Serious Terrex AFV confiscation in HKG: The Implications and Revelations

[virus]

Well said.... the problem with our elite is that they think they are some big hoots on international stage.

But others know they are just blowing hot air..

That wud b sad dey for Lim wicked who say high pay got integrity otherwise surgeon will not operate n castrate him.

 

[Pinkieslut]

Well said.... the problem with our elite is that they think they are some big hoots on international stage.

But others know they are just blowing hot air..

The problem is our system has breed a bunch of spoon fed brain dead book smart "leaders" who would not be able to handle complex highly dynamic situations.

 

[virus]

can u zoom and see the container number?
if u can see the container number, we can find out the carrier that carry this weapon.

Pls tell me also I can buy 4D or toto

 

[batman1]

PAP only apply the rule of law on others but not themselves.When others apply the rule of law on PAP,they (PAP) will protest like a crybaby caught with the hand in the candy jar.Really no standard,not steady.

 

[Papsmearer]

Stanley Lo has typical pap mentality...confront, argue, justify

Its a complete miscalculation on the part of Vivian the Chindian. Stanley takes his orders from the MFA. So whatever the Chindian ask him to say or do, he has to do it. They should have just send Stanley in to talk to the chinese behind the scenes and see if he is a real diplomat by fixing the issue behind the public view.

 

[Papsmearer]

I disagree, should be kicked in the balls.

If they had any balls, they would not need to porlumpar for the PAP.

 

[Papsmearer]

Let the donkey tickle his balls, that is more traumatic.

Then in that case if you want traumatic, the Chinese should just let the donkey fuck him in the arse instead of kicking him in the head.

 

[Papsmearer]

What's a Singh-Lim? Another Chindian? Or a PunjaChin?

 

[Wunderfool]

It might well be like this ... after the Terrex was captured.

[video=youtube;s8Dqg6NY0sk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Dqg6NY0sk[/video]

 

[steffychun]

Screw Tim Huxley

 

[Papsmearer]

So, it seems that in a chinese article quoted in another thread in this forum, there were 12 containers in the shipment. 9 were Terrex, and the other 3 containers held live ammo and frequency hopping SINCGARS radio. The radio is of special interest to the chinese because of the cryptograhic technology it uses. The chinese would like to learn this technology as the US military also uses the same technology for encrypted communication for its units. This is a big hit to the US, I am sure that other SINCGARS sets have fallen into the hands of the Al Queda, or ISIS, or the Russians. But I have not heard of the chinese obtaining a set before. I am sure that the US will be giving Gay Loong a ear fool for losing this technology to the chinese. Its turning into a worse and worse cluster fuck.

 

[McDonaldsKid]

Singtel outage related to this?

*thoughtful *

 

[steffychun]

So, it seems that in a chinese article quoted in another thread in this forum, there were 12 containers in the shipment. 9 were Terrex, and the other 3 containers held live ammo and frequency hopping SINCGARS radio. The radio is of special interest to the chinese because of the cryptograhic technology it uses. The chinese would like to learn this technology as the US military also uses the same technology for encrypted communication for its units. This is a big hit to the US, I am sure that other SINCGARS sets have fallen into the hands of the Al Queda, or ISIS, or the Russians. But I have not heard of the chinese obtaining a set before. I am sure that the US will be giving Gay Loong a ear fool for losing this technology to the chinese. Its turning into a worse and worse cluster fuck.

Wait till they seize a shipment of Leopard 2 tanks.

 

[numero uno]

Singtel outage related to this?

*thoughtful *

hhahahha. probbaly the PLA have hacked and used the super secret communications jamming technology in the 3 seized containers and test it out on singtel network to make sure it works and no trojan horse.. oopmenat no trojan donkey hahhahahh. singtel get pawned.

 

[Papsmearer]

This whole incident still shows a shocking lack of leadership and critical thinking on the part of the Paralyzed Actionless Pathetics. The number of missteps keep piling up and it is just making the situation worse.

1) It took days (at least 4 days by my count) for a senior Minister or General to speak up and comment on the seizure of the Terrexes. What were they waiting for? Sitting around singing Kumbaya?

2) They immediately made a mistake by sending a show of force military delegation to HKG to "secure" the AFVs. Not knowing or realizing that if the Chinese don't let you near them, this SAF team will secure is some shopping time in Causeway Bay.

3) Stanley Loh made comments on the situation that so irritated the Chinese that a PRC publication has called for him to be kicked in the head by a donkey.

4) Teo, MG Melvyn, etc are all still blaming the shipper APL for not preparing the right document and all that crap. APL does not care. They already earned the money. They are big enough that they can easily survive without MINDEF's business.

5) They are all indirectly blaming the PRC by saying that they have shipped using the same carrier before, but not revealing whether they have transited thru PRC ports before, and are bewildered that now there is a problem when previously there were non. They don't admit that the relationships between the 2 countries have changed in the last month or so with the chinese and the PAP exchanging sharp comments about each other. The prudent thing would be to either hold the Terrex in ROC until the situation calms down between the 2 countries or simply ship avoiding all the chinese ports. This fault rests squarely on the PAP and MINDEF/SAF. Their failure to admit this when the rest of the world sees it is just sheer stupidity on the part of the PAP. If you and your neighbour are not getting along, will you still dare to use a shortcut through his property to get to the main road, even though you have done it many times before with no problems? The answer is NO, simply because you do not want to antagonize the neighour. Its just sheer arrogance on the part of PAP.

6) At the very outset of the seizure, the PAP should have just eaten humble pie. And send Stanley Loh or even better Vivian the Chindian or Bargain Hen on a flight to China and profusely apologize to China for shipping their AFVs with Taiwanese military license thru Chinese ports. Just admit it was a mistake and it was not designed to humiliate the chinese or make them lose face. That was the one and only chance to resolve the situation quickly and quietly. Instead the PAP and Gay loong engaged in a blame game. It was APL's fault. It was HKG custom's fault. It was the Chinese fault. etc. These morons are just molecules in the world. They can easily blame and scold Roy, or WP or AHTEC, or whatever shit thing they want in their own country but when you are on the world stage, you are a small fry pees sai that no one cares about.

All in all, there is no better proof right now that the PAP is shit useless in the international stage.

 

[Papsmearer]

More fucking PAP excuses and blaming everyone except themselves.

[h=1]What's behind Singapore's latest run-ins with Beijing[/h]
[h=2]In a nutshell, China has changed, and Singapore has to chart a course that protects its interests[/h] Singapore-China relations appear to have taken a turn for the worse.
The recent seizure of nine Singapore Armed Forces armoured vehicles in Hong Kong is the latest in a series of incidents that have made many wonder what is happening between the two countries.
Why is it that what appeared to have been acceptable in the past is now viewed by one party in a different light?


In the case of the SAF carriers, they were in transit in Hong Kong en route to Singapore after their deployment in Taiwan where SAF troops hold regular exercises.
Singapore's military arrange- ment with Taiwan has been a longstanding practice, started in 1975 when it was building its armed forces from scratch and needed space not available in its own country for training purposes.


Chinese leaders might not have liked the arrangement but they did not make a public issue of it.


Indeed, it did not stop the two countries from establishing diplomatic relations in 1990.
Suddenly, Beijing now says it has a serious problem with it, going by what its spokesman was quoted as saying: "The Chinese government has always firmly opposed countries that have diplomatic ties with China to have any form of official exchanges with Taiwan, including military exchanges and cooperation."
When relations between two countries turn sour, the past can be recast and reinterpreted.
The same could be said about China's displeasure over Singapore's position on the South China Sea (SCS) issue.
Singapore has said that, as it is not a claimant country, it will not take sides in the dispute which involves several South-east Asian nations and China.
But it hopes the disagreements will be settled peacefully according to established principles: Adherence to international laws and the protection of freedom of navigation in the affected waters.
Singapore has stuck closely and consistently to these principles which China did not take issue with in the past.
In recent years, though, China has become more assertive, constructing various facilities on some of the disputed islands and refusing to take part or accept the verdict of an international tribunal which had ruled in favour of the Philippines' case.
It has also taken issue with Singapore, accusing it, through reports in the Chinese media, of instigating other Asean countries to take an unfriendly position regarding the SCS issue, a charge Singapore has vigorously denied.
Why is Singapore's consistent position on the SCS now viewed so antagonistically and provoking such a strong reaction from Beijing? The short answer: China has changed.
As Professor Wang Gungwu, a noted historian, observed last week at a forum, China today isn't the same country as the one which needed help from many countries, including Singapore, in the 1980s and 1990s to develop its economy.
"The China that needed our external help is no longer that way at all. China now is actually in the position of being looked to for help... and Singapore has to reassess its position not because of anything specific that Singapore has done or what the Chinese have done."
The change has been most pronounced in the economic sphere. China is now the largest trading partner of almost all the countries in the region, including Singapore, and is the largest source of tourism and investments.
This economic impact has been mainly positive, boosting growth and opportunities for many countries which have benefited from the vast and growing Chinese market.
But along with its economic strength has come political and military clout.
As its influence and ability to project its power increases, China is changing the geopolitical landscape.
The most significant impact of this will be in the shifting balance of power between China and the United States, but this re-balancing will take some time because America is a superpower and will not cede ground easily.
But smaller countries do not enjoy this advantage and will feel China's growing weight more dramatically, like small buoys in the sea buffeted by a supertanker passing by.
Because of its proximity, South-east Asia will be one of those most affected.
China's growing assertiveness in the South China Sea dispute is but one manifestation of this, and there will no doubt be many others.
In such a scenario, it would be unrealistic to expect a trouble-free time as countries in the region adjust to the new reality.
In fact, many South-east Asian states have already shifted their positions, the most dramatic being the Philippines led by newly elected President Rodrigo Duterte, who declared recently that his country had realigned with China and was moving away from the US.
There is bound to be friction and tension in the coming years as governments make adjustments to accommodate the new growing power.
Singapore's recent problems with China should be seen in this light - an inevitable clashing of gears as the many moving parts change direction and, sometimes, collide.
It would be highly unusual if there were no ups and downs as the balance of power shifts.
It is important, therefore, to take a longer-term view of the changing ties and chart a course that ensures Singapore's interests are protected in the foreseeable future.
This is especially pertinent as Singapore has many other interests and linkages with the rest of the world which it assiduously developed over the years.
These overlapping relationships have made the country what it is today - globally connected and relevant - and have been a large part of what made it successful.
It cannot suddenly change course without serious damage to its international standing.
But it also makes for a more challenging foreign policy because some of these countries have different and competing interests with China.
As the balance of power shifts, Singapore will have to make new calculations and adjustments.
It will require nimble and adroit leadership able to navigate the changing landscape.
But the people, too, need to understand the new realities and not become unduly flustered or, worse, panicked into submission at the slightest pressure.
They should know that how Singapore responds to Chinese action can have far-reaching consequences for itself and the region, and that it isn't just a simple matter of not displeasing China for the moment, whatever the costs.
Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan was right to point out that the relationship isn't defined by one single issue but is multifaceted .
Singaporeans need to have a deeper understanding of how the world is changing, how the changes affect the country, where their interests lie, and what it takes to do well in the new environment.
These are testing times; they are a foretaste of more to come.

• The writer is also a senior fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

 

[mojito]

Wow what an elaborate plot to bring America back to Asia and the TPP. I am impressed. Loong is indeed a genius!

 

[ckmpd]

Wow what an elaborate plot to bring America back to Asia and the TPP. I am impressed. Loong is indeed a genius!

A genius Loong is indeed! Instead of planning for SG's future, Loong planned to sue a jobless citizen

 

[mojito]

A genius Loong is indeed! Instead of planning for SG's future, Loong planned to sue a jobless citizen

Clearly you do not understand the Great Game. Seems like we control the board, son!

 

[ckmpd]

Clearly you do not understand the Great Game. Seems like we control the board, son!

LHL thinks he knows the Great Game. LHL also thinks that Xi and Trump do not understand the Great Game