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Tan Kin Lian replies to "smears"

Have you noticed that there has been no mention of the petition from any of his supporters?
Not in this forum anyway, not sure about other online forums, websites or blogs.
Even when many people have mentioned this or asked questions about it, not a single mention about this from his supporters.

When I heard of the petition, I was wondering, why would anyone need a petition to stand for EP? is it a show of force of popularity? And if so, to whom?

The lack of mentioning of the said petition is indeed stirring. So has the petition met its objective?

These are questions that need answers
 
Karmabear. It shows your stupidity here. Tan Kin Lian supporters will definitely devote their time to distribute flyers during the campaigning period. However, the writ has not been serve which means, no activity can take place right now. The fact that there are few netizens attempting to discredit Tan Kin Lian with false allegations and stories, one of Tan Kin Lian supporter and that is ME, decide to come forward to speak the truth instead.

Speak the Truth.....wow. Such lines brought back momoies of old sammyboy forummers such as QXP and opinion007, of whom insisted that they spoke the truth and if others differ, must be untruth.

Before you ever come into this forum or any other forums, have you check out the culture here? There will always be allegations and displacements, smears and disproving. But the actual truth of any nature will eventually present itself as forummers would be doing more digging when curiosity comes calling. When that happens, whatever "truth" been proclaim will either be validated or disprovement.

So you are proclaiming that whatever said here are not the "truth"? Then where is the justification? Or would you like some forummers to dig up more stuff till the point all you could reply are personal insults and sundry motherhood statements?
 
Well I really don't know what is wrong with people here who kept viewing everything he does as "opportunistic". Put it this way, don't you find TCB or Tony Tan opportunistic as well? TCB only resigned from PAP recently in preparation for Presidential Elections.

I would feel that the ability to carry out the exact role of checks and balances is MORE important than anything else. You may even need someone who knows how to be opportunistic to do the job!

Meng Seng my Friend

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, that is the beauty of freedom of speech.

As for doing checs and balance, again, everyone is entitled to who can really do the job based on character display and actions of the situation present.
 
GMS, with due respect to bro wikiphile, I have known for a long time that TKL was CEO of NTUC income, even though I do not know him personally and have not even met him.

What would be useful would be a rough timeline, perhaps in years would be sufficient.
1. Years at NTUC income.
2. Years as pap member
3. Blog on investments.
4. Minibond saga and both your efforts.
5. Writing to ST forum page on social issues.
6. Asking for petition before deciding on presidential election previously.
7. First showing interest in elections, either as mp or presidential candidate.

This would be highly useful in confirming or refuting a lot of statements, remarks, theories, doubts, etc.

This motion I support.
 
Speak the Truth.....wow. Such lines brought back momoies of old sammyboy forummers such as QXP and opinion007, of whom insisted that they spoke the truth and if others differ, must be untruth.

Before you ever come into this forum or any other forums, have you check out the culture here? There will always be allegations and displacements, smears and disproving. But the actual truth of any nature will eventually present itself as forummers would be doing more digging when curiosity comes calling. When that happens, whatever "truth" been proclaim will either be validated or disprovement.

So you are proclaiming that whatever said here are not the "truth"? Then where is the justification? Or would you like some forummers to dig up more stuff till the point all you could reply are personal insults and sundry motherhood statements?

TKL needs to be warned about the people who goes around internet forums claiming to speak on his behalf. Especially those who are ignorant about forum etiquette, one being, not to join in a group discussion and start knocking and slapping the members around. Clowns like these will further damage the image of those they claimed they are supporting. It is like asking a bull to go into a china shop making a mess of the place.

Members should take note that such noobs cannot be taken seriously nor give them indulgence or else they will assume they have some importance. They do not have any credibility and we should not go down to their level by hurling insults and question their intelligence. Reading their replies will enable you to judge the level of these guys. As for me I have decided they are not worth debating with as they cannot add any value than what is already known.
 
Karmabear. It shows your stupidity here. Tan Kin Lian supporters will definitely devote their time to distribute flyers during the campaigning period. However, the writ has not been serve which means, no activity can take place right now. The fact that there are few netizens attempting to discredit Tan Kin Lian with false allegations and stories, one of Tan Kin Lian supporter and that is ME, decide to come forward to speak the truth instead.

There was a reason why I did not address you directly... That's because you said you will ignore any further posts of mine since I am a person of low class and base character. You wished me all the best and will pray for me :D:D:D

I dun want to poke holes at the TKL campaign as I believed he is not a PAP man. However a fuckturd like you decide to come online and start proselytizing to us... At all times, hiding underneath TKL's underwear like an overgrown genital wart and putting forth your 5 year old son to reinforce your weak arguments... How, may I ask, have you helped the TKL campaign in this forum? This is a serious question.

I come on Sammy with very low aims, namely be a vulgar anti-PAP ass. I believe I am moderately successful. :D Your aim is to support the TKL campaign... How successful have you? You might have overrated your own intellect and grasp of local matters... And in doing so, turned many a neutral party against TKL and towards TCB. You have been scoring own goals all this while... So once again, I would suggest you stick to manual work such as distributing flyers, pasting posters etc... You might not be able to do so now but I am sure there is prep work to be done. The point is you are just not good at the role you have chosen for yourself. It has been a rather polite post as I feel sorry for TKL and his band of mentally handicapped supporters. Its like watching a fucking freak show!!! :D:D:D
 
With due respect, Tan Kin Lian didn't just "pop up" from nowhere prior to Minibond saga.

He started his blog talking about insurance and financial investment. He has his followings even before the Minibond saga exploded. I know because I was already noticing his writings on his blog before Minibond and that is first when I made my contact with him.

He was writing to ST forum on various social issues as well, prior to my contact with him. And through some brief introduction of his background by a mutual friend, I understand him better.

Well I really don't know what is wrong with people here who kept viewing everything he does as "opportunistic". Put it this way, don't you find TCB or Tony Tan opportunistic as well? TCB only resigned from PAP recently in preparation for Presidential Elections.

I would feel that the ability to carry out the exact role of checks and balances is MORE important than anything else. You may even need someone who knows how to be opportunistic to do the job!

Goh Meng Seng

GMS the next time you want to put words in my mouth, you quote my entire paragraphs and read properly

Qte
In short, the man is an opportunist, but there is nothing wrong with that since everyone of us is one. What i find disturbing is that after the end of his PAP/NTUC days he suddenly transformed himself into a demagouge crusading for the affected Singaporeans after toeing the line for 30 plus years. Many of my friends who voted for the opposition during this year's GE have the same vibes as i do, his agenda seems to be taking revenge for whatever grievances and ignominiy done to him during his men in white time and me and my friends need not even read someone else's blogs to arrive at this conclusion.
Unqte

I never really knew TCB until this GE either, and neither did i knew you existed prior to the 2006 GE. If the man feels that his opportunities are limited in Singapore, well qualified actuaries who are opportunistic are still in demand all over the world.
 
Thank you for admitting that this website is not for serious people but those people that enjoy to allege, displace, smears and disproving others. I think indirectly, for those nothing-to-do or good-for-nothing people to gather instead. Please do not think I am referring to you because someone said : Freedom of speech and this is solely my observation though.

Speak the Truth.....wow. Such lines brought back momoies of old sammyboy forummers such as QXP and opinion007, of whom insisted that they spoke the truth and if others differ, must be untruth.

Before you ever come into this forum or any other forums, have you check out the culture here? There will always be allegations and displacements, smears and disproving. But the actual truth of any nature will eventually present itself as forummers would be doing more digging when curiosity comes calling. When that happens, whatever "truth" been proclaim will either be validated or disprovement.

So you are proclaiming that whatever said here are not the "truth"? Then where is the justification? Or would you like some forummers to dig up more stuff till the point all you could reply are personal insults and sundry motherhood statements?
 
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Karmabear. I have mistaken taking your post as another poster instead. Yes, I will ignore you for sure from now onwards. You are just an uneducated person, and enjoy saying vulgarity words. You must remember that it was this fuc**** process between two human of different sexes that brought you to this world, unless yours is between dog and bitch instead. Bye.

There was a reason why I did not address you directly... That's because you said you will ignore any further posts of mine since I am a person of low class and base character. You wished me all the best and will pray for me :D:D:D

I dun want to poke holes at the TKL campaign as I believed he is not a PAP man. However a fuckturd like you decide to come online and start proselytizing to us... At all times, hiding underneath TKL's underwear like an overgrown genital wart and putting forth your 5 year old son to reinforce your weak arguments... How, may I ask, have you helped the TKL campaign in this forum? This is a serious question.

I come on Sammy with very low aims, namely be a vulgar anti-PAP ass. I believe I am moderately successful. :D Your aim is to support the TKL campaign... How successful have you? You might have overrated your own intellect and grasp of local matters... And in doing so, turned many a neutral party against TKL and towards TCB. You have been scoring own goals all this while... So once again, I would suggest you stick to manual work such as distributing flyers, pasting posters etc... You might not be able to do so now but I am sure there is prep work to be done. The point is you are just not good at the role you have chosen for yourself. It has been a rather polite post as I feel sorry for TKL and his band of mentally handicapped supporters. Its like watching a fucking freak show!!! :D:D:D
 
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GMS the next time you want to put words in my mouth, you quote my entire paragraphs and read properly

Qte
In short, the man is an opportunist, but there is nothing wrong with that since everyone of us is one. What i find disturbing is that after the end of his PAP/NTUC days he suddenly transformed himself into a demagouge crusading for the affected Singaporeans after toeing the line for 30 plus years. Many of my friends who voted for the opposition during this year's GE have the same vibes as i do, his agenda seems to be taking revenge for whatever grievances and ignominiy done to him during his men in white time and me and my friends need not even read someone else's blogs to arrive at this conclusion.
Unqte

The theme is still the same. Even before I approach him, he has already started a blog writing about issues and answering questions about investment and insurance. You are saying you don't know him prior to now but the truth is, you don't know doesn't mean he is not doing anything publicly. That's the point. He is providing a public service on his blog.

He got involved in Minibond saga basically because a lot of those victims wrote to him via his blog. He then decided to act on it. There is really nothing "opportunistic" about it.

To tell you the truth, when I approached him prior to the Minibond saga to talk about the possibility of standing as an Elected President candidate, he wasn't that keen at all. But he shared his values with me and agreed with me that something has gone wrong with the PAP's approach in governance. He declined to contest the EP but we became friends.

When the Minibond broke out, he actually requested help from some of his PAP friends first but all of them declined to help out in the Minibond campaign. It is only thereafter, he approached me to help him out with the Mandarin speeches.

In return, Kin Lian put up his promise to support me in terms of standing on my rally stage to speak for me if I ever contest for elections again (yes, I haven't decide to stand for GE at that time). Now, at that moment, he still held the view that he will not stand for EP. Another key reason for his decline on standing for EP is that he knew his wife will object. There is absolutely NOTHING OPPORTUNISTIC about speaking on my rally stage.

The Minibond saga might have influenced his initial thought of not contesting the EP. When I talked to him again about this issue later, though he is still not convinced about the merits of contesting the EP, I suggested why not we try out the will of the people by starting the petition campaign? That's how it gets started. But apparently, the response wasn't exactly good apart from the support from some of the Minibond victims. On the other hand, his wife is still resistant to that idea. Thus, we just shelved the idea aside.

A lot of things happened since then, issues of competency of PAP governance and policy issues emerged. Kin Lian started to feel the need to come forward as a candidate for EP. Though his wife is still reluctant to support his idea, he just make his first step. Subsequently, his wife began to support his move to go for candidacy.

Thus I would say that those who see Kin Lian's involvement in my campaign as "opportunistic" I feel that is doing injustice to his good will. He kept his promise which he made during the Minibond Saga as a return of my goodwill support of him. He didn't call me to ask to speak on my rally stage before or during the GE. Nope. He didn't take that initiative at all. I was the one who called him up to request his presence and support. That is why I think it is unfair for people, especially Scroobal, to insinuate that he was manipulative or opportunistic in speaking on NSP rally.

My apology to Kin Lian to cause such misunderstanding and aspersion due to my request of him helping me out during the campaign. He didn't utter a word of blame upon me for this matter but I feel that I will need to clarify here.

Goh Meng Seng
 
the more you stir, the murkier it gets
stop stirring and let it settles
 
the more you stir, the murkier it gets
stop stirring and let it settles

It will only be murkier for those who always like to see things in contempt. It is pretty straight forward to me, really. People will only believe in what they want to believe.

Goh Meng Seng
 
Should a consumer advocacy association be transparent. Why the secrecy. I did some checking and quite interesting. I went in to check as well to see for myself.

I said "Member Portal". It is a secure section strictly for FISCA member. I suggest that you signup as FISCA member.

You asked " Is there a committee in the first place and who are they ? ". I want to ask whether it is possible to establish an association without a committee ? Please ask Registry of Societies (ROS).
 
You are right, he was already blogging before the mini-bonds. I however found that there was nothing special or out of place but towards his private financial business and financial education. I found Larry Haverkemp from SMU who had a column in the papers that was not informative in terms of consumer protection. In fact he was revealing what the local insurance companies were getting away with.

With due respect, Tan Kin Lian didn't just "pop up" from nowhere prior to Minibond saga.

He started his blog talking about insurance and financial investment. He has his followings even before the Minibond saga exploded. I know because I was already noticing his writings on his blog before Minibond and that is first when I made my contact with him.

Goh Meng Seng
 
The theme is still the same. Even before I approach him, he has already started a blog writing about issues and answering questions about investment and insurance. You are saying you don't know him prior to now but the truth is, you don't know doesn't mean he is not doing anything publicly. That's the point. He is providing a public service on his blog.

He got involved in Minibond saga basically because a lot of those victims wrote to him via his blog. He then decided to act on it. There is really nothing "opportunistic" about it.

To tell you the truth, when I approached him prior to the Minibond saga to talk about the possibility of standing as an Elected President candidate, he wasn't that keen at all. But he shared his values with me and agreed with me that something has gone wrong with the PAP's approach in governance. He declined to contest the EP but we became friends.

When the Minibond broke out, he actually requested help from some of his PAP friends first but all of them declined to help out in the Minibond campaign. It is only thereafter, he approached me to help him out with the Mandarin speeches.

In return, Kin Lian put up his promise to support me in terms of standing on my rally stage to speak for me if I ever contest for elections again (yes, I haven't decide to stand for GE at that time). Now, at that moment, he still held the view that he will not stand for EP. Another key reason for his decline on standing for EP is that he knew his wife will object. There is absolutely NOTHING OPPORTUNISTIC about speaking on my rally stage.

The Minibond saga might have influenced his initial thought of not contesting the EP. When I talked to him again about this issue later, though he is still not convinced about the merits of contesting the EP, I suggested why not we try out the will of the people by starting the petition campaign? That's how it gets started. But apparently, the response wasn't exactly good apart from the support from some of the Minibond victims. On the other hand, his wife is still resistant to that idea. Thus, we just shelved the idea aside.

A lot of things happened since then, issues of competency of PAP governance and policy issues emerged. Kin Lian started to feel the need to come forward as a candidate for EP. Though his wife is still reluctant to support his idea, he just make his first step. Subsequently, his wife began to support his move to go for candidacy.

Thus I would say that those who see Kin Lian's involvement in my campaign as "opportunistic" I feel that is doing injustice to his good will. He kept his promise which he made during the Minibond Saga as a return of my goodwill support of him. He didn't call me to ask to speak on my rally stage before or during the GE. Nope. He didn't take that initiative at all. I was the one who called him up to request his presence and support. That is why I think it is unfair for people, especially Scroobal, to insinuate that he was manipulative or opportunistic in speaking on NSP rally.

My apology to Kin Lian to cause such misunderstanding and aspersion due to my request of him helping me out during the campaign. He didn't utter a word of blame upon me for this matter but I feel that I will need to clarify here.

Goh Meng Seng

If only the PAP had seen Goh Meng Seng worthy enough to be paid $15,000 a month as a scapegoat......sigh.....just too bad that the PAP has higher standard in taking in whores.........:*::*::*:
 
If only the PAP had seen Goh Meng Seng worthy enough to be paid $15,000 a month as a scapegoat......sigh.....just too bad that the PAP has higher standard in taking in whores.........:*::*::*:

I don't think you know what Honor is. :)

Goh Meng Seng
 
Yes. Transparent to the member exclusively. For public, the decision is with the association.

Should a consumer advocacy association be transparent. Why the secrecy. I did some checking and quite interesting. I went in to check as well to see for myself.
 
Yes. Transparent to the member exclusively. For public, the decision is with the association. The FISCA is under the supervision of Registry of Societies (ROS).

Should a consumer advocacy association be transparent. Why the secrecy. I did some checking and quite interesting. I went in to check as well to see for myself.
 
Scroobal. Thank you for confirming that Tan Kin Lian was indeed actively blogging before the mini-bonds troubles for the interest of consumers. The rest of your argument, like "nothing special" is irrelevant because it is subjective. You may not find it useful but others may.

You are right, he was already blogging before the mini-bonds. I however found that there was nothing special or out of place but towards his private financial business and financial education. I found Larry Haverkemp from SMU who had a column in the papers that was not informative in terms of consumer protection. In fact he was revealing what the local insurance companies were getting away with.
 
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