Stop saying 66% voted for PAP when the actually figure is 33%.

[Equalisation]

Flaws exactly! The single ward system is a double edged sword. Of course, the people can still vote PAP in those wards but at least the system has flaws which the Opposition parties can exploit!

.... errr ... by any chance, do you have an IQ of less than 50 ?? .... just curious:o

 

[Robert Half]

Remember the Opp election strategy they came up with last time of conceding a narrow majority and agreeing to contesting only the rest, to allay fears from the rest of Singapore of a freak election? That strategy was not to form the govt but to pile the seats on in Parliament. Only in the single ward system can the strategy be effective.

In last GE 2006, 9 single wards contested only 2 won by Opp :(

For example, single wards like Yio Chu Kang & Macpherson PAP won 68% each and Joo Chiat PAP won 65%.
High margin victories for PAP

Not easy Opp to win in single wards :p

 

[scroobal]

Bro, you reading the political picture very well. Significant observation.

Only in the single ward system can the strategy be effective.

 

[kingrant]

.... errr ... by any chance, do you have an IQ of less than 50 ?? .... just curious:o

Bro, my point too chim for you is it?

 

[kingrant]

In last GE 2006, 9 single wards contested only 2 won by Opp :(

For example, single wards like Yio Chu Kang & Macpherson PAP won 68% each and Joo Chiat PAP won 65%.
High margin victories for PAP

Not easy Opp to win in single wards :p

That was then. Now is 2009. Tks to the PAP's own unpopular policies and arrogance and silly Ministerial remarks , they have themselves raised such a stink after Temasek fiasco, GIC losses, MSK, CPF Life, etc. by now that there could well be a ground swell against them. I thought I read this negative anti-PAP undercurrent here and elsewhere, and voters are all waiting and screaming to throw them out at the earliest opportunity? Or am I wrong?

Of course, even in single wards, you still have to organise for a fight with PAP. I never suggested that single wards automatically guarantee Opp wins -whoever thinks that is puerile and whoever thinks that I think so is also infantile and quick to jump to conclusions - but all things remaining constant, the Opp have a huge disadvantage and handicap in the currrent electoral system. The PAP grandmaster has erected a monstrous barrier to entry that unless we challenge its legitimacy, we might as well sit back and let them rule for perpetuity.

 

[kingrant]

In last GE 2006, 9 single wards contested only 2 won by Opp :(


Not easy Opp to win in single wards :p

It would be even harder, if not impossible, for the Opp to win under the present setup.

Why is the PAP so reluctant to change back? Because they probably know they have the anecdote to losing in a freak election! So any loophole where the Opp can gain even a toehold shld be ruthlessly exploited. Take no prisoners!

 

[kingrant]

Why is the PAP so reluctant to change back? Because they probably know they have the anecdote to losing in a freak election!

Typo..anecdote shld read as antidote...sorry.

 

[Robert Half]

That was then. Now is 2009. Tks to the PAP's own unpopular policies and arrogance and silly Ministerial remarks , they have themselves raised such a stink after Temasek fiasco, GIC losses, MSK, CPF Life, etc. by now that there could well be a ground swell against them. I thought I read this negative anti-PAP undercurrent here and elsewhere, and voters are all waiting and screaming to throw them out at the earliest opportunity? Or am I wrong?

Of course, even in single wards, you still have to organise for a fight with PAP. I never suggested that single wards automatically guarantee Opp wins -whoever thinks that is puerile and whoever thinks that I think so is also infantile and quick to jump to conclusions - but all things remaining constant, the Opp have a huge disadvantage and handicap in the currrent electoral system. The PAP grandmaster has erected a monstrous barrier to entry that unless we challenge its legitimacy, we might as well sit back and let them rule for perpetuity.

I know .. (1) but Singaporeans normally want a PAP MP for their ward.
In need of a speedy main upgrading project (MUP) coming to their old HDB flats or LUP
If opp MP is elected, it will be very difficult for people to get their HDB flats upgraded fast.

(2) Civil servants & high-paid executives in senior management level (MNC) also very Pro-PAP & support govt policies even the policies is not so good for the people.

(3) SME bosses also Pro-PAP because they need to apply govt grant for new product.
Govt normally approved their grant application

Yes .. I do hear a lot of Anti-PAP voices but when its come to GE & voting is another thing.
Singaporeans will still vote for PAP except PP & HG.

I do agree that single wards give Opp a better chance of winning seats than GRC.

What I am trying to say is PAP had strong support from Singapore voters
regardless whether their new policies is good for the people or not.

 

[scroobal]

Singaporeans voting for PAP because they prefer them is rather simplistic. Why then the following

1) Heavy levels of gerrymandering -
2) GRCs and progressive increases in GRC sizes
3) High Deposit for standing as candidates
4) Housing racial quotas
5) Non elected and failed PAP candidates appointed as advisors in opposition wards

If PAP felt that the majority of singaporeans would vote for them, why bvother implementing such pratices that do not even exist in both the Westminister and Presidential models of democracy or even its variants.

Why are grassroots organisations at all level are driven by the Govt with PAP party members in it.

I know .. (1) but Singaporeans normally want a PAP MP for their ward.
In need of a speedy main upgrading project (MUP) coming to their old HDB flats or LUP
If opp MP is elected, it will be very difficult for people to get their HDB flats upgraded fast.

(2) Civil servants & high-paid executives in senior management level (MNC) also very Pro-PAP & support govt policies even the policies is not so good for the people.

(3) SME bosses also Pro-PAP because they need to apply govt grant for new product.
Govt normally approved their grant application

Yes .. I do hear a lot of Anti-PAP voices but when its come to GE & voting is another thing.
Singaporeans will still vote for PAP except PP & HG.

I do agree that single wards give Opp a better chance of winning seats than GRC.

What I am trying to say is PAP had strong support from Singapore voters
regardless whether their new policies is good for the people or not.

 

[Equalisation]

Bro, my point too chim for you is it?

bro, you are a very brilliant man. So brilliant until you confuse yourself ...

 

[kingrant]

bro, you are a very brilliant man. So brilliant until you confuse yourself ...

Tell me where am I confused? Explain yr disagreements. Don't just apply labels like LKY. You are no LKY or even a very pale shade.

 

[kingrant]

I know .. (1) but Singaporeans normally want a PAP MP for their ward.
In need of a speedy main upgrading project (MUP) coming to their old HDB flats or LUP
If opp MP is elected, it will be very difficult for people to get their HDB flats upgraded fast.

(2) Civil servants & high-paid executives in senior management level (MNC) also very Pro-PAP & support govt policies even the policies is not so good for the people.

(3) SME bosses also Pro-PAP because they need to apply govt grant for new product.
Govt normally approved their grant application

Yes .. I do hear a lot of Anti-PAP voices but when its come to GE & voting is another thing.
Singaporeans will still vote for PAP except PP & HG.

I do agree that single wards give Opp a better chance of winning seats than GRC.

What I am trying to say is PAP had strong support from Singapore voters
regardless whether their new policies is good for the people or not.

This is a fallacy and a misconception that only the PAP can hand down these goodies. That is the trouble when the PAP has the stage all to themselves all these years to spread these propaganda and get nobody to challenge them. You are helping PAP to turn falsehoods into accepted facts (not truths) by repeating them. PP and HG voters also paid taxes and all kinds of conservancy charges and sinking fund levies etc. PAP has done a great injustice to deny these wards of any public funds accruing to them.

An Opp govt can also offer or keep these goodies, esp when it is popular to do. Which Opp party will want to earn disfavour? So dont play into the PAP's hands by believing they are the only givers.

In fact, the people of Singapore shld demand that PAP stop using public funds as political chips in their ploy to hold on to power in their games.

 

[Robert Half]

This is a fallacy and a misconception that only the PAP can hand down these goodies. That is the trouble when the PAP has the stage all to themselves all these years to spread these propaganda and get nobody to challenge them. You are helping PAP to turn falsehoods into accepted facts (not truths) by repeating them. PP and HG voters also paid taxes and all kinds of conservancy charges and sinking fund levies etc. PAP has done a great injustice to deny these wards of any public funds accruing to them.

An Opp govt can also offer or keep these goodies, esp when it is popular to do. Which Opp party will want to earn disfavour? So dont play into the PAP's hands by believing they are the only givers.

In fact, the people of Singapore shld demand that PAP stop using public funds as political chips in their ploy to hold on to power in their games.

Just to share something more:

The high-income earners like senior managers in MNC & rich bosses owning SMC mostly are traditionally chinese thinking. They prefer an one party ruler & dislike smaller Opp parties & they tend to influence their employees or workers to follow their direction in voting for the ruling party.

I am not trying to win an argument but just to share how some upper class Singaporeans think.

 

[scroobal]

This situation is not confined to the chinese. All business owners around the world prefer a compliant workforce and that can only be achieved by an authoritarian govt.

The high-income earners like senior managers in MNC & rich bosses owning SMC mostly are traditionally chinese thinking. They prefer an one party ruler & dislike smaller Opp parties & they tend to influence their employees or workers to follow their direction in voting for the ruling party.

I am not trying to win an argument but just to share how some upper class Singaporeans think.

 

[methink]

I can't help but notice that people like to harp that 66% of singaporeans voted for PAP when it is not true.

There were 2,159,721 eligible voters during the 2006 GE. Only 713,025 actually voted for the PAP. Thats 33% of eligible voters in the whole country that voted for the PAP.

936,270 or 43.3% did not have the opportunity to vote primarily because GRC is known barrier for a fair GE as these seats were not contested. No walk-overs occurred in Single wards.

The PAP has the temerity to govern this country with only 33% of votes cast in its favour. Not a mandate and the PAP MP should be ashamed of it.

The citizens must demand that at least 80% of the eligible voters must be able to take part in the General Elections before the results are deemed valid.

To the idiots that keep harping on 66%, do understand the significance of the value that SPH and the elections like to put across.

It's true... only 33% of the people voted for the pappies. From now on, we should only mention this 33% figure.

Let the PAP be embarrassed by this damn lowly figure!

 

[leetahbar]

even 49 vs 51; opp vs paps - the paps still won the majority.

 

[methink]

even 49 vs 51; opp vs paps - the paps still won the majority.

No you are damn wrong. The PAP stole the elections by underhand methods!

They only managed to win bcos of a skewed press and pork-barrelings. Morally they are bankrupt. Shameless and bullying pappies!