Tan Kin Lian replies to "smears"

[cleareyes]

Thank you for admitting that this website is not for serious people but those people that enjoy to allege, displace, smears and disproving others. I think indirectly, for those nothing-to-do or good-for-nothing people to gather instead. Please do not think I am referring to you because someone said : Freedom of speech and this is solely my observation though.

From such a reply, you have indicated to me your lack of understanding of forums, their nature and characteristic.

If you are unable to understand even the basic of cyber-interactions, I m not too comfortable with the notion of you speaking up for TKL, given you have already display certain negative traits thatb would does his campiagn more harm than good.

 

[scroobal]

You brought up FISCA. No one else did and you now pushing the responsibility to ROS. Is Tan Kin Lian standing for transparency and accountability or do we have to refer to ROS. I think the general public relied on public regulatory bodies to keep an on NKF and they failed.

If Tan Kin Lian is not standing for public office, I am sure you would understand that nobody will be be bothered. There is expectation of full disclosure from candidates in order to allow informed decisions to be made.

Yes. Transparent to the member exclusively. For public, the decision is with the association. The FISCA is under the supervision of Registry of Societies (ROS).

 

[victoros]

Wait a minutes, Scroobal. When did I ever push the blame to ROS at anytime ? Apparently, you were asking some questions (like committee members) pertaining to FISCA and I merely suggest that if you are really interested to know, you should contact ROS for information instead. Please do not put words in my mouth simply because you do not understand simple English. Please show me in any of my respond earlier that I am putting the "blame" to ROS.

You brought up FISCA. No one else did and you now push the blame to ROS. Is Tan Kin Lian standing for transparency and accountability or do we have to refer to ROS. I think the general public relied on public regulatory bodies to keep an on NKF and they failed.

If Tan Kin Lian is not standing for public office, I am sure you would understand that nobody will be be bothered. There is expectation of full disclosure from candidates in order to allow informed decisions to be made.

 

[scroobal]

You don't even know what you wrote. You raised FISCA as an achievement, you also claimed to be a member and questions are being sought. I am wondering if you are indeed a troll as someone suggested earlier.

Wait a minutes, Scroobal. When did I ever push the blame to ROS at anytime ? Apparently, you were asking some questions (like committee members) pertaining to FISCA and I merely suggest that if you are really interested to know, you should contact ROS for information instead. Please do not put words in my mouth simply because you do not understand simple English. Please show me in any of my respond earlier that I am putting the "blame" to ROS.

 

[jw5]

My apology to Kin Lian to cause such misunderstanding and aspersion due to my request of him helping me out during the campaign. He didn't utter a word of blame upon me for this matter but I feel that I will need to clarify here.

Goh Meng Seng

Ok, you asked for his help during the campaign.
But he asked for your help in picking up the nomination forms didn't he? And when you couldn't, he asked Png. Did he clarify why he asked you and then Png and not anyone else?

What would be useful are the following:
1. A timeline
2. A response to the issue of the "petition".

Thank you.

 

[victoros]

Scroobal. I did mentioned and clarified that Tan Kin Lian forming FISCA was to educate and protect consumers. However, I do not think even Tan Kin Lian will agree that this is an achievement but, probably something right to do so instead - considering his experiences.

Yes, I also claimed that I am an ordinary member of the FISCA. Subsequently, you questioned about the committee member for FISCA - or whether there is such committee presence. I explained that it is impossible to register an association in Singapore without a standing committee. You came up with more questions about FISCA and I suggest that you should contact ROS if you wish to know more about FISCA or other related matters. Obviously, I know every well what I am writing about and I hope you understand my explaination too.

You don't even know what you wrote. You raised FISCA as an achievement, you also claimed to be a member and questions are being sought. I am wondering if you are indeed a troll as someone suggested earlier.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Actually, I was the one who called him about whether he is running for Presidential Elections just 1 or 2 weeks after GE2011. Yes, I initiated it. I told him, if time allow, I can help him, even to collect the forms, no problems.

Don't be too presumptuous. Just happen that when the announcement was made and the dates set to collect forms, I wasn't in town. Just too bad.

Goh Meng Seng

Ok, you asked for his help during the campaign.
But he asked for your help in picking up the nomination forms didn't he? And when you couldn't, he asked Png. Did he clarify why he asked you and then Png and not anyone else?

What would be useful are the following:
1. A timeline
2. A response to the issue of the "petition".

Thank you.

 

[victoros]

I really do not understand why some people keep questioning about the Presidential petition. Firstly, I wish to clarify that Tan Kin Lian initialized many online petitions previously. The Presidential petition was not the first petition and I reckon it will not be the final petition too.

I recalled Tan Kin Lian initialized the Presidential petition in 2008. That was when many people wanted Tan Kin Lian to contest for the Presidential Election, which must take place before August 2011. I believe Tan Kin Lian at that moment, was unsure whether he wants to contest and obviously, he has many other concerns as well. His immediate thought to initialize the Presidential online petition then was simple ... and that is if he can garner enough people willing to support him.

I was told that the respond was fairly overwhelming in the beginning but unfortunately, as time goes by, it begins to slowdown and ultimately, almost to a standstill with a few supporters per week. I am not surprised because many people, and including myself, think the timing is still so far away from Presidential Election and did not bother to put our names forward. Moreover, Tan Kin Lian did not also aggressively emphasize the Presidential petition on his blog too. Eventually, the Presidential online petition received less than 1,000 signatories and Tan Kin Lian also did not focus on this petition after a while later. I understand a typical petition from Tan Kin Lian from his blog, for example calling MAS/CAD to investigate against financial advisers, will usually received over 1,000 signatories.

Hence, in summary, the previous Presidential online petition holds little significant now but judging from the present respond from the ground, Tan Kin Lian believes he has an equal chance competing with other Presidential candidates. In my opinion, our new EP must be honest, fair minded, courageous and have a strong sense of right and wrong. He does not have to be highly educated or of high calibre but more in tune with the people that he represents. I am very confident that Tan Kin Lian fits the bill though.

Ok, you asked for his help during the campaign.
But he asked for your help in picking up the nomination forms didn't he? And when you couldn't, he asked Png. Did he clarify why he asked you and then Png and not anyone else?

What would be useful are the following:
1. A timeline
2. A response to the issue of the "petition".

Thank you.

 

[jw5]

Actually, I was the one who called him about whether he is running for Presidential Elections just 1 or 2 weeks after GE2011. Yes, I initiated it. I told him, if time allow, I can help him, even to collect the forms, no problems.

Don't be too presumptuous. Just happen that when the announcement was made and the dates set to collect forms, I wasn't in town. Just too bad.

Goh Meng Seng

I'm not being "presumptuous". Many people are asking the same questions in the forum.
You disclosed in this forum that you were asked, but was not able to collect the forms for TKL, because Scroobal had this theory that TKL thought he already had NSP support, hence he asked Png.
You didn't reveal this to provide forummers with more information to make a better decision or in the name of truth and fairness.

The question for TKL (or you) is this:
Other than 2 people from opposition parties who just stood for elections in GE 2011, did he have anyone else he could have asked to collect the nomination forms for the presidential election?

One more thing GMS. It's perfectly fine to support one or another candidate for president and to state the reasons. After all, there are only 3 chaps, and all are ex pap. The thing is this: Do you see where we are coming from with the questions about nomination forms and petitions? And are simply saying it's not that important for the decision? Or do you not see it at all?

 

[jw5]

I really do not understand why some people keep questioning about the Presidential petition. Firstly, I wish to clarify that Tan Kin Lian initialized many online petitions previously. The President petition was not the first petition and I reckon it will not be the final petition too.

Hence, in summary, the previous President online petition holds little significant now but judging from the present respond from the ground, Tan Kin Lian believes he has an equal chance competing with other Presidential candidates. In my opinion, our new EP must be honest, fair minded, courageous and have a strong sense of right and wrong. He does not have to be highly educated or of high calibre but more in tune with the people that he represents. I am very confident that Tan Kin Lian fits the bill though.

Please read my post #25 in this thread. It explains why the petition still irritates me to this day and I have a negative perception of TKL because of it.

As for your support of TKL, as I told GMS, you are entitled to it. Fair enough, after all there are only 3 candidates, all ex pap, and we have got to choose one if we intend to vote. Just understand and accept our comments and questions too, answer them if you can and please don't call us fools.

We also have reasons for raising these issues and questions, it's certainly not because we love Tony or TCB.

 

[victoros]

I have responded to your queries regarding the Presidential online petition. It was not as complicated as you think and surely, Tan Kin Lian has no hidden agenda for carrying out the online petition initially - other than what I have explained earlier.

However, I do not think your arguments were wrong. They are fair.

But, the fact that Tan Kin Lian wants those supporters that wanted him to contest for Presidential Election to commit in signing the petition, I think this is reasonable too.

Afterall, the person signing the petition is just expressing a wish for Tan Kin Lian to contest the election. They may not even vote for Tan Kin Lian eventually !

As I have explained, the Presidential petition has been discontinued long ago. It is no longer significant now.

Please read my post #25 in this thread. It explains why the petition still irritates me to this day and I have a negative perception of TKL because of it.

As for your support of TKL, as I told GMS, you are entitled to it. Fair enough, after all there are only 3 candidates, all ex pap, and we have got to choose one if we intend to vote. Just understand and accept our comments and questions too, answer them if you can and please don't call us fools.

We also have reasons for raising these issues and questions, it's certainly not because we love Tony or TCB.

 

[MightyMouse]

I have responded to your queries regarding the Presidential online petition. It was not as complicated as you think and surely, Tan Kin Lian has no hidden agenda for carrying out the online petition initially - other than what I have explained earlier.

However, I do not think your arguments were wrong. They are fair.

But, the fact that Tan Kin Lian wants those supporters that wanted him to contest for Presidential Election to commit in signing the petition, I think this is reasonable too.

Afterall, the person signing the petition is just expressing a wish for Tan Kin Lian to contest the election. They may not even vote for Tan Kin Lian eventually !

As I have explained, the Presidential petition has been discontinued long ago. It is no longer significant now.

If the petition was just a petition without a target and for the purpose of gauging his public support, then its fine and dandy. But the main grouse is that Mr Tan Kin Lian had set himself and everyone else a target of 100,000 signatories. We are asking him why he set the target and why he is continuing with the Presidential campaigning despite the fact that the petition fell 99% short of his requirement?

He shot himself in the foot. Not the forumers here!

 

[victoros]

MightyMouse. The Presidential campaigning has been active for less than 2 months before it was discontinue. Hence, it is incorrect that you said "the petition fell short of his requirement".

You may be right to comment on why setting a target but this is just like the mindset of two 100 meters runners at the starting point. One runner wants to win - while the other runner wants to win in less than 10 seconds. Do you think the latter runner was "shooting himself" if he came in at 11 seconds but still qualify as a champion ?

The target is just merely a target. In this case, Tan Kin Lian setting a target for himself to reach, not for the public.

If the petition was just a petition without a target and for the purpose of gauging his public support, then its fine and dandy. But the main grouse is that Mr Tan Kin Lian had set himself and everyone else a target of 100,000 signatories. We are asking him why he set the target and why he is continuing with the Presidential campaigning despite the fact that the petition fell 99% short of his requirement?

He shot himself in the foot. Not the forumers here!

 

[victoros]

MightyMouse. The Presidential campaign has been active for less than 2 months before it was discontinue. Hence, it is incorrect that you said "the petition fell short of his requirement".

You may be right to comment on why setting a target but this is just like the mindset of two 100 meters runners at the starting point. One runner wants to win - while the other runner wants to win in less than 10 seconds. Do you think the latter runner was "shooting himself" if he came in at 11 seconds but still qualify as a champion ?

The target is just merely a target. In this case, Tan Kin Lian setting a target for himself to reach, not for the public.

If the petition was just a petition without a target and for the purpose of gauging his public support, then its fine and dandy. But the main grouse is that Mr Tan Kin Lian had set himself and everyone else a target of 100,000 signatories. We are asking him why he set the target and why he is continuing with the Presidential campaigning despite the fact that the petition fell 99% short of his requirement?

He shot himself in the foot. Not the forumers here!

 

[Debonerman]

MightyMouse. The Presidential campaign has been active for less than 2 months before it was discontinue. Hence, it is incorrect that you said "the petition fell short of his requirement".

You may be right to comment on why setting a target but this is just like the mindset of two 100 meters runners at the starting point. One runner wants to win - while the other runner wants to win in less than 10 seconds. Do you think the latter runner was "shooting himself" if he came in at 11 seconds but still qualify as a champion ?

The target is just merely a target. In this case, Tan Kin Lian setting a target for himself to reach, not for the public.

What a poor metaphor from another Tan Kin Lian prostitute! Not very far apart from the white haired one!

I got a better one.

A conniving and vicious in nature motherfucking bastard asked for women to give credence to his virility ended up with what akin to a slap in the face that he is nothing but a premature ejaculating fucker!

 

[karmabear]

MightyMouse. The Presidential campaign has been active for less than 2 months before it was discontinue. Hence, it is incorrect that you said "the petition fell short of his requirement".

You may be right to comment on why setting a target but this is just like the mindset of two 100 meters runners at the starting point. One runner wants to win - while the other runner wants to win in less than 10 seconds. Do you think the latter runner was "shooting himself" if he came in at 11 seconds but still qualify as a champion ?

The target is just merely a target. In this case, Tan Kin Lian setting a target for himself to reach, not for the public.

Hi I just realised that TKL and his supporters are really smart people. PAP will set up their own candidate, in this case, Tony Tan. They need an opponent to give legitimacy to the EP post. However, they will seek to choose the weakest of the alternative candidates. The stronger opponents will be rejected according to their "strict" criteria.

Thus by coming online and being an ass, fucking up TKL's reputation... You have pushed TKL to be the weakest contender...thus ensuring his selection as the alternative candidate. Its fucking genius, dude

 

[Unrepented]

I recalled Tan Kin Lian initialized the Presidential petition in 2008. That was when many people wanted Tan Kin Lian to contest for the Presidential Election, which must take place before August 2011. I believe Tan Kin Lian at that moment, was unsure whether he wants to contest and obviously, he has many other concerns as well. His immediate thought to initialize the Presidential online petition then was simple ... and that is if he can garner enough people willing to support him.

It was not as complicated as you think and surely, Tan Kin Lian has no hidden agenda for carrying out the online petition initially - other than what I have explained earlier.

MightyMouse.

You may be right to comment on why setting a target but this is just like the mindset of two 100 meters runners at the starting point. One runner wants to win - while the other runner wants to win in less than 10 seconds. Do you think the latter runner was "shooting himself" if he came in at 11 seconds but still qualify as a champion ?

The target is just merely a target. In this case, Tan Kin Lian setting a target for himself to reach, not for the public.

1. First you tell us he is unsure that he wants to join the race in the first quote above. And that "if" he......

2. Then you defend the "shot in the foot" remark by forumer MightyMouse by giving an example of two runners who set out for the race regardless if their personal target is being met.

In one, meeting the target was a precondition for a decision. Later the target is no longer important.

IMO, the runner had planned to join the race in the very first place, regardless.

I try not to nitpick on the trivals, but it serves to show you as a member who twist and turn words and facts, and contradicts himself/herself.

If you want to do TKL a favour, stop representing him which I doubt he has given you the privy to do so. But you seem to speak with much authority as matters of fact.:(

 

[victoros]

Unrepented. The remark I said was in respond to MightyMouse because he was questioning why Tan Kin Lian set a target initially. Hence, I cited the two runners theory. Please do not mistaken, as I believe the target was importance to Tan Kin Lian. This is perhaps, because Tan Kin Lian has high expectation on himself.

Unfortunately, the petition has been discontinue prematurely. As such, I urge MightyMouse to move on.

I have never claim that I am representing Tan Kin Lian. However, I do not deny that I am his supporter though. I do not see any of my respond weighs authority, but of course, I speak with clear conscience.

I have already tried to play down your "my WP friend" allegation (which you admitted was wrong because I have investigated into it).

1. First you tell us he is unsure that he wants to join the race in the first quote above. And that "if" he......

2. Then you defend the "shot in the foot" remark by forumer MightyMouse by giving an example of two runners who set out for the race regardless if their personal target is being met.

In one, meeting the target was a precondition for a decision. Later the target is no longer important.

IMO, the runner had planned to join the race in the very first place, regardless.

I try not to nitpick on the trivals, but it serves to show you as a member who twist and turn words and facts, and contradicts himself/herself.

If you want to do TKL a favour, stop representing him which I doubt he has given you the privy to do so. But you seem to speak with much authority as matters of fact.:(

 

[scroobal]

That is not impression that you gave us.

As a politician you must know how important picking up the forms personally is. It's an excellent photo opportunity, to give a couple soundbites, and signal to ordinary Singaporeans that it is an important event and not a trivial matter. Why would you even think of doing it. Do you know why Tony Tan and Tan Cheng Bock went to pick up the form with so many minders ready to do it including siblings, kids and grand kids?

Actually, I was the one who called him about whether he is running for Presidential Elections just 1 or 2 weeks after GE2011. Yes, I initiated it. I told him, if time allow, I can help him, even to collect the forms, no problems.

Don't be too presumptuous. Just happen that when the announcement was made and the dates set to collect forms, I wasn't in town. Just too bad.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[kukubird58]

hahaha......my little bird heard from a demi god that papee got a secret weapon.....
those with better memory will know who he is......
for those who have forgotten, here is a clue....he was from the Aljuneid GRC.
another clue....the post of House Speaker was deemed too "small" for him.