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Stop saying 66% voted for PAP when the actually figure is 33%.
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"I'm not going to vacant this place of power so easily, I'll use all means to make sure, that me and my Familee stays in power!"
It truly shows how stupid and naive PAP ballslickers like u are. U say the issue is that not enough citizens join oppo parties. The question u have to ask is why is this? Who wants to join and be active in an oppo party when they know they and their family will be subject to ISD and police harassment, their jobs (if they are in govt. service sector) will be in jeopardy, and they can be bankrupt by kangaroo courts on trumped up charges.
There are many talented, well educated, successful people who are no fans of the PAP. In a truly free country, they would be more than happy to be oppo candidates, and they would be good at it. But they don't do it because the very govt. supposed to protect their civil rights is the same govt. that will terrorize them for doing so. PAP apologists like u conveniently forget this. Go back to sucking your local PAP MP's cock, u faggot piece of shit.
Only way is to go back to single wards..1 MP seat 1 ward. Maybe bigger wards but still single MP wards. But I know the cowardly kiasu PAP will not abandon the monster GRCs.
actually the correct number shd be only 5-10% voted for PAP
cos >50% GRCs is walkover.
FUCK PAP
You're rite.. I take a double take.. triple take when such "noble notions" of serving my country in the opposite camp cross my mind occasionally. What I then proceed to contemplate is the blacksmearing (I am human afterall and have my dirty linen) and repercussions on my career, my family members' careers.. then, I sweep that notion aside.. and life goes on as normal :o
On the contrary, it's people like you who discourage others from joining oppposition with scare stories of charges and bankruptcies. There're hundreds if not thousands of opposition members. All have their own businesses to mind, careers to pursue and jobs to work on. Some are even very successful in their fields. Of course, some got into trouble, but that's because they broke the law, not because they join opposition. I'm not apologising for PAP. I'm just trying to say, don't need to be scared of PAP. If you're scared that you equate joining opposition as getting harassed or arrested, then that's your own fear for yourself to overcome. Sitting before a monitor screen and scolding PAP through the keyboard doesn't help much.
I'm critical of the general state of unity and mentality of the opposition looking at it from the inside. There're many very capable and reputable candidate-calibre people considering to join, but couldn't fit in with too many personal agenda, ambitions and factions shuffling around.
Same question, same problem, same issue.
So who is to be blamed for all the walkovers? PAP, opposition or the general Singapore Public?
instead of constantly focusing and debating and arguing about this, we should be talking about how to beat the game and put more opposition candidates for public seledtion and voting.
Are there any willing takers? are there anyone else apart from those who are already in the political fold willing to walk and talk?
more opposition candidates will mean less walkover and more cutting down PAP support both on the ground and in the percentage of votes. I believe we all know that. Constant comparing awith other countries do to help, more like finding an excues for not making it when actually the only reason for failure is your own lack.
This unfortunatly is the real situation we face.
Too much ego, too much want face ad too much unwilling to play their part.
Too many Indian cheif and we would be fighting among ourselves more.
Confrontation is not the key, but it seem confrontation is the only thing that seem to be going on.
Would you want your employees to question your management and constantly disrupt your operations and productions?
actually the correct number shd be only 5-10% voted for PAP
cos >50% GRCs is walkover.
FUCK PAP
I dont know where do you get your fuckup logic.
Votes and support are based on qualified populations and not on sheer guesswork.
if based on your landmasss logic, then most elected goverment around the world now should be losers because the majority of the landmass didndt vote for them.
How the United States was built into one single huge white majority nation. That's because of the now legendary 500 red Indian nations and their Indian chiefs. That's how the term Indian chief came about, to describe petty leaders of petty factions that will amount to nothing and lose everything.
hey u did u fuck ur mother?
how is ur father's lanjiao? Did u swallow his semen whole?
do yourself a favor go sux and fuck yourself...mother fucker bastard son of Satan
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hey PAP dog go eat shit!!
Leemember to fuck ur mother and grandfather ok
and mother fucker dont bother to reply cos u r in my ignore list. i left u a message for your famiLEE also
chao cheebye hor chialong tom....
Please, your PAP grovelling is at a new low. U say oppo members got into trouble because they broke the law? Well, who passed the law in the first place? If u look at the recent case of the 5 SDP members charged with illegal assembly, because they broke a law requiring permits. What kind of law is this? Got drag to court and luckily got acquitted. Others not so lucky. I suggest u read the book called To Catch a tartar by Francis Seow. In it, he details many forms of PAP intimidation on oppo members WHO have not broken the law, including bugging and wiretapping their residences. Since he has not be sued for libel, I can only assume he is right. By the way, i do know rank and file members of oppo parties who were intimidated and threatened by the PAP for no reason. I will not divulge details, but I can tell u, u are 100% ignorant, and a PAP arse kisser.
Please, your PAP grovelling is at a new low. U say oppo members got into trouble because they broke the law? Well, who passed the law in the first place? If u look at the recent case of the 5 SDP members charged with illegal assembly, because they broke a law requiring permits. What kind of law is this? Got drag to court and luckily got acquitted. Others not so lucky. I suggest u read the book called To Catch a tartar by Francis Seow. In it, he details many forms of PAP intimidation on oppo members WHO have not broken the law, including bugging and wiretapping their residences. Since he has not be sued for libel, I can only assume he is right. By the way, i do know rank and file members of oppo parties who were intimidated and threatened by the PAP for no reason. I will not divulge details, but I can tell u, u are 100% ignorant, and a PAP arse kisser.
There are days I wonder if you do these deliberately or there is more to this than meets the eye.
Let me take an example from the "white trash of asia" - Australia which held its last Federal Elections in 2007. I will highlight couple of things on the House of Rep elections and I am not including the Senate or the State Elections.
1) The nomination fee is which they call the desposit is $500 which is SGP 633which is 4% of Singapore nomination deposit fee.
2) Elections are held every 3 years
3) 1055 candidates from 22 parties contested 150 seats. No walkover.
Everyone one is a single seats with no such things as a GRC.
To ensure that everyone understood how important elections are and in view of its migrant feature, elections guides were printed in 21 languages.
Let me take an example from the "white trash of asia" - Australia which held its last Federal Elections in 2007. I will highlight couple of things on the House of Rep elections and I am not including the Senate or the State Elections.
1) The nomination fee is which they call the desposit is $500 which is SGP 633which is 4% of Singapore nomination deposit fee.
2) Elections are held every 3 years
3) 1055 candidates from 22 parties contested 150 seats. No walkover.
Everyone one is a single seats with no such things as a GRC.
To ensure that everyone understood how important elections are and in view of its migrant feature, elections guides were printed in 21 languages.
We have to be careful what the actual issue is. Don't make the mistake of pointing fingers and laying the blame on the quality of opposition as Ramseth. This is exactly what the PAP has been harping from day 1 and we fall into their trap.
The issue is that the elections by the introduction of a number of barriers and high hurdles is pushing away genuine and sincere candidates.
We should not accept;
1) High nomination fees - OZ only charges 500AUD ($633) while we charge over $13K.
2) GRC must not be recognised and therefore abolished
3) Rally sites a and its use must be reasonable and not a last minute release.
4) All elections data including precint demographics must be publicly available.
The PAP has only allowed one umbrella so the number of people that can stand underneath is limited. Lets not waste out time asking people why they are not standing under one umbrella but ask why there are not many umbrellas available.
The issue is that the elections by the introduction of a number of barriers and high hurdles is pushing away genuine and sincere candidates.
We should not accept;
1) High nomination fees - OZ only charges 500AUD ($633) while we charge over $13K.
2) GRC must not be recognised and therefore abolished
3) Rally sites a and its use must be reasonable and not a last minute release.
4) All elections data including precint demographics must be publicly available.
The PAP has only allowed one umbrella so the number of people that can stand underneath is limited. Lets not waste out time asking people why they are not standing under one umbrella but ask why there are not many umbrellas available.
This logic is truly befitting the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.
The PAP put up candidates in those constituencies. The oppos didn't. Whose fault is it that the people cannot vote?
If we make the assumption that the oppos are intelligent people, it means that they have contested in the constituencies where they are stronger. In other words, if all constituencies had been contested, the PAP percentage would have been higher.
Since oppos did not contest the other constituencies, the PAP can be assumed to have received 100% of the votes in those constituencies.
But all this is speculation. Among the voters who did vote because the oppos FAILED to contest all constituencies, the PAP got 66%. That is the only number which counts.
You are usually more logical and analytical. Don't end up behaving like the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan
The PAP put up candidates in those constituencies. The oppos didn't. Whose fault is it that the people cannot vote?
If we make the assumption that the oppos are intelligent people, it means that they have contested in the constituencies where they are stronger. In other words, if all constituencies had been contested, the PAP percentage would have been higher.
Since oppos did not contest the other constituencies, the PAP can be assumed to have received 100% of the votes in those constituencies.
But all this is speculation. Among the voters who did vote because the oppos FAILED to contest all constituencies, the PAP got 66%. That is the only number which counts.
You are usually more logical and analytical. Don't end up behaving like the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan
You have not answered the question. I am having serious doubts about you. I can't help but a consistent pattern is forming. As I stated before, its obvious that you have high political acumen.
You seem to criticise PAP policies which even PAP MPs do and some more robustly like Tan Soo Khoon, Tan Cheng Bock etc. You however never over all these years have ever critcised the PAP, its MPs, the way the PAP operates and the elections mechanism itself. You tend to blame the quality of opposition with no cognizance of the fact that PAP has created the environment in the first place. You however seem quite happy to put down opposition champions.
You move easily within the opposition camp, you are well regarded as a nice guy but your clear commitments on the nature of politics are hazy at best. There are many people in this forum and you more or less can tell those that lean in a particular way over time. Not in your case.
You fit a profile that unfortunately I am familiar with. I had similar concerns with Uncle Yap also a nice guy. To make matters worse, you are a linguist which reinforces the profile associated with the trade and your transient nature of vocation and its mobility further gives me food for thought.
Its very unlikely probability wise that ducks line up in that manner but I would suggest that you best keep to one party and make known your colours clearly and without hesitation.
You seem to criticise PAP policies which even PAP MPs do and some more robustly like Tan Soo Khoon, Tan Cheng Bock etc. You however never over all these years have ever critcised the PAP, its MPs, the way the PAP operates and the elections mechanism itself. You tend to blame the quality of opposition with no cognizance of the fact that PAP has created the environment in the first place. You however seem quite happy to put down opposition champions.
You move easily within the opposition camp, you are well regarded as a nice guy but your clear commitments on the nature of politics are hazy at best. There are many people in this forum and you more or less can tell those that lean in a particular way over time. Not in your case.
You fit a profile that unfortunately I am familiar with. I had similar concerns with Uncle Yap also a nice guy. To make matters worse, you are a linguist which reinforces the profile associated with the trade and your transient nature of vocation and its mobility further gives me food for thought.
Its very unlikely probability wise that ducks line up in that manner but I would suggest that you best keep to one party and make known your colours clearly and without hesitation.
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