believe the little baby who died at infancy goes to hell because it was a sinner? answer this and then we ll go on to Mark 16 : These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages.
just prove to me you can speak some new languiages like Russian or even Greek your very own new testament lang or Hebrew!! if you can do that then i will lean toward believeing you.. and then go on to the next verse .
They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won't hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed."
if you believe the bible is the word of GOD then why arent you in the hospital right now theres hundreds upon hundreds of ppl who are sick just go visit the cancer wards and heal them!
LOL
just prove to me you can speak some new languiages like Russian or even Greek your very own new testament lang or Hebrew!! if you can do that then i will lean toward believeing you.. and then go on to the next verse .
They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won't hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed."
if you believe the bible is the word of GOD then why arent you in the hospital right now theres hundreds upon hundreds of ppl who are sick just go visit the cancer wards and heal them!
LOL
Woe it is to those who write the scripture with their own hands and say this is from GOD.......(Quran)
Nope, you fellas murder, lie, forcibly convert, enslave and bow to idol. You never followed Jesus commandments.
I can indeed.
Been there done that. No problem.
if you believe the bible is the word of GOD then why arent you in the hospital right now theres hundreds upon hundreds of ppl who are sick just go visit the cancer wards and heal them!
LOL
That's where we (i.e. Christians) are fundamentally different from other religions - I would say all, except the Jewish. From the very first Book of the Bible, Genesis to the last Book, Revelation, we are told that we are sinners, and why we have sinned against God, the whole story is told in the Book of Genesis. What follows after was this God's redemptive work to bring back to Him through His Son Jesus to die on the Cross of the sinners.
It is very difficult, to the point that it is quite impossible for many people to acknowledge they are sinners. Some religions even taught that human are fundamentally good and this is completely contradicted the Bible which says that "None is righteous." Yes....all are born sinners - including my very dear child. In fact, our conversation and debate should just end because we cannot proceed further and any further discussions are simply an extrapolation of our disagreements and our differences. These are irreconcilable differences - sadly, but true.
Frankly, personally, I can't even accept I am not a sinner. I have a corruptible mind, thinking nothing but only for myself...the best to describe me: selfish, unkind, ungenerous, unholy, ungodly. I can't imagine how I could face God on the basis of what I am now. Yes, I tried (and also many people tried, I believe) to be 'good' but things always turn up to be the opposite......and the word of God, the Bible is the best spiritual mirror. When we compared our present state to what God has to say about us, we - meaning Christians - can easily comprehend His words. The word of God have become fully alive.
So, respectfully, if you are taught by your prophets otherwise and you believe what they taught, by all means you have every right.....
A correction of your statment. All babies are borned to Christian families and if they don't repent and accept the blood of Jesus, they will not be spared. There is no such thing as you are born a Christian (but we are born-again Christians....hopefully, I could elaborate more of the two: born a Christian and born-again Christian.) Once we reach the age of accountability (or age of reason, as termed by you), we have to make a decision to either accept the Living God, Jesus or to reject Him as the Saviour....and oh, yes...if we reject Him, we will be lost eternally in hell, whether you are borned into a Christian family or into a non-Christian family.
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No where in the Bible nor does Christian doctrine ever taught that babies are born sinners.
Gymkhana don't even know what he is talking about. He simply listen to his Muslims propaganda bout Christianity w/o questioning.
On the contrary, in the case of allah, he tests men for kicks and judges them for it. Allah even encourages racism and charge enmity bewteen Muslims and non Muslims.
Muhamad cales Jews and Christians apes and pigs and in his dying breath cursed Jews and caused Muslims to hate Jews since then.
Gymkhana don't even know what he is talking about. He simply listen to his Muslims propaganda bout Christianity w/o questioning.
On the contrary, in the case of allah, he tests men for kicks and judges them for it. Allah even encourages racism and charge enmity bewteen Muslims and non Muslims.
Muhamad cales Jews and Christians apes and pigs and in his dying breath cursed Jews and caused Muslims to hate Jews since then.
Please refer to what your beloved brother kinanpua has posted he has contradicted you right here. Need your clarification.born sinner or not?cant be that the both of you are right!
All the same i thank you for being a respectable person we have differences but can we at least come toward a common term. That GOD is Only ONE?
Peace and may you and i be rightly guided
That's correct! One of the misguided interpretation of a Bible verse is the word "sinner". Yes....all human are born with 'sin nature' and you can see even when children who are just learning to grap will start to grap everything and refuse to let go. We have to teach them to be generous, to share and so on. But, alas, often we are disappointed. This clearly indicated that to sin is a choice, and it always started from something little or tiny but progress to something very big. We read in James 1:14-15: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jesus loves children and He told us that His kingdom belongs to little children [Matthew 19:14; Luke 18:16: .....Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God]. There is a very good spiritual lesson: We all need to be like little children, easy to forgive, easy to forget. Children are extremely dear to our Lord Jesus. He would not send them to hell....even though they may learn to grap things while they are still very young!
Having said this, here is the 'bad' news. Once we have reached our age of accountability, and we know how to exercise our choice, and our free will and unless we repent and exercise our choice and free will to obey God's commandments, we would be in a very dangerous state - spiritually-speaking - to be excluded from His kingdom. As warned by James in his epistle James 1:14-15, a little temptation, a little greed, a little hatred, a little jealousy if not contained in due course will bring forth eternal condemnation.
Yes...we are born sinners.....i.e. we are born with a 'sin nature'...and that includes children...God is gracious. He still give us the choice and the will to overcome this sinful nature, and through His spirit, we can all succeed in doing so. Remember, it is the will of God that none should perish. But God knows that it is impossible for us to escape all the temptations and to be completely sin-free and thus He sent His Son Jesus and offer the blood of His Son as our the price for the sins we have committed during our time when we are in adulthood, when have reached the age of accountability. No one on this earth, since its creation can really standup to claim that he or she has never broken any of the Ten Commandments. At one time or another, we have done some of these: told lies, stole, dishonour our parents, committed adultery, coveted other people properties and that still did not take into account that we have tons of idols, we worship false God, we take the name of God in vain, we did not really put our heart, soul and mind when worshipping God, and often we come to God only when we need Him.
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oh no he didnt? hahahaha then let me copy and paste it here for you to see and dont you run away again !
"It is very difficult, to the point that it is quite impossible for many people to acknowledge they are sinners. Some religions even taught that human are fundamentally good and this is completely contradicted the Bible which says that "None is righteous." Yes....all are born sinners - including my very dear child."psalm23
now both trying to twist each others words to suit his own agenda .HAHAHAHA exposed time and again ..now tell me which one is correct born sinner or not??either psalm is bullshitting here or kinanpua is..
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son ,please understand our great bible . babies being born in sin is commonly known as the doctrine of "original sin." also, it is know as "hereditary total depravity." the doctrine simply stated is the belief that adam and eve's sin (the original sin) is transmitted to all who are born into this world. supposedly, all who are born into this world inherit Adam's sin 
.son , dont ever forget my teaching ,...when i say all man sins means all human being sins unless you say babies are not human . son , please dont forget our bible ...repent ...repent
.son , dont ever forget my teaching ,...when i say all man sins means all human being sins unless you say babies are not human . son , please dont forget our bible ...repent ...repent
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