Tan Kin Lian - An Opportunist? Let see the Facts

[GoldenDragon]

It's clear that Perspective is a WP member. It's also clear that Perspective the beef jerky seller has no beef with TKL. His beef is with Png or could be with anyone from WP helping TKL or any non-WP endorsed candidate in anyway.

Ah Forve, no time no see your contributions here. MIA?

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Great Eastern refunded all monies to the tune of hundreds of millions. Kudos to them.

 

[Forvendet]

Ah Forve, no time no see your contributions here. MIA?

School holidays, went on tour with my in-laws and their kids.

 

[po2wq]

School holidays, went on tour with my in-laws and their kids.

how cum u dun choose 2 go on tour wif ur wife's in laws n their kids? ...

 

[Forvendet]

how cum u dun choose 2 go on tour wif ur wife's in laws n their kids? ...

My parents had both passed away. I'm their only child. I have no children. So now my kins are my wife and in-laws.

 

[jw5]

Funny you mentioned Michelle. I can't explain it but I would vote her in a heartbeat. She also has to academic qualification and the work experience to do the job but she does not qualify. Can you imagine a young President of her demeanour with a young family in tow and how that appeals to the masses.

Please don't get any ideas in trying to encourage Michelle to stand for president.
She will be much more useful as an opposition politician who stands up to some of the draconion policies that we have to deal with from the government. Firm yet calm and reassuring, the pap would "love" that.

She should be encouraged to continue in opposition politics, SDP or not it's ok.
It was great the way she told SDP management that she would not accept further street protests. Look where these took them, to the gates of parliament house and no further.

In my view, she's the find of this GE, more so than Nicole even.

 

[scroobal]

Note my comments in my post - "Unless its a joint venture". NTUC is too small to engage in joint venture and therefore could not sell their investment products in competition. GE is owned by OCBC and Prudential can orginate these products.

NTUC does not have clout or the size to orginate or do a joint venture for these product. They cannot do retail as it will eat into their stable of investment products.

It like the Commissioner of Police saying that he decided against having an airwing like the Malaysian Police who have a wide country plus East Malaysia to contend with . If he makes such a comment people will laugh.

but Great Eastern sold similar GreatLink Choice CDO investment-linked insurance products to its customers. Likewise Prudential's Yield 15/20 products.

NTUC Income sold none of those.

 

[scroobal]

Good point and fully agree. What she needs is a dedicated campaign team to push her message and promote her on the internet.

Please don't get any ideas in trying to encourage Michelle to stand for president.
She will be much more useful as an opposition politician who stands up to some of the draconion policies that we have to deal with from the government. Firm yet calm and reassuring, the pap would "love" that.

She should be encouraged to continue in opposition politics, SDP or not it's ok.
It was great the way she told SDP management that she would accept further street protests. Look where these took them, to the gates of parliament house and no further.

In my view, she's the find of this GE, more so than Nicole even.

 

[jw5]

Takes two hands to clap. IMHO, it looks bad for Png and TKL only. Nothing to do with WP as Png was acting in his personal capacity and he has that right.

GD, Png is not standing for presidential elections. The 2011 GE is over.
The microscope and magnifying glass are on presidential candidates now, and that includes TKL.

When TCB went to collect his forms personally, he said straight out "The candidate should come and collect his own forms". Don't forget he was the first one to collect, it's almost as if he could predict some people would ask others to collect.
The ST had a picture of him peering at his forms at the collection centre.
Some people may not like him because he was a pappy mp, but he's straight as an arrow. Does what he says, says what he does.

 

[jw5]

It's clear that Perspective is a WP member. It's also clear that Perspective the beef jerky seller has no beef with TKL. His beef is with Png or could be with anyone from WP helping TKL or any non-WP endorsed candidate in anyway.

Perspective has no beef with Png or WP lah! :o
If you are Ramseth rejuvenated as Equalisation claims, then you must be either Ramseth with amnesia or a very clever and devious Ramseth.

 

[Forvendet]

Perspective has no beef with Png or WP lah! :o
If you are Ramseth rejuvenated as Equalisation claims, then you must be either Ramseth with amnesia or a very clever and devious Ramseth.

Ramseth is also a known WP member and has disappeared from forumming since Parliament was dissolved. He's also clearly another Png, longtime friend of TKL since NTUC days but became WP member later. I'd think that he's helping TKL behind the scenes instead of being so open like Png. Anyway, he hasn't got the publicity value like Png has since he didn't stand for election. It's alright for a candidate to optimize his available manpower. I see nothing wrong with that.

As for the Equalisation claim that I'm Ramseth, he usually claims that when he's drunk. He has claimed wilder stuff when he's more drunk.

 

[jw5]

It's alright for a candidate to optimize his available manpower. I see nothing wrong with that.

Bro, you should go and read post #68 by forummer Unrepented, whereby he asked 3 simple questions.
Just 3 simple questions from a Singaporean voter to a candidate who wants to be president of our country.

It's not simply about a candidate optimizing his available manpower.
Just be straight lah, that's all I ask as an ordinary voter, be straight. And no, the word used here is not the opposite of gay. And no petitions please ok?

 

[Unrepented]

You have just helped reinforce the point. And btw, its not just about WP.

IMO, actions and words should not contradict the objective of the presidential office which is to unite singapore citizens and not polarize it further after the GE. Presidential office is the last bastion of unity if all else fail.

When we say 40% of singaporeans are not daft, hope you guys really believe it.

Dear Scroobal,

I was asked to pick up the forms but unfortunately, I booked my flight earlier on.

Getting support from a member of a political party is different from getting support from the whole political party.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Forvendet]

Bro, you should go and read post #68 by forummer Unrepented, whereby he asked 3 simple questions.
Just 3 simple questions from a Singaporean voter to a candidate who wants to be president of our country.

It's not simply about a candidate optimizing his available manpower.
Just be straight lah, that's all I ask as an ordinary voter, be straight. And no, the word used here is not the opposite of gay. And no petitions please ok?

I pass no prejudgment until nominations are accepted and campaigning starts. Of course, before that we all start to form and shape opinions in our own minds. What I won't do is discourage or discredit anyone from getting nominated, even a bicycle thief as Scroobal likes to say, but always end up contradicting himself with his attacks on the likes of Chen Show Mao and Tan Kin Lian. I wonder what he wants? Really bicycle thief who'd get disqualified at nomination?

 

[jw5]

I pass no prejudgment until nominations are accepted and campaigning starts. Of course, before that we all start to form and shape opinions in our own minds. What I won't do is discourage or discredit anyone from getting nominated, even a bicycle thief as Scroobal likes to say, but always end up contradicting himself with his attacks on the likes of Chen Show Mao and Tan Kin Lian. I wonder what he wants? Really bicycle thief who'd get disqualified at nomination?

For me personally, I would like to see both TKL and TCB pass the nomination and stand for election.
Then let the voters decide and live with their decision, whatever it may be.

 

[elephanto]

i didn't know i would miss this forum so much.

Avidly following thru 7 pages of views,
I am struck by the following:-

(1) The usual characters have stuck true to character ....
sometimes it is less the position they arrive at but more the process in which they form their conclusions.

Others have once suggested I am a sychophantic fan of Scroo.
I am unashamedly a fan - in the sense of I like to read intelligent posts.
But I am my own elephant, while I agree ST is ST warts & all, I do not generally share the vehemance in which Scroo always portrayed them as the Toa Payoh Brothel keepers.... after all, one can always discern & read between the lines even from the official national newspaper.

I see karmabear simply hates Scroo's cocksure attitude. By all means, entitled to your feelings.

Many other intelligent forummers from jw5 to unrepentent, perspective, ir123....
some are gems in their own right with their wit & laconic humor...

At the end of the day, my take is:
It is all in the way one understands & develop a feel for the nuances of human nature - posturing, serving, masquerading, exploiting, compromising while essentially still being untainted at the core etc....

George Yeo is essentially a decent intellectual once Old Man's blue-eye boy & another PM-to-be in his eyes as in the likes of Tony Tan. Unfortunately, age-wise. he is in the same bracket as our respectable LHL.

I am partial towards GY & Teo Chee Hian and amongst the more cogent reasons, is the simple brainless fact that like Tony Tan, GY and TCH, I am also a Josephian.... proud to be one all my life.

Scroo offers not just tantalising tidbits not commonly known, but
you don't have to believe his crap if that's how you see it.

I am always giving Scroo the benefit of the doubt because when he weaves in the context that displays his shrewd understanding & intepretation of human behaviour & motivation, it all largely makes sense.

I patiently read the exchange between GMS & Scroo & GMS & Perspective & the other two who feels this thread is smearing TKL ..... sigh, no wonder GMS however nice guy do not have the cut & may never have the gift of poitical acumen as a Low Thia Khiang.

But madcow, I still salute your idealism & public spiritedness.

To end, some cynic mentioned the futility of it all - the EP is a Frankeinstein creation of a mechanistic-messiahnic PAP belief that logic & reason is all & therefore, based on this deep psychological hangup, is born all the schemes from 'the sophisticated electorate is trying a pressure the govt... therefore maybe some voters should have 2 votes etc etc' (1984) to the implementation of GLC because forget the 'aspirational national pledge', we are all racist at the core & minority's have no chance to tghe economic sphere like GLCs is the way because SMEs are at most PLEs but no way a world class corporation can originate in Spore ... because it doesn't stand to reason blah blah....

This blind righteousness rooted in logic & reason is what led PAP & the electorate to the current disenchantment ....

So in summary guys, be yourselves, believe what you believe & back our beliefs with action or non-action or small actions for a start depending on your conviction, your passion & your resources & circumstances.....

Just be authentic.

Not be like the hypocritical Tan Kin Lian who long ago announce he would only consider running for EP if there is a petition numbering 6 figures.
I promptly lost all respect for him since.

TCB & GY are PAP men once but not sycophants or lose their principled selves. That I can accept. I agree that some are entitled to believe it is better to work from within then tear down & rebuild.

EP .... fucking forget about losing face PAP & hear me, WP MPs, move a motion to strike away the E from EP & revert to the days of a regal Presidency as personified by the likes of Sheares & Wee Kim Wee.

For that to happen if i recall correctly, this constitutional change would require a referendum & hey man, let our respectable leaders learn from the new Singaporean electorate who don't give a shit about serial numbers behind ballots & dare to live up to the PAP-crafted ideal of 'active citizenry' !

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I patiently read the exchange between GMS & Scroo & GMS & Perspective & the other two who feels this thread is smearing TKL ..... sigh, no wonder GMS however nice guy do not have the cut & may never have the gift of poitical acumen as a Low Thia Khiang.

But madcow, I still salute your idealism & public spiritedness.

Hi Elephanto,

Although I always regard LTK as my political mentor in every sense but I am not him and definitely quite different from him in many aspects. Though I am generally a very nice guy but I can be a real Arsehole if I want to. Well, normally I reserve that to those who really deserve such treatment.

There is a story about Dr. Sun's revolution history where he reasoned that in order to win Democracy and Freedom for Greater China, his party members should sacrifice their own Democratic rights and Freedom for the bigger cause.

I didn't really buy that idea and it is precisely along these lines, KMT was ruled under dictatorship for almost 70 to 80 years (in both China and Taiwan) before it liberalized itself after finding that route is really dead end. I believe in running a party with democratic principles right from the start even though we may face a lot more problems initially but in the long run, we may be better off. That is how America evolves. In terms of management of political parties, I have very different views.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

Bro, looks like you flung open the saloon swinging doors and unloaded both barrels. Good to have you back or else I will pushing my own agendas with little else.

Ok, will cool down on the press folks but Balji's recent action must have indicated that paying good money does help in getting your point of view and no different to the streetwalkers of old.

i didn't know i would miss this forum so much.

Avidly following thru 7 pages of views,
I am struck by the following:-

(1) The usual characters have stuck true to character ....
sometimes it is less the position they arrive at but more the process in which they form their conclusions.

Others have once suggested I am a sychophantic fan of Scroo.
I am unashamedly a fan - in the sense of I like to read intelligent posts.
But I am my own elephant, while I agree ST is ST warts & all, I do not generally share the vehemance in which Scroo always portrayed them as the Toa Payoh Brothel keepers.... after all, one can always discern & read between the lines even from the official national newspaper.

 

[Perspective]

Everyone is saying the same thing though people assert my words and distort perception that mine be different from others. People should come clean what the real reason is since they are politician wannabes.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Everyone is saying the same thing though people assert my words and distort perception that mine be different from others. People should come clean what the real reason is since they are politician wannabes.

Yup, everyone agrees with you that your Huat ah is so naive to be manipulated and made used of by TKL. That goes the politician wannabe. Sad.

Goh Meng Seng