Stallholders in row with Workers Party town council

[Debonerman]

Making mistakes aren't end of the world but trying to be smart alec and argue with obvious holes in all argument, will make you look very silly and a big fool in the end.

Goh Meng Seng

PAP running dog Goh Meng Seng. Fuck your mother cheebye! The above quote coming from your bastard mouth encapsulates our perception of your character to a T!

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Not quite sure why there is still so much confusion. It all seems rather clear. To recap

1) For the annual cleaning covered under the S&C, AHPE pays for everything, scafolding included.

2) For additionall cleaning outside of the spring cleaning, the hawkers cover the scafolding while the TC gets the cleaners to clean at no extra charge.

For those who live in wards run by PAP TCs, it is clear that scafolding is not put up every quarter to do cleaning of high places. Why should these hawker centres be special and require cleaning so often? As mentioned previously, the cleaning is heavily subsidised by the S&C of HDB residents. The S&C of HDB residents will have to go up if the hawkers have their way. WP is therefore coreect to stand their ground.

Somewhat coincidentally, the CEO of NEA is leaving. It will be interesting to see where he turns up next and ask why he got such a nice plum position.

Spot on. WP has not asked anything unreasonable from the hawkers.

The hawkers can want cleaning of high places as often as they choose. But if exceeds once per year, WP is reasonable to ask for compensation for added scaffolding resources because NEA only demands that you clean high places annually.

Note that WP has never asked additional payment for routine cleaning - something which detractors should take note of.

Very small storm in very large teacup. It will be NEA coming away from this looking very bad, not WP.

 

[kukubird58]

Spot on. WP has not asked anything unreasonable from the hawkers.

The hawkers can want cleaning of high places as often as they choose. But if exceeds once per year, WP is reasonable to ask for compensation for added scaffolding resources because NEA only demands that you clean high places annually.

Note that WP has never asked additional payment for routine cleaning - something which detractors should take note of.

Very small storm in very large teacup. It will be NEA coming away from this looking very bad, not WP.

hahaha.....obviously talking through your arse again.... as if the hawkers are all interested in shutting down to do such cleaning....
they are losing a lot of money for each day of closure and only idiots like u will think they demand additional cleaning beyond the bare minimum dictated by NEA.....
truely retarded....

 

[winnipegjets]

Pritam has avoided to answer straight to the question on who pay for the scaffolding last year. If AHTC really knows its obligations and work according to its claim that it has never asked hawkers to pay extra and it will bear full cost of cleaning, it should not have even allowed hawkers to pay for the scaffolding.

Goh Meng Seng

Do you know how stupid you sound? WP has stated that hawkers were not asked to pay extra. Period. What more do you want? To spell out every 'i' and 't' for you?
If the cleaning is the sole prerogative of the TC, why is NEA negotiating with the Hawker's Association?
NEA is the mischief creator in this whole episode.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

HAHHAHAH,,,,Got More Shit, u talking about yourself right? U fucked up on the last GE, and you are a sorry excuse of an Opposition politician. Why dont u learn from your own mistakes and shut up and just leave the Singapore political scene. We dont need you to promote and help the PAP more. If u leave the political scene and never come back and talk more sense from now on..u might actually get more support and appreciation from the people.

U said it all,,,the silly one is you, the big fool is you, your arguments against WP is full of holes, you made mistakes that benefitted PAP....

Making mistakes aren't end of the world but trying to be smart alec and argue with obvious holes in all argument, will make you look very silly and a big fool in the end.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[SgParent]

hahaha.....obviously talking through your arse again.... as if the hawkers are all interested in shutting down to do such cleaning....
they are losing a lot of money for each day of closure and only idiots like u will think they demand additional cleaning beyond the bare minimum dictated by NEA.....
truely retarded....

I think that mysterious Hawker Association/individual hawkers wanted "extra" >2.5m cleaning, not the general cleaning itself.

Of course I maybe "talking through your arse" but so might you, unless you are NEA, AHPETC, the mysterious Hawker Association or an individual hawker involved here.

So I'm still looking at NEA, the organizing body, instead of focusing all its resources in finger pointing, could, should and must clear up the confusion and come out with a joint statement to account for what happened and what will happen.

 

[aurvandil]

Not so much NEA but the outgoing CEO Andrew Tan trying to do favours in an effort to move up the ranks. He hopes to one day be offered a place in a safe GRC and become a MoS.

Spot on. WP has not asked anything unreasonable from the hawkers.

The hawkers can want cleaning of high places as often as they choose. But if exceeds once per year, WP is reasonable to ask for compensation for added scaffolding resources because NEA only demands that you clean high places annually.

Note that WP has never asked additional payment for routine cleaning - something which detractors should take note of.

Very small storm in very large teacup. It will be NEA coming away from this looking very bad, not WP.

 

[HTOLAS]

Indeed, I hear that some of them claimed $1000 per day in profits. I'm sure IRAS would be very happy to know that.

hahaha.....obviously talking through your arse again.... as if the hawkers are all interested in shutting down to do such cleaning....
they are losing a lot of money for each day of closure and only idiots like u will think they demand additional cleaning beyond the bare minimum dictated by NEA.....
truely retarded....

 

[IamTiong]

Not so much NEA but the outgoing CEO Andrew Tan trying to do favours in an effort to move up the ranks. He hopes to one day be offered a place in a safe GRC and become a MoS.

Next thing you will see is that the biggest dengue cluster will be in AHTC area!!

 

[aurvandil]

Not so much NEA but the outgoing CEO Andrew Tan trying to do favours in an effort to move up the ranks. He hopes to one day be offered a place in a safe GRC and become a MoS.

MSM has reported on CEO Andrew Tan leaving NEA. Note the deliberate attempt not to say where he will be going. WP bros reading this thread please follow him closely and SHOUT LOUD LOUD when he surfaces.

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130605-427648.html

SINGAPORE - Mr Ronnie Tay will be appointed Chief Executive Officer (CEO)-designate of the National Environment Agency (NEA) with effect from June 10 and as CEO with effect from July 1.

He will take over from Mr Andrew Tan Kok Kiong, who will be leaving to attend an Advanced Management Programme prior to his next posting.

Mr Tan, 46, has been the CEO of NEA since January 2009. Under his leadership, NEA made significant progress in reviewing key policies, building new capabilities and rolling out new programmes, said the Ministry of Environment and Water Resources.

Key policy changes implemented during his tenure include an overhaul of hawker centre policies to improve Singaporeans' accessibility to affordable food choices; a roadmap to achieving higher air quality targets; and more stringent limits for construction noise to cater to public expectations for a quieter environment.

Mr Tan was also credited for transforming NEA to be more responsive and resourceful in tackling both present and future environmental challenges.

His successor Mr Tay, 49, began his career with the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) in 1982, and was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the Infocomm Development Authority of Singapore (IDA) in November 2007.

During Mr Tay's 25 years in the SAF, he held various key command and staff appointments. He was Chief of Navy from April 2003 to August 2007. His earlier appointments include Fleet Commander, Head Naval Operations Department, and Chief of Staff - Naval Staff.

 

[wwabbit]

Let me summarize what has been going on so far

NEA: 1 + 1 = 3
Pritam Singh: Err... that's not right, 1 + 1 = 2
Goh Meng Seng: PRITAM SINGH IS EMBARRASSING HIMSELF, NEA ALREADY SAY THAT 1 + 1 = 3, WHY PRITAM SINGH TELL LIES AND TRY TO TELL EVERYONE THAT 1 + 1 = 2 ??? FACEPALM!!!!!

 

[kukubird58]

I think that mysterious Hawker Association/individual hawkers wanted "extra" >2.5m cleaning, not the general cleaning itself.

Of course I maybe "talking through your arse" but so might you, unless you are NEA, AHPETC, the mysterious Hawker Association or an individual hawker involved here.
.

hahaha...i am quite sure u are talking thru your arse if u think that the hawkers requested additional cleaning...
besides loss of income/profits, there are fixed overheads that hawkers have to pay from their own pockets for each day of closure..
i think (this one I assume of course) u are salaried employee who are paid on public holidays/sick leaves/annual leave so u have no idea of fixed overheads for businesses....
i say this from personal experience as I am a merchant mixing with hawkers everyday in real life.....

 

[tioliaohuat]

boh tai chee liao.

[h=1]Hawker centres spring cleaning dispute resolved[/h]
[h=2]The parties involved in a dispute over the cleaning of hawker centres managed by the Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) have finally come to some resolution.[/h]

SINGAPORE: The parties involved in a dispute over the cleaning of hawker centres managed by the Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) have finally come to some resolution after a meeting on Thursday among the town council, the National Environment Agency (NEA) and the affected hawkers.
The meeting lasted about an hour and was held at NEA's office.
Parties agreed that spring cleaning at the hawker centres at Block 511 in Bedok North Street 3 and Block 630 at Bedok Reservoir Road will be done within a month.

NEA's Director of the Hawker Centres Division, Richard Tan said: "We note that the town council is committed to ensuring that spring cleaning is done without any cost to the hawkers and without compromising public hygiene and safety, they will do the spring cleaning within a month."

Chan Kheng Heng, Secretary for the Block 511 Hawkers Association told reporters that the town council has proposed a new cleaning method that will not require the closure of the food centre.

He said he is satisfied with how the meeting turned out.

AHPETC property manager Tai Vie Shun, who emerged from the meeting, did not want to comment.

The dispute started after what appears to be a misunderstanding over who should bear the cost of the erection of scaffolding to clean high areas in the food centre.

Stallholders from the two food centres in Bedok had said they were told by the town council that they would have to pay extra for scaffolding which they never had to pay in the past.

The NEA stepped in to say that it was the town council's responsibility to pay for the spring cleaning.

The town council has since agreed to this.

The dispute then shifted to when the cleaning of the hawker centre at Block 511 Bedok North Street 3 should take place.

Hawkers there said it should take place as scheduled in June and not in November, as indicated by the town council.

The NEA has said that the cleaning of hawker centres should take place as scheduled to ensure public health and hygiene are not compromised.

The hawker centre at Block 511 was last cleaned exactly a year ago.



- CNA/fa
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/hawker-centres-spring-cleaning-dispute-r/700140.html

 

[winnipegjets]

Chan Kheng Heng - the hawker association head, a PAP insurgent?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Well, finally it has a closure for now... Apparently AHTC has lost quite badly in this saga...

Forced to do the cleaning in June instead of their scheduled November.

I am interested to know how or what new method they will be using to clean the ceiling without scaffolding.

Goh Meng Seng

boh tai chee liao.

[h=1]Hawker centres spring cleaning dispute resolved[/h]
[h=2]The parties involved in a dispute over the cleaning of hawker centres managed by the Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) have finally come to some resolution.[/h]

SINGAPORE: The parties involved in a dispute over the cleaning of hawker centres managed by the Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) have finally come to some resolution after a meeting on Thursday among the town council, the National Environment Agency (NEA) and the affected hawkers.
The meeting lasted about an hour and was held at NEA's office.
Parties agreed that spring cleaning at the hawker centres at Block 511 in Bedok North Street 3 and Block 630 at Bedok Reservoir Road will be done within a month.

NEA's Director of the Hawker Centres Division, Richard Tan said: "We note that the town council is committed to ensuring that spring cleaning is done without any cost to the hawkers and without compromising public hygiene and safety, they will do the spring cleaning within a month."

Chan Kheng Heng, Secretary for the Block 511 Hawkers Association told reporters that the town council has proposed a new cleaning method that will not require the closure of the food centre.

He said he is satisfied with how the meeting turned out.

AHPETC property manager Tai Vie Shun, who emerged from the meeting, did not want to comment.

The dispute started after what appears to be a misunderstanding over who should bear the cost of the erection of scaffolding to clean high areas in the food centre.

Stallholders from the two food centres in Bedok had said they were told by the town council that they would have to pay extra for scaffolding which they never had to pay in the past.

The NEA stepped in to say that it was the town council's responsibility to pay for the spring cleaning.

The town council has since agreed to this.

The dispute then shifted to when the cleaning of the hawker centre at Block 511 Bedok North Street 3 should take place.

Hawkers there said it should take place as scheduled in June and not in November, as indicated by the town council.

The NEA has said that the cleaning of hawker centres should take place as scheduled to ensure public health and hygiene are not compromised.

The hawker centre at Block 511 was last cleaned exactly a year ago.



- CNA/fa
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/hawker-centres-spring-cleaning-dispute-r/700140.html

 

[kukubird58]

Indeed, I hear that some of them claimed $1000 per day in profits. I'm sure IRAS would be very happy to know that.

hahaha...i stand corrected.....but if you are refrring to the 1 quoted in the press, i think he is talking about revenue/income, not profits...

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

People are claiming for COST plus loss of income of $1000 lah!

Goh Meng Seng

hahaha...i stand corrected.....but if you are refrring to the 1 quoted in the press, i think he is talking about revenue/income, not profits...

 

[winnipegjets]

People are claiming for COST plus loss of income of $1000 lah!

Goh Meng Seng

Of course, you are laughing. Did you incite them?

 

[winnipegjets]

Well, finally it has a closure for now... Apparently AHTC has lost quite badly in this saga...

Where the NEA's response to WP TC public statement?

Forced to do the cleaning in June instead of their scheduled November.

Traitors like you would love to see WP enmesh in controversy. Some battles are not worth fighting. WP is focus on the war, not battles.

 

[winnipegjets]

We still await to hear the NEA's response to the WP statement. Did WP lie or NEA was the trouble maker?