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The PAP Wayang on CPF is going full steam ahead

winnipegjets

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Toh Yong Chuan
The Straits Times
Thursday, May 29, 2014

SINGAPORE - Two Members of Parliament want the Government to take the lead in helping Singaporeans to earn higher returns on their Central Provident Fund (CPF) savings.

The call was made by Mr Zaqy Mohamad (Chua Chu Kang GRC) and Nominated MP Tan Su Shan, who is a senior bank executive.

Mr Zaqy has proposed that the Government initiate and lead an investment plan that will offer higher interest rates and take into account inflation.

He made the call in a wide-ranging speech which kicked off the debate yesterday, thanking President Tony Tan Keng Yam for his address on the Government's directions in the second half of its term.

Mr Zaqy called for better communication of public policies and retirement adequacy, among other things. By improving returns on CPF savings, the Government can reduce unhappiness with the "changing goal posts" of the minimum sum, he said, referring to the increases in the minimum sum requirement to meet longer lifespans and rising costs.

The CPF system has recently come under fire online, as the minimum sum is set to increase from $148,000 to $155,000 from July 1. It is set to go up again in July next year but the amount has not been determined.

The criticism prompted Manpower Minister Tan Chuan-Jin to defend the national pension fund in a blog post on Sunday.

In her speech, NMP Tan suggested having regular savings plans that are tied to bonds or fixed-income unit trusts that pay regular dividends.

Such a "diversified pool of higher interest-bearing instruments" will ensure that inflation does not erode the value of CPF savings which are not invested, Ms Tan said.

"Some of these instruments are already available but due to the lack of knowledge, many Singaporeans have not availed themselves of these savings instruments," she added.

The interest rates are 2.5 per cent per annum for CPF Ordinary Account savings, and 4 per cent per annum for the Special, Medisave and Retirement accounts.

An extra 1 percentage point is paid on the first $60,000 of a CPF member's combined balances.

But Singapore's inflation rate has averaged 4.1 per cent over the last three years, Ms Tan noted.

She has previously urged the Government to issue inflation-linked bonds, but she noted: "We can't seem to do this."

Two other MPs also spoke about the CPF system.

Non-Constituency MP Lina Chiam suggested alternative investment options such as non-compulsory CPF and private annuity schemes.

Mr Liang Eng Hwa (Holland-Bukit Timah GRC) said that the CPF was a "major pillar" in the Singapore system, and has ensured "retirement adequacy while making funds available in important areas such as home ownership, health care and education".
 

winnipegjets

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The CPF money is used by Temasek and GIC to generate double digit profits. It is not a case where the returns are not there. With those returns, there is NO reason why CPF can't pay at least 6 percent interest.
 

piratetoon

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All PAP MPs so excited about CPF matters after Roy got sue by PM. Before that all PAP Mps just quite and do nothing. Think all Singaporean need to Thank Roy for highlighting this issue.
 

winners

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The CPF money is used by Temasek and GIC to generate double digit profits. It is not a case where the returns are not there. With those returns, there is NO reason why CPF can't pay at least 6 percent interest.
Rightfully, the CPF interest rate should be variable (annually) and be pegged to at least 2% above the Sinkie Land's inflation rate. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to leave your money in the CPF if it continues to grow smaller in value with each passing year. Prince Loong will have to work out something better in the immediate future.
 
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tonychat

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what is the fuck use of earning higher return when you keep raising the minimum withdrawal amount and age.

PLease remove the minimum withdrawal amount and at age 55 , people have the freedom to take it all out.

Fuck the increase return bullshit.
 

winners

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If the CPF were to be fully released at 55 years old, hell-ho, I suppose it'll go bankrupt the next day. I doubt their funds in cash will be able to accommodate such a vast withdrawal. Hopefully, after this Roy case, Prince Loong will learn his lesson and lighten his grip on the CPF.
 

halsey02

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The CPF money is used by Temasek and GIC to generate double digit profits. It is not a case where the returns are not there. With those returns, there is NO reason why CPF can't pay at least 6 percent interest.

How much are the profits made by Temasek & GIC goes to Management Fees?, commission? bonuses??....by the time, the profits made gets filtered down to the provider of the funds ( Us)....it will be only 2%...or 4% depending on their generosity.
 

Seee3

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The CPF money is used by Temasek and GIC to generate double digit profits. It is not a case where the returns are not there. With those returns, there is NO reason why CPF can't pay at least 6 percent interest.

Just my layman simple-minded view. The cpf and national reserves are linked by the 2 vehicles, GIC and Temasek. A big part of the national reserve is the summation of the wealth of GIC and Temasek. On the other hand, the CPF is the main source of funding for both entities.

If the % profits made by both entities are more than the CPF rates paid, the national reserve will increase by an amount equal to the difference. We can look at this gain by the govt as payment for bearing the risk of guaranteeing the fixed payment rate. However, if this difference gets too big, it becomes an issue because CPF payment is not voluntary and the rates in recent years is lower than inflation rates.

If profits made by both of them are less than the CPF rates, the national reserve will decrease because the difference must still be paid and this amount can be raised by sales of assets or borrowings from other sources and incurring interest cost.

However, we have been getting reports that our national reserve have been increasing year after year. In a way, this % increase serves as a rough indication of the gain made through our existing CPF funds or gains made through past funds.

The greater concern is, is this reported yearly increase true? One ever said that depressing the property price is equivalent to robbing the national reserve. Is this a profound leak made accidentally? How much of our so-called reserve is tie to the self-inflated property price? The property price from 1980 till now has easily increased 5 times. Therefore, if the national reserve has increased by less than 5 times over the same period is there real gain?

Asset enhancement is a mathematical way to meet kpi on GDP growth. But it can only continue if there is demand. Is that the reason for the ft policy and population increase? We have mounted the tiger and to dismount without getting killed is near impossible.
 

mojito

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Credit goes to our esteemed prime minister who highlighted the severity of the controversial issue by taking forceful, decisive action against unfounded rumours. Without his leadership, the PAP will degenerate into a mob of complacent, unfocused seat warmers.
 

escher

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All PAP MPs so excited about CPF matters after Roy got sue by PM. Before that all PAP Mps just quite and do nothing. Think all Singaporean need to Thank Roy for highlighting this issue.

what is the fuck use of earning higher return when you keep raising the minimum withdrawal amount and age.

PLease remove the minimum withdrawal amount and at age 55 , people have the freedom to take it all out.

Fuck the increase return bullshit.




PAPs ARE ATTACKING SINGAPOREANS BY THIS ATTACK ON ROY
PAPs ARE FIXING THEIR PIANO WIRES AROUND THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
PAPs ARE FIXING THE NECKLACE OF BURNING CAR TYRES ON THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
WILL SINGAPOREANS REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH FOR PAPs TO FUCK
AND TO TIEW AND TO TIE PIANO WIRES?

TURN UP AT THE RALLY AT HONG LIM TO SUPPORT ROY AND SHOW PAPs WE FIGHT THIS TIME
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.



GET RID OF THE POISON IN SINGAPORE
HANG ALL THOSE FUCKING PAPs AND THEIR COLLABORATORS
BBQ THE BASTARD PAPs

AND SINGAPORE CAN BE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN SWITZERLAND

OR REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE FUCKED TO BE TIEWED TO BE KANNED BY THE PAP MAGGOTS COCKROACHES

Kill them all PAPs
Let GOD sort out the good from the really bad ones
The good PAPs can then eat joss sticks and candle wax from time to time
The bad PAPs like smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY will be raped and tiewed and kanned by legions of ghouls and demons and not ever
get time off to eat joss sticks and candle wax

Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.


None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.

They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.
LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP.

Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.

Despite the leeching and fucking of singaporeans by the cheebye PAP and LKY, Singapore still managed to survive to date.
Despite their being hung as a fucking millstones around the necks of Singaporeans and the idiocy and corrupt manipulations of PAP and LKY, Singapore still not dead yet.

WE ALL ARE NOW WAITING FOR THE DEATH OF LKY IN COMING DAYS OR WEEKS.
WE ALL WILL YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AGAIN AND AGAIN DANCING SINGING ON TABLE TOPS AND STREETS

WE THEN WILL SEE THOSE IN PAP WITH SHARPENED KNIVES HOOTING ARSEHLOON A DOZEN NEW ARSEHOLES AND THE DEATH OF THE ENTIRE LEE KWA CLAN

WE THEN WILL PICK UP PIANO WIRES AND HANG ALL THOSE REMAINING PAP AND THEIR COLLABORATORS FROM LAMP POSTS AND SEE THOSE BASTARDS AND BITCHES DANCE.
AND HAPPINESS WILL RETURN TO OUR LAND.

AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE MORE.

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
 

cunnilaubu

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How much are the profits made by Temasek & GIC goes to Management Fees?, commission? bonuses??....by the time, the profits made gets filtered down to the provider of the funds ( Us)....it will be only 2%...or 4% depending on their generosity.

Almost the entire cabinet members are sitting on the Board of Temasick & GIC. Are they paid a director's fee?
If so, besides the big fat salary, they are also receiving income from these positions. So their actual pay cheques are much higher?
 

Seee3

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do we need another 50 years to find out? :o:o:o

Most probably not. Asset enhancement is not only a good instrument to create paper wealth. It is also a powerful tool to transfer money from the people to the govt; through CPF via housing and through land sale.

They got carried away, causing what is left in the CPF of individuals, after paying for housing to become inadequate for retirement. Rental rises with asset enhancement. To sustain the economy, pay is suppressed to compensate for the high rental. Cheap foreign labour is then brought in, compounding the problem as locals start to lose their jobs. The duo effects of inflation and job loss have jotted the people. They become more aware of the situation. Many are already feeling that the social contract between the people and the govt has been breached. In denial, they felt that the breach is small and can be quenched with simple propaganda and threat. They will ignore and continue with their way despite all the early warning signs. Perhaps that is how disaster occur - believing that all is fine although there are huge cracks everywhere; just like the new world hotel.
 

escher

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If the CPF were to be fully released at 55 years old, hell-ho, I suppose it'll go bankrupt the next day. I doubt their funds in cash will be able to accommodate such a vast withdrawal. Hopefully, after this Roy case, Prince Loong will learn his lesson and lighten his grip on the CPF.

Almost the entire cabinet members are sitting on the Board of Temasick & GIC. Are they paid a director's fee?
If so, besides the big fat salary, they are also receiving income from these positions. So their actual pay cheques are much higher?

that's exactly what i fear. time to practice jettison drill :o:o:o





PAPs ARE ATTACKING SINGAPOREANS BY THIS ATTACK ON ROY
PAPs ARE FIXING THEIR PIANO WIRES AROUND THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
PAPs ARE FIXING THE NECKLACE OF BURNING CAR TYRES ON THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
WILL SINGAPOREANS REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH FOR PAPs TO FUCK
AND TO TIEW AND TO TIE PIANO WIRES?

TURN UP AT THE RALLY AT HONG LIM TO SUPPORT ROY AND SHOW PAPs WE FIGHT THIS TIME
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.



GET RID OF THE POISON IN SINGAPORE
HANG ALL THOSE FUCKING PAPs AND THEIR COLLABORATORS
BBQ THE BASTARD PAPs

AND SINGAPORE CAN BE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN SWITZERLAND

OR REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE FUCKED TO BE TIEWED TO BE KANNED BY THE PAP MAGGOTS COCKROACHES

Kill them all PAPs
Let GOD sort out the good from the really bad ones
The good PAPs can then eat joss sticks and candle wax from time to time
The bad PAPs like smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY will be raped and tiewed and kanned by legions of ghouls and demons and not ever
get time off to eat joss sticks and candle wax

Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.


None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.

They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.
LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP.

Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.

Despite the leeching and fucking of singaporeans by the cheebye PAP and LKY, Singapore still managed to survive to date.
Despite their being hung as a fucking millstones around the necks of Singaporeans and the idiocy and corrupt manipulations of PAP and LKY, Singapore still not dead yet.

WE ALL ARE NOW WAITING FOR THE DEATH OF LKY IN COMING DAYS OR WEEKS.
WE ALL WILL YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AGAIN AND AGAIN DANCING SINGING ON TABLE TOPS AND STREETS

WE THEN WILL SEE THOSE IN PAP WITH SHARPENED KNIVES HOOTING ARSEHLOON A DOZEN NEW ARSEHOLES AND THE DEATH OF THE ENTIRE LEE KWA CLAN

WE THEN WILL PICK UP PIANO WIRES AND HANG ALL THOSE REMAINING PAP AND THEIR COLLABORATORS FROM LAMP POSTS AND SEE THOSE BASTARDS AND BITCHES DANCE.
AND HAPPINESS WILL RETURN TO OUR LAND.

AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE MORE.

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
 

Confuseous

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what is the fuck use of earning higher return when you keep raising the minimum withdrawal amount and age.

PLease remove the minimum withdrawal amount and at age 55 , people have the freedom to take it all out.

Fuck the increase return bullshit.

Not only that. As part of the Ponzi exercise, they need to get new FTs' contributions to pay out about $7.5billion in interest alone.
 

Tuayapeh

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Must really make noise then they start to review about it, like that very sad lah




irony is that without Roy


you think these CBs from the PAP could be fucking bothered to open their golden mouths to suddenly talk as if they give a shit about the people of stinkapore??????
 

tanwahtiu

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and farking roll back the interest earning back to the beginning of the CPF scheme. Singaporeans deserves more.


The CPF money is used by Temasek and GIC to generate double digit profits. It is not a case where the returns are not there. With those returns, there is NO reason why CPF can't pay at least 6 percent interest.
 
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