If TKL valued his friendship with Png, he would not even mentioned Png. You and I know full well the intent of using Png voluntarily or otherwise. The fact that WP did not ask TKL to their rallies unlike NSP and SDP speaks volumes. People can read the signal. I am sure the EP was not in the picture during the GE.
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Tan Kin Lian - An Opportunist? Let see the Facts
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GY is a nice guy and would make an excellent President. However he is not electable despite what he folllowers think. While in the Office, he did not object or even dissent publicly prefering to be a team player. OTC was the same and to his shock he got 59% against a total unknown who did not unfurl a flag.
GY also did not use the Png like character and then claim association with some other organisation. Dropping names is an age old practice but Tan Kin Lia made it look real cheap. Since you are closer why did he not ask you to pick up the forms. The reason is that you are in the bag. So is SDP. I am sure that he if asked SDP, they would organise a whole formation with flags and drums and make a real scene.
GY also did not use the Png like character and then claim association with some other organisation. Dropping names is an age old practice but Tan Kin Lia made it look real cheap. Since you are closer why did he not ask you to pick up the forms. The reason is that you are in the bag. So is SDP. I am sure that he if asked SDP, they would organise a whole formation with flags and drums and make a real scene.
Scroobal,
No offense, but why do people think GY is a nice guy? And why is the perception out there that he will make an excellent President? (a bit of background.. I think both Tharman and GY are pricks but obviously my view is the minority).
Let me explain why I think GY is an ass. In his tenure as a Cabinet minister, I see zero evidence that he has stood up to criticize the ruling party or at least question the direction which the government hence PAP is heading. Perhaps one can say he is by the nature mild and not used to direct confrontation. However, I am aware he did offer stern words to the public, warning them to observe the rules of engagement between those in power and those who are not. (what is up and what is down, then we can have a proper discussion). It does not speak of a mild person. Likewise, he came up to criticize a fellow PAP member, TCB, for questioning the FT policy. That of course is many years ago and people can change...
So I look at his recent conduct. In the recent elections, he conducted a rather lack lustre approach. Although people may feel that he was facing odds since WP fielded the A team, I personally felt this was an uphill task. When LTK said that he was going up the tiger mountain in spite of knowing there was a tiger there, I felt the description very apt and honestly, very touched. To have change, it requires sacrifice. It requires someone to be uncomfortable. But I digress... George Yeo said nothing about change until the very end of his campaign when it become clear through the massive turnouts at WP rallies, polling data and social media feedback that it was going to be a very close fight. Then and only then, he started crafting a political way out for himself, indicating he was hoping to change the PAP from within, but sadly he could no longer do so. When asked if he was going to run for the presidency, he said no, he was temperamentally unsuited to the task as he was a free spirit (unlike Nathan). I do not know if he was already planing for the presidency but he milked public sympathy to the very last drop. We saw glimpses of the intellect that brought him the president scholarship and his Harvard degree then.
Then of course, we saw the back flip that led to him "reluctantly" thinking about the presidency and his extreme post election Facebooking frequency. He became aware that he had significant support and no doubt, brokered(or is brokering a deal with the real PAP, ie LHL/LKY). $4m, unfortunately, is really peanuts in the scheme of things, i suspect something greater is being negotiated. Money at those levels, is no longer an issue, power is. Same with GCT. Now whether or not, he is right remains to be seen. I feel he is overestimating his facebook popularity but who knows until the results are shown?
So to tie up my post, I don't think he is a nice guy at all, and in fact very much like an Ah Neh snake. However, I am open to understanding more about this person as all good candidates that can bring about change would be appealing to me. Hope someone with geniune knowledge of GY can contribute (saving little rabbits and kissing babies do not count).
No offense, but why do people think GY is a nice guy? And why is the perception out there that he will make an excellent President? (a bit of background.. I think both Tharman and GY are pricks but obviously my view is the minority).
Let me explain why I think GY is an ass. In his tenure as a Cabinet minister, I see zero evidence that he has stood up to criticize the ruling party or at least question the direction which the government hence PAP is heading. Perhaps one can say he is by the nature mild and not used to direct confrontation. However, I am aware he did offer stern words to the public, warning them to observe the rules of engagement between those in power and those who are not. (what is up and what is down, then we can have a proper discussion). It does not speak of a mild person. Likewise, he came up to criticize a fellow PAP member, TCB, for questioning the FT policy. That of course is many years ago and people can change...
So I look at his recent conduct. In the recent elections, he conducted a rather lack lustre approach. Although people may feel that he was facing odds since WP fielded the A team, I personally felt this was an uphill task. When LTK said that he was going up the tiger mountain in spite of knowing there was a tiger there, I felt the description very apt and honestly, very touched. To have change, it requires sacrifice. It requires someone to be uncomfortable. But I digress... George Yeo said nothing about change until the very end of his campaign when it become clear through the massive turnouts at WP rallies, polling data and social media feedback that it was going to be a very close fight. Then and only then, he started crafting a political way out for himself, indicating he was hoping to change the PAP from within, but sadly he could no longer do so. When asked if he was going to run for the presidency, he said no, he was temperamentally unsuited to the task as he was a free spirit (unlike Nathan). I do not know if he was already planing for the presidency but he milked public sympathy to the very last drop. We saw glimpses of the intellect that brought him the president scholarship and his Harvard degree then.
Then of course, we saw the back flip that led to him "reluctantly" thinking about the presidency and his extreme post election Facebooking frequency. He became aware that he had significant support and no doubt, brokered(or is brokering a deal with the real PAP, ie LHL/LKY). $4m, unfortunately, is really peanuts in the scheme of things, i suspect something greater is being negotiated. Money at those levels, is no longer an issue, power is. Same with GCT. Now whether or not, he is right remains to be seen. I feel he is overestimating his facebook popularity but who knows until the results are shown?
So to tie up my post, I don't think he is a nice guy at all, and in fact very much like an Ah Neh snake. However, I am open to understanding more about this person as all good candidates that can bring about change would be appealing to me. Hope someone with geniune knowledge of GY can contribute (saving little rabbits and kissing babies do not count).
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Insurance companies originate many investment instruments. They are competitors with other investment providers. They are not going to sell investments for their direct competitors unless its joint venture. Lehman Brothers is not going to fly down to deal with NTUC Income. Note all the minibond were sold by banks and finance houses and not Insurance companies.
That is my pet peeve, people are not even aware difference between banks/finance entities and Insurance and they are deciding on financial reserves.
That is my pet peeve, people are not even aware difference between banks/finance entities and Insurance and they are deciding on financial reserves.
WP is very careful of these things and so should they be. I am pretty sure that WP would not allowed it and must have talked to Png quietly. As you yourself correctly pointed out LTK is shrewd. Tan Kin Lian is not a value add to WP and he would know his character better than anyone. The fact the he did not get an invite to speak at rallies is telling.
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No offence bro to use this as a quote. What's the difference between a : nice guy, good guy, charismatic guy and etc. etc?
Politics is how many people you can con, bluff, cajole and whatever to get the people's votes. That's the name of the game.
Unlike an MP, there is a rule and an understanding that once you are in the cabinet, you do not dissent in public and you take the candies as well as lumps that come with final decision of the cabinet.
Overtime, you hear what they see, you meet them over issues and eventually form an opinion. You share that opinion with others with similar exposure. You end up with a composite view. In all these years, his image has not changed. You can count on him and a few others to stand against old man and others who are deemed to be less people centred and more clinical. He fought vehemently on the casino issue and only relented if it was an integrated resort and the revenue stream in % has to meet caps. When the press mentioned GY and the casino, people assumed he was pushing for it. He also fought for the arts and softer side of things.
Over the last 15 years , he sort of got on the wrong side of old man and things got worse. GY was also conscious of using the colour of his wife to ingratiate his family. His wife law firm does not mention his link but people like Helen Yeo, Lim Suet Fern have no qualms. GY was also first to reach out to the masses within his blog.
The guy unfortunately is a too good a team player.
At the end of day, he has to live with his choices.
Overtime, you hear what they see, you meet them over issues and eventually form an opinion. You share that opinion with others with similar exposure. You end up with a composite view. In all these years, his image has not changed. You can count on him and a few others to stand against old man and others who are deemed to be less people centred and more clinical. He fought vehemently on the casino issue and only relented if it was an integrated resort and the revenue stream in % has to meet caps. When the press mentioned GY and the casino, people assumed he was pushing for it. He also fought for the arts and softer side of things.
Over the last 15 years , he sort of got on the wrong side of old man and things got worse. GY was also conscious of using the colour of his wife to ingratiate his family. His wife law firm does not mention his link but people like Helen Yeo, Lim Suet Fern have no qualms. GY was also first to reach out to the masses within his blog.
The guy unfortunately is a too good a team player.
At the end of day, he has to live with his choices.
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Dear Scroobal,
I was asked to pick up the forms but unfortunately, I booked my flight earlier on.
Getting support from a member of a political party is different from getting support from the whole political party.
Goh Meng Seng
For a layperson like me, I have no interactions with super higher mortals and can only make my assumptions based on what I see. It seems that you have a genuine insight on what goes on behind the scenes (not being sarcastic and observation is gleaned through your many posts). It would be useful if you can post a critique on the 3 different candidates and who you support. While I may not agree with your choices but at least, it offers a view from an angle that non-political people have no access to.
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me agree wif u ... me oso dun understand y many ppl say dese 2 fellas goot ...
dat dark-skin 1 can say 1 ting wen ze sun is up n another wen ze moon is up ...
me got hear dat ah georgie never even got attend any of ze local angmo orchestra setupz concert ... he support arts? ... even his predecessor, dat yawning fella, got attend ...
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was dat ze catalyst 4 his questioning of reserfs? ...
True, but if you never lift a finger to do anything to help, on what basis will people bother to thank you. Fawning with no basis and sincere thanking with reference to specific contribution made are different things. Thanks for letting me know how daft people can be.
Ok, that is quite a point. But have to disagree on the second point.
Dear Scroobal,
I was asked to pick up the forms but unfortunately, I booked my flight earlier on.
Getting support from a member of a political party is different from getting support from the whole political party.
Goh Meng Seng
My view is that there are more capable, more qualified with excellent attributes that will do a sterling job and bring credit to the Office but they will never stand for elections. Not the way the presidency is being set up.
You know my views about TKL as it all over this thread. GY nice guy, qualified but PAP cabinet member in the office makes a fool of the whole idea of having an independent President or at least close one. TCB has been like that even before he got into parliament. His principles are intact. Frankly they are all implying that they are going to change society but this is the wrong elections for it. If TCB and GY are keen to contribute after seeing the disquiet, they should take part in the next GE.
You know my views about TKL as it all over this thread. GY nice guy, qualified but PAP cabinet member in the office makes a fool of the whole idea of having an independent President or at least close one. TCB has been like that even before he got into parliament. His principles are intact. Frankly they are all implying that they are going to change society but this is the wrong elections for it. If TCB and GY are keen to contribute after seeing the disquiet, they should take part in the next GE.
GMS, I think politicians or people going for important govt appts should be more prudent in their actions, words and thoughts. Not to mention this is PE where media is keeping a close watch over anyone who collects the form. Getting a general public supporter to help with collection of forms is perfectly OK but to say that someone like TKL is not politically sensitive enough to send this WP guy there is hard to believe. In politics, public perception and speculation is just part of the game that can never be dismissed.
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Takes two hands to clap. IMHO, it looks bad for Png and TKL only. Nothing to do with WP as Png was acting in his personal capacity and he has that right.
True. Png has his personal right to help friends but if he is in politics, he has to be more political sensitive as people who seek his service might want him to be seen as an endorsement of support from the party he is with without him knowing. I am curious who was the initiator? Did Png volunteer or did TKL look him up.
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It's clear that Perspective is a WP member. It's also clear that Perspective the beef jerky seller has no beef with TKL. His beef is with Png or could be with anyone from WP helping TKL or any non-WP endorsed candidate in anyway.
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but Great Eastern sold similar GreatLink Choice CDO investment-linked insurance products to its customers. Likewise Prudential's Yield 15/20 products.
NTUC Income sold none of those.
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True. Png has his personal right to help friends but if he is in politics, he has to be more political sensitive as people who seek his service might want him to be seen as an endorsement of support from the party he is with without him knowing. I am curious who was the initiator? Did Png volunteer or did TKL look him up.
Won't surprise me if LTK and SL 'counselled' Png on this matter. Png may soon follow the foot-steps of brother GMS!
No idea who initiated it but being a betting man, I would bet on TKL. He is no angel.
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