Serious Terrex AFV confiscation in HKG: The Implications and Revelations

[The_Hypocrite]

My read on this is that the longer the Terrex are in the hands of HKG, the lesser the chances of getting them back. The PAP has completely played this whole thing wrong. Sending an SAF team right away to HKG to "secure" the Terrex is like throwing oil on the fire. Already, PRC has a problem with your military relationship with Taiwan and now you send a SAF team into HKG. Why could they not send a ST Engineering team instead or a a diplomatic civilian team, or even an SAF team disguised as diplomats and ST engineers?

It seems to me that from the outset, Bargain Hen and Vivian the Chindian has treated this like a legal issue, a paperwork issue, and a shipping issue. Its neither. Its a political issue. therefore, the recourse is not in HKG, it has to come from Beijing. Its no point going to APL and giving them shit and making them go to 7 hour meetings with HKG customs to try and get the vehicles back. Its better for them to send a delegation to Beijing and apologize and talk to the real power there. But these morons do not understand this. They have too much pride to go hand in hat to beijing and and ask for their property back. The longer they delay serious talks with the Beijing, the more they piss off the chinese.

Just to look at this in perspective. One motorized infantry regiment like 2 SIR or 5 SIR has a complement of 45 Terrex. In one stroke, we have lost one fifth of the strength of our motorized regiment. Its amazing in its severity. we could send 2 SIR to fight in Iraq or Syria tomorrow and it might take them 2 weeks to lose 9 vehicles. We lost 9 vehicles in 2 hours. Fucking stupid.

Uh when the problem 1st happen. Should not the Singkieland ambassador to Ah tiong land call president xi to resolve it? N should not the Singkieland representative to HK call the HK gahmen? Tat should be the 1st step. But it seems all this diplomatic protocol was not done. Than all the bs with sending SAF teams n the shit coming from pinky n Vivian n ah hen makes things worse

 

[Papsmearer]

Uh when the problem 1st happen. Should not the Singkieland ambassador to Ah tiong land call president xi to resolve it? N should not the Singkieland representative to HK call the HK gahmen? Tat should be the 1st step. But it seems all this diplomatic protocol was not done. Than all the bs with sending SAF teams n the shit coming from pinky n Vivian n ah hen makes things worse

Yes, agreed that is what they should have done. But the stupid fucks thought they were still in zikapore and not in HKG. They immediately went into blame mode, because that is what they do best. Blame the shipper APL. Blame the HKG customs because they never confiscate them before. Blame the chinese for changing their policies on zikapore military ties with Taiwan and not informing them. Blame the chinese for not following the law and taking their property.

 

[rushifa666]

how can? we big fuck you know. after smuggling tanks vivian still got face to talk about ties, while retarded hen ask to show cause. Every heroin trafficker should use this from now on

 

[virus]

Uh when the problem 1st happen. Should not the Singkieland ambassador to Ah tiong land call president xi to resolve it? N should not the Singkieland representative to HK call the HK gahmen? Tat should be the 1st step. But it seems all this diplomatic protocol was not done. Than all the bs with sending SAF teams n the shit coming from pinky n Vivian n ah hen makes things worse

U must understand. I instructed eleven not to take . he agree this kisswahlan bugger is up to no good. New year Xmas also never send hamper stuff with Singapore bond. Help never give. Trouble plenty. Ask the kisswahlan bugger step one side.

 

[scroobal]

When Suzhou became a problem, old man flew to Beijing to meet Deng. He assumed that he had a direct line for all things PRC with Deng as they had a number of meetings on other issues. Deng coveniently told him that it was not within his remit to interfere with provincial matters despite the fact that he was the surpreme being.

This is not a case of settlement talk with the headman over turf. The instructions to seize could have only come from Beijing. The intention is to see why USMC had shortlisted the Terrex. All nations would make use of such opportunities when the other party screws up. Singapore royally screwed up.

The commercial and legal approach was the only thing to do to mitigate an existing bad situation. Everyone knows these items will be returned in due course after everything is examined. The HK authorities to date have not been able to state the reason and the law under which the seizure occurred which shows poor form. And that is the intention - to show how they cannot explain themselves. In a way its wayang show to please the locals here.

I don't think the people of a sovereign nation is prepared to see their leaders grovel to a bully with cap in hand. After all we have the capacity to write-off the entire seized inventory without blinking an eye. Its a drop in the ocean. Why lose your dignity over a couple of military hardware.

If anything, this govt must realise that they created this mess. Heads do have to roll. And they have to show the locals that they have acted against those who screwed up. Its the last that many have no confidence in.

Uh when the problem 1st happen. Should not the Singkieland ambassador to Ah tiong land call president xi to resolve it? N should not the Singkieland representative to HK call the HK gahmen? Tat should be the 1st step. But it seems all this diplomatic protocol was not done. Than all the bs with sending SAF teams n the shit coming from pinky n Vivian n ah hen makes things worse

 

[Papsmearer]

The commercial and legal approach was the only thing to do to mitigate an existing bad situation. Everyone knows these items will be returned in due course after everything is examined. The HK authorities to date have not been able to state the reason and the law under which the seizure occurred which shows poor form. And that is the intention - to show how they cannot explain themselves. In a way its wayang show to please the locals here.

I don't think the people of a sovereign nation is prepared to see their leaders grovel to a bully with cap in hand. After all we have the capacity to write-off the entire seized inventory without blinking an eye. Its a drop in the ocean. Why lose your dignity over a couple of military hardware.

If anything, this govt must realise that they created this mess. Heads do have to roll. And they have to show the locals that they have acted against those who screwed up. Its the last that many have no confidence in.

Stop swallowing the PAP party line. Its bullshit and you are are making an ass of yourself. The HKG customs already explained when they first seized the Terrex that weapons are strictly prohibited in HKG. Although such weapons shipments can transit thru HKG, there was already mention of missing paperwork and documents. U yourself have said in another thread that APL and MINDEF were going back thru years of paperwork to see what is the difference. Missing paperwork for a weapons shipment is already grounds for the seizure. What other reason do the HKG authorities need?

In addition, MG Melvyn Ong has already revealed there were small arms in the shipment. Small arms meaning handguns, rifles and even up to MG. You still think HKG need to provide you with a reason? When the SPF catches a drug smuggler at Changi, do they wait for a formal explanation as to why he is smuggling drugs? being caught red handed with the Terrex is not justification enough?

With regards to bullying, you think this is bullying by China? This is nothing. They can do things to us that will cost us hundreds of millions a day in losses and damages. That would be bullying.

By the way, I would'nt hold your breathe to think the Terrex will be returned.

 

[3_M]

Don't see it as bully as far as politics goes whether it local or international politics.

If you do something against my interests, don't expect charity from me. Of course politicians at the receiving end would like to construe issue in this way to win more sympathy. As a matter of fact our govt would do the same to others who stands in the way of their political interests. E.g how PAP treats oppositions.

 

[Papsmearer]

Don't see it as bully as far as politics goes whether it local or international politics.

If you do something against my interests, don't expect charity from me. Of course politicians at the receiving end would like to construe issue in this way to win more sympathy. As a matter of fact our govt would do the same to others who stands in the way of their political interests. E.g how PAP treats oppositions.

So when Indonesia named those 2 navy ships after their terrorists who attacked singapore, why didn't the PAP shout bully?
When ROC politicians call Zikapore a peesai, I did not see the PAP calling them bullies.
When Malaysia did not renew our water treaty, I did not hear the PAP call them bullies either
When Duerte threatened to burn the Singapore flag, why was he not called a bully?

Now all of a sudden, the prostitute press is calling China bullies for a transgression perpetrated by MINDEF in the first place.

 

[eatshitndie]

Stop swallowing the PAP party line. Its bullshit and you are are making an ass of yourself. The HKG customs already explained when they first seized the Terrex that weapons are strictly prohibited in HKG. Although such weapons shipments can transit thru HKG, there was already mention of missing paperwork and documents. U yourself have said in another thread that APL and MINDEF were going back thru years of paperwork to see what is the difference. Missing paperwork for a weapons shipment is already grounds for the seizure. What other reason do the HKG authorities need?

port authorities and agents of beijing in xiamen could have easily seized the shipment but craftily alerted hk port authorities about the military cargo knowing well that hk has laws against undocumented and undeclared military cargo being docked or transhipped via her port. if xiamen confiscated the terrexes, it would be clearly seen as prc manhandling matters with their own hands. but with hk seizing them using hk laws, prc have passed the proverbial buck to a surrogate with potential airing of dirty sinkie laundry in hk courts benched by hk attorneys and judges. better for sg to settle behind closed doors than to be dragged through the hk court system. years of shenanigans and international arms trafficking including collusion with nk military transhipments through sg and many other ports using flags of convenience will be sexposed. it will brand sg as an illegal international arms and military equipment trafficker if this drags through hk courts.

 

[Papsmearer]

port authorities and agents of beijing in xiamen could have easily seized the shipment but craftily alerted hk port authorities about the military cargo knowing well that hk has laws against undocumented and undeclared military cargo being docked or transhipped via her port. if xiamen confiscated the terrexes, it would be clearly seen as prc manhandling matters with their own hands. but with hk seizing them using hk laws, prc have passed the proverbial buck to a surrogate with potential airing of dirty sinkie laundry in hk courts benched by hk attorneys and judges. better for sg to settle behind closed doors than to be dragged through the hk court system. years of shenanigans and international arms trafficking including collusion with nk military transhipments through sg and many other ports using flags of convenience will be sexposed. it will brand sg as an illegal international arms and military equipment trafficker if this drags through hk courts.

U raise several excellent points. bargain Hen better be careful what he wished for. He is treating this as a legal and custom matter. Very well, if it goes to court, does he really want the SAF to be dragged through all that? They played in the chinese hands and were really suckers in this whole thing. U are right in that the AFVs could have been seized in Xiamen. But even the chinese know that if they seized them in Xiamen, it will create an international storm. A communist dictatorial country with no rule of law just seized 9 Terrex. Looks a lot worse then a country like HKG with a western and british style legal system doing the seizing.

Not to mention that the SAF/ST have not had clean records in the past. Selling Ultimax 100 and SA80s to the Bosnians in the Balkan wars while the whole region was under arms embargo. Even Somali pirates are using the SA80, which they stole or bought or captured from some African warlord that ST sold them to in the first place. As well as weapons sales to Myanmar when it was still under sanctions at that time, etc. In a HKG court, all these past transgressions by singapore can be used as circumstantial evidence that these 9 terrex were on their way to some other embargoed country as an illegal arms sales, and hence were seized. Does the PAP want these things exposed in the international world press?

Truly the Chindian and bargain hen did not get together to figure out what skeletons are in their closets. As well, the fucktards in their office have not thought that far ahead. If they keep pushing the legal angle, that is where they will end up. Like you said, it has to be solved behind closed doors with Beijing. So what are the chances that a contrite and apologetic team from the PAP will fly to Beijing and say sorry? Not a chance in hell.

 

[Dreamer1]

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[Reddog]

Yes, agreed that is what they should have done. But the stupid fucks thought they were still in zikapore and not in HKG. They immediately went into blame mode, because that is what they do best. Blame the shipper APL. Blame the HKG customs because they never confiscate them before. Blame the chinese for changing their policies on zikapore military ties with Taiwan and not informing them. Blame the chinese for not following the law and taking their property.

Honest mistake. They thought it was another AHPETC type issue, where they have absolute control. Ha Ha.

 

[Papsmearer]

Honest mistake. They thought it was another AHPETC type issue, where they have absolute control. Ha Ha.

Yup. some jackass was too busy kissing arse at MINDEF instead of reading the newspaper. If they had
done so, they would have found out that NOL who owns APL has been sold to the French company and that they have no more control over the shipping.

 

[ckmpd]

how can? we big fuck you know. after smuggling tanks vivian still got face to talk about ties, while retarded hen ask to show cause. Every heroin trafficker should use this from now on

LHL asked NEH to settle this Terrex ICV issue. NEH feels that VB must come into the picture too as it affects Foreign Affairs.

When it comes to pay, LHL, NEH and VB want the highest.

When it comes to dealing with China, LHL sends NEH and NEH wants VB to be in too

 

[ckmpd]

Honest mistake. They thought it was another AHPETC type issue, where they have absolute control. Ha Ha.

PAP is feeling the pressure now that it is on the receiving end.

Let us see how long China wants to punish and humiliate LHL

 

[Papsmearer]

So the big question is what can the PAP do if the PRC does not return the Terrex?

I suspect not much. They can try and bring them to an international court of law like the one at the Hague. But if the Chinese don't want to return it, will they start reprisals against the chinese?

They can cancel all SAF exercises with the PLA and sever all military ties with them. The PRC will likely retaliate in some way, but how far will they go? Recall all their citizens from singapore. prohibit sinkies from traveling and doing business in China?

How far will the PAP escalate this? I think they can write off $50 million in equipment as a freebie to the Chinese. Really incompetent on their part.

 

[Papsmearer]

My read on this is that the longer the Terrex are in the hands of HKG, the lesser the chances of getting them back. The PAP has completely played this whole thing wrong. Sending an SAF team right away to HKG to "secure" the Terrex is like throwing oil on the fire. Already, PRC has a problem with your military relationship with Taiwan and now you send a SAF team into HKG. Why could they not send a ST Engineering team instead or a a diplomatic civilian team, or even an SAF team disguised as diplomats and ST engineers?

It seems to me that from the outset, Bargain Hen and Vivian the Chindian has treated this like a legal issue, a paperwork issue, and a shipping issue. Its neither. Its a political issue. therefore, the recourse is not in HKG, it has to come from Beijing. Its no point going to APL and giving them shit and making them go to 7 hour meetings with HKG customs to try and get the vehicles back. Its better for them to send a delegation to Beijing and apologize and talk to the real power there. But these morons do not understand this. They have too much pride to go hand in hat to beijing and and ask for their property back. The longer they delay serious talks with the Beijing, the more they piss off the chinese.

Just to look at this in perspective. One motorized infantry regiment like 2 SIR or 5 SIR has a complement of 45 Terrex. In one stroke, we have lost one fifth of the strength of our motorized regiment. Its amazing in its severity. we could send 2 SIR to fight in Iraq or Syria tomorrow and it might take them 2 weeks to lose 9 vehicles. We lost 9 vehicles in 2 hours. Fucking stupid.

Looks like the PAP morons waited too long, either that or Lee Chi-Horng has been reading our thread.

Lee Chi-horng, a research fellow at the Singapore-based Longus Research Institute, said Beijing was dismayed that Singaporean Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen had kept pressing Hong Kong to give legal reasons for impounding the vehicles.
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
Singapore must ‘abide by HK law’

 

[Papsmearer]

[h=1]Singapore must abide by Hong Kong laws on impounded vehicles, Beijing says[/h]

Central government digs in its heels on seizure, citing one-China policy and local rules in response to city state’s demand for an explanation

Beijing reiterated its call for Singapore to respect the one-China policy and abide by Hong Kong law on Wednesday, to help properly resolve the controversy over the impounding of the city state’s armoured vehicles.
Analysts said that the remarks by Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang reflected Beijing’s frustration over Singapore’s handling of its ties with Taiwan, and the fact that the two nations still had unsettled issues.
Singapore’s Ministry of Defence repeated on Tuesday that it had yet to receive a formal explanation about the impounding of nine of its armoured troop carriers by Hong Kong customs, two weeks after the saga erupted.


The vehicles were impounded in Hong Kong as they were being delivered back to Singapore after they were used for training in Taiwan. The vehicles are believed to have been employed as part of Project Starlight – an agreement reached between the city state and Taipei more than four decades ago that allows Singaporean troops to train in Taiwan.
“We hope related parties can stick to the one-China policy and abide by laws and regulations in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region,” Lu said.
The dispute comes at a time of cool relations between China and Singapore, which is viewed by Beijing as backing the Philippines in its territorial dispute with China.
Singapore and Taiwan have a long military relationship, with the space-starved city state sending thousands of troops a year for training alongside Taiwan’s military under Project Starlight.


Beijing opposes other countries having any form of official exchanges with Taipei, including military ones.
“For Singapore, it may think its military training in Taiwan is just habitual. But the seized armoured vehicles gave China a chance to draw a red line for Singapore,” said Xu Liping, a senior researcher specialising in Southeast Asian studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.
“Singapore’s Project Starlight broke the one-China policy, and Beijing wants Singapore to respect China’s core interests,” Xu added.
Dai Fan, a Southeast Asia analyst at Jinan University in Guangzhou, said Project Starlight had continued for decades, and that Singapore would not abandon it.


“And after taking Singapore’s long relationship with Taiwan and the US pivot to Asia strategy into consideration, I do not think Singapore will switch the project from Taiwan to the Chinese mainland,” said Dai, referring to Beijing offering the city state the use of Hainan as a training base.
“Singapore might concede to a certain extent, but it’s difficult for Singapore to totally abandon Taiwan,” he said.
Lee Chi-horng, a research fellow at the Singapore-based Longus Research Institute, said Beijing was dismayed that Singaporean Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen had kept pressing Hong Kong to give legal reasons for impounding the vehicles.

 

[steffychun]

http://www.todayonline.com/world/making-sense-terrex-incident

Por lumpar

 

[iluvgst]

pay these ministers so much, and they cannot do their job well. taxpayers are not getting their money's worth.