Serious Terrex AFV confiscation in HKG: The Implications and Revelations

[tanwahtiu]

Angmoh are the best. When Japan bombed Hawaii and angmoh cannot attacked Japs in Okinawa cowardly used A bomb to settle the score. Now every nation want to own a nuke bomb ready to land on angmoh the enemy.

perfect storm with tsai-cheebye in power in diewan and hague ruling on south china sea against cheebyena plus sg (still) pursuing tpp as obama stooge. caused a spooked cheebyena to make up own rulings as events unfold. it's politically naive to trust cheebyena to follow and comply with international rules. they suka suka cum up with own rules when they best suit their political motivations depending on who they deal with. so it's best to avoid dealing with them and skip hk if at all possible.

 

[McDonaldsKid]

Nice insights from Papsmearer.

I think its telling this happened so soon after LHL talking about China. Also the silence from the PM and his ministers are deafening.

If we had a free press they would be asking our ministers the right questions, right now they are just regurgitating what Mindef says.

 

[enterprise2]

12 metal boxes - what are they ???

Should wrap in Christmas wrapping with trimmings!

 

[aerobwala]

Tiu, is like being raped and public humiliation.:oIo::oIo::oIo:
So many Generals in our cabinet and none of them spew a single word after 24 hours ?

12 metal boxes - what are they ???

 

[Bigfuck]

I believe the Chinese engineers must be laughing like simi lan sai lao kok kok on wheels? Tomorrow, some low level engineer in China will roll out a better, cheaper faster model and sell to Africa.

 

[kryonlight]

Tiu, is like being raped and public humiliation.:oIo::oIo::oIo:
So many Generals in our cabinet and none of them spew a single word after 24 hours ?

It feels so good to rape and humiliate SAF and PAP. Good job, China!

 

[Bigfuck]

It feels so good to rape and humiliate SAF and PAP. Good job, China!

Now you know how impotent and genetically defective the Lees are.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

If China does not release the shipment Singapore will unleash its military might and orchestrate an almighty shock and awe attack that will leave China reeling.

We have the hardware and we have the talent. China will do well not to underestimate us.

Are you on drugs?

 

[iluvgst]

why is our defence ministar bargain hen so quiet? i thot he always got things to say and quick temper type?
or maybe too busy on year end holiday?

 

[Bonut]

No need for an army to rescue the tanks. We just need someone like 007 to infiltrate into the enemy's camp. I think we do have one such hero - Zorro.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Cannot even handle ah Neh little India riot, this one no need to say.

As usual he will stay clear and send cronies to settle it. Later give medals award to his cronies to justify pay rise and bonuses next year .

 

[Papsmearer]

Nice insights from Papsmearer.

I think its telling this happened so soon after LHL talking about China. Also the silence from the PM and his ministers are deafening.

If we had a free press they would be asking our ministers the right questions, right now they are just regurgitating what Mindef says.

Thank you for saying so. I think its been building up for a while and China just decided to take action. Firstly, 3 weeks ago, the taiwanese elected the DPP as the new govt. and it advocates independence and an increased military expenditure. needless to say, the chinese were not happy about this. Then came the hooha about singapore criticizing china;s South china see claims and then gay loong and his middle kingdom comment, in the end, u have this mess. Always when there is a crisis, u find the PAP mouth shut tight. We are paying them millions now to shut their mouth?

 

[kryonlight]

Always when there is a crisis, u find the PAP mouth shut tight. We are paying them millions now to shut their mouth?

It is better for PAP minions to shut their mouths tight. We wouldn't know what sort of rubbish they are going to spew again to further agitate China and make things worse.

 

[Papsmearer]

More commentary:

At first, i thought these 9 Terrexes were part of an extended sales demonstration to taiwan. the reason for this is that the vehicles all had Taiwanese military license plates, which is unusual for an short term ATEC exercise as MINDEF claimed. As well, almost all the recent ATECs have been carried out in Australia Shoalwater training area under Exercise Wallaby. But upon further research, the taiwanese have their own Infantry Combat Vehicle, the CM-2 Clouded Leopard, similar in design to the Terrex. And they have a lot more of them, over 1000 vehicles. So, I think we can discount the idea that ST might have been selling the Terrex to them, although the Terrex is more sophisticated.

 

[Papsmearer]

I assure you that if Old fart was still around, this incident would not have happened. The Chinese would have given face to him and quietly put the AFVs back on the ship. But Gay Loong is not Old fart and does not have his international stature and reputation. And Vivian the Chindian is not Rajaratnam. I wonder if the world leaders even take Gay loong seriously, likely, they think he is the Prime Minister only because he is the son of Old Fart and did not earn his position or won it by merit. I think this will encourage other countries to fuck with the PAP as they have now seen how stupid and impotent they can be.

 

[ckmpd]

I assure you that if Old fart was still around, this incident would not have happened. The Chinese would have given face to him and quietly put the AFVs back on the ship. But Gay Loong is not Old fart and does not have his international stature and reputation. And Vivian the Chindian is not Rajaratnam. I wonder if the world leaders even take Gay loong seriously, likely, they think he is the Prime Minister only because he is the son of Old Fart and did not earn his position or won it by merit. I think this will encourage other countries to fuck with the PAP as they have now seen how stupid and impotent they can be.

Is China teaching LHL a lesson in humility?

 

[Papsmearer]

So apparently, not only did MINDEF put the Terrex on a cargo vessel stopping in Hong Kong this vessel apparently also stopped in Xiamen before going to HKG. How fucking stupid do you have to be to allow your armour vehicles to stop twice in chinese ports, especially when you are in the middle of diplomatic hassle with them?


SINGAPORE — Mainland Chinese law enforcement organisations had tipped off Hong Kong customs officials about a shipment of Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) armoured vehicles that arrived at the city's port earlier this week, leading to its eventual seizure, a new report has alleged.

Factwire, the Hong Kong news agency which broke the news of the seizure of the nine Terrex Infantry Carrier Vehicles, cited unnamed sources on Saturday saying that the shipment was discovered to have contained "undeclared military materials" when it stopped for a layover at Xiamen’s Haitian Container Terminals in Fujian, eastern China, after departing Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

"Before the vessel arrived at the Hong Kong port, Customs were informed by mainland law enforcement organisations that the vessel contained undeclared military materials, and did not have an approval notice," Factwire said in its latest report. "When it arrived in Hong Kong, the Customs searched the vessel and confiscated relevant military materials."

The news agency quoted a port worker saying that an entire team of officers was sent to search the vessel - APL QATAR 041 - when routine inspections typically involved just two to three officers.

"The officers apparently were specific about searching the vessel when it arrived at the terminal," Factwire said.

The report, however, did not name the mainland Chinese agencies which tipped off customs officials in Hong Kong, nor did it say how Chinese security organisations found out about the shipment of SAF armoured vehicles in Xiamen.

On Friday, Hong Kong’s Oriental Daily News published reports — complete with pictures and a video — of the vehicles being moved in the early hours under police escort to Hong Kong Customs’ cargo examination compound at the River Trade Terminal. This raised questions about whether they will be returned expeditiously, as Singapore has requested, even as a team from the SAF was expected to reach Hong Kong to “address the security of the equipment”, said Singapore’s Ministry of Defence (Mindef).

In its latest report, Factwire said it managed to track the shipping route and itinerary of the vessel moving the Terrex vehicles using code numbers on the confiscated containers. The SAF had contracted APL as the commercial shipping line to transport nine armoured vehicles and associated equipment to Singapore. APL is a unit of shipping giant CMA CGM Group, which bought over homegrown company Neptune Orient Lines earlier this year.

According to the service schedules for APL QATAR, which could be found on CMA CGM's website, the vessel departed Kaohsiung on November 21, Monday, and arrived at Xiamen's Haitian Container Terminals the same day.

Factwire, using information from Automatic Identification System that tracks the movement and location of ships, said APL QATAR stayed in Xiamen for 16 hours, and left for Hong Kong at 10.24am on Tuesday (Nov 22).

The vessel, reportedly hoisting a Singapore flag, arrived at Hong Kong’s Kwai Tsing Container Terminal 8 at 8:32am on Wednesday (Nov 23). It was scheduled to leave Hong Kong at 3pm the same day.

The armoured vehicles were seized on Wednesday, and the vessel not allowed to depart until 5:37am on Thursday when it left for Chiwan port in Shenzhen in southern China. The shipment of the Terrex vehicles was originally scheduled to arrive in Singapore on Nov 29.

Mindef said that during the transit through Hong Kong, “customs officials raised queries if the necessary permits and declarations by APL were in order and in the process detained the Terrex ICVs”.

It added that APL officials have assured the SAF that they are working with Hong Kong authorities to resolve the issue.

Mindef said that APL was required to adhere to all regulations, including declaring the equipment it transports in the ship’s cargo manifest and obtaining the permits needed to transit through ports. “The nine Terrex ICVs are training platforms with no ammunition or sensitive equipment on board,” the ministry said.

Responding to media queries, an APL spokesperson said the firm was extending its full cooperation to the Hong Kong authorities and working with the various stakeholders. “The matter is pending discussion and we are unable to comment further,” the spokesperson said. Nevertheless, the company is “committed to ensuring cargo security as well as full compliance with all regulatory and trade requirements in its conduct of business”.

 

[eatshitndie]

More commentary:

At first, i thought these 9 Terrexes were part of an extended sales demonstration to taiwan. the reason for this is that the vehicles all had Taiwanese military license plates, which is unusual for an short term ATEC exercise as MINDEF claimed. As well, almost all the recent ATECs have been carried out in Australia Shoalwater training area under Exercise Wallaby. But upon further research, the taiwanese have their own Infantry Combat Vehicle, the CM-2 Clouded Leopard, similar in design to the Terrex. And they have a lot more of them, over 1000 vehicles. So, I think we can discount the idea that ST might have been selling the Terrex to them, although the Terrex is more sophisticated.

terrex is considered more sophisticated if it cums with kopi machine and kaya bread toaster.

 

[Papsmearer]

As far as I know, there are only 2 Motorized Infantry battalions in the SAF using the Terrex. That is 2 SIR and 5 SIR. This means that one of these 2 units were in Taiwan for ATEC and Exercise Starlight. Again, this is unusual as these are usually now done in Australia. What would possess them to use Taiwan and why do they need to ship the Terrex back?

 

[eatshitndie]

As far as I know, there are only 2 Motorized Infantry battalions in the SAF using the Terrex. That is 2 SIR and 5 SIR. This means that one of these 2 units were in Taiwan for ATEC and Exercise Starlight. Again, this is unusual as these are usually now done in Australia. What would possess them to use Taiwan and why do they need to ship the Terrex back?

is there any joint u.s.-taiwan military exercise (where a small unit of terrex may be tested by u.s. marines) that we are not aware of?