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Stallholders in row with Workers Party town council

Thick Face Black Heart

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Generous Asset
YSL destiny predicted no doubt and the reasons used to sack him have been deliberated as well.


What the hell do you mean by "YSL destiny predicted no doubt"? Are you translating directly from Cantonese into English???

May I also gently remind you that your prediction was for WP to get near or below 55%. WP got 62%, surpassing your best estimate by a full 7 percentage points.
 

Char_Azn

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More complaining liao
Another hawker centre in Bedok has lodged complaints with the National Environment Agency (NEA) about having to pay extra to Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) for high-area cleaning.

The agency said on Sunday night that apart from Block 511 and 538 at Bedok North, it has also received "similar feedback and concerns from hawkers at Block 630 Bedok Reservoir that AHPETC does not intend to clean areas above 2.5m".

It has also been told by contractors that for the spring cleaning of Block 209 in Kovan which starts on Monday, they will be using long poles, and not scaffolding, to clean the centre's ceiling.

All four blocks are situated in Aljunied GRC, which is held by the Workers' Party. The statement by NEA, released on Sunday night in response to media queries, was the latest in an on ongoing dispute between the government agency and AHPETC.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/another-bedok-hawker-centre-complains-about-extra-charges-nea-20130603
 

DEDEER

Alfrescian
Loyal
Wow. That fatty oily face goh ms pap agent still dare to claim all along tkl failure was expected. I mean forummers may forget what he predicted but he himself can forget?

Lying with a straight face. What a hypocrite. Lucky tampines resident gave him the middle finger.无名剩真是丢脸的, 还敢大言不惭。
 

Thick Face Black Heart

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
AHPETC REFUTES NEA’S ALLEGATIONS


Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) notes with concern the inaccuracies contained in the releases from National Environment Agency (NEA) over the last few days relating to the cleaning of two hawker centres within the jurisdiction of AHPETC.


To allay unnecessary anxiety caused to hawkers and the public due to the media reports, we enclose as Annex A, the tentative schedules for annual cleaning of the five hawker centres within our jurisdiction. At these annual cleanings, the Town Council will bear all cost related to cleaning the high areas, including all necessary scaffolding and canvas costs. This is in keeping with our obligation to clean the high areas annually, as confirmed by NEA’s Advisory of 31 May 2013.


We also wish to set out the facts as we know them relating to the cleaning of the two Bedok North markets under our charge and to refute the unfounded allegations against the Town Council.


Block 538 Bedok North Market / Hawker Centre


By way of email dated 7 Feb 2013, NEA informed the Town Council that “the Hawkers’ Association will make the necessary arrangements with their contractors on the scaffolding erection / dismantling during the spring cleaning period from 4-8 March 2013.” We leave it to the public to judge whether any reasonable person would take the sentence to refer merely to the provision of canvas rather than the erection / dismantling of scaffolding itself, as NEA now claims. The TC took NEA’s email in good faith and left the arrangement of the scaffolding in the hands of NEA and the hawkers’ association.


We understand that the hawkers’ association themselves then approached our cleaning contractor, ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd. TC was not privy to any discussions between the hawkers’ association and ATL.


NEA claimed that the hawkers’ association had referred ATL back to the Town Council which was acknowledged on 19 February. We have checked these claims and found them to be untrue. Our contractor informed us that the hawkers’ association had approached them for a quotation for the scaffolding, which they had provided, but nothing further was heard by our contractor. Our property manager also confirmed that he had told the hawkers’ association that the Town Council was not involved in any private arrangements made by the hawkers’ association.


If NEA had felt that any of the above arrangements were not in accordance with requirements, NEA, being the co-ordinating agency, could have easily clarified the matter instead of perpetuating the confusion.


NEA doubted whether cleaning of the high areas was done in 2012 at the market at Blk 538. From our records, the high areas were cleaned as can be seen from the attached photographs in Annex B taken in March 2012.


Block 511 Bedok North Market / Hawker Centre


The TC’s position regarding the cleaning of Blk 538 above would also apply to Blk 511. Our property manager merely sought confirmation whether NEA would facilitate the same arrangement regarding the scaffolding as was done for Blk 538.


Role of NEA


We believe it is prudent for our Town Council to deal with NEA as the lead agency, rather than other bodies such as the hawkers’ association and the Citizens’ Consultative Committee under the People’s Association, on the cleaning of markets and hawker centres, to resolve any issues without complicating the matter further. We trust the NEA would not want to see a repetition of such episodes and strongly urge the NEA to play a constructive role in this matter, even though the political party entrusted with running AHPETC is not related to the government. The AHPETC is committed to fulfilling all its obligations. We hope the NEA will adopt a solution-focused approach to the matter. AHPETC looks forward to the meeting with NEA on 6 June 2013.


PRITAM SINGH
VICE-CHAIRMAN
ALJUNIED-HOUGANG-PUNGGOL EAST TOWN COUNCIL
3 June 2013


Annex A – AHPETC’s tentative schedule for annual cleaning in 2013
Annex B – Photographs of high-areas at Block 538, after cleaning in March 2012
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
Haha... still dare to post it here? Embarrassing substandard press statement lah!

NEA just said AHTC didn't provide the scaffolding in last year's cleaning...not that AHTC didn't clean... what the hell is Pritam talking about?


Why would the contractor tell the hawkers this quotation has nothing to do with AHTC if it was the hawkers who asked for the quotation?

After all these silly miscommunication and misunderstanding, don't you find it weird that AHTC only want to meet up with NEA alone but not the hawkers?

LOLx! Faceplam!

Goh Meng Seng
 

winnipegjets

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To allay unnecessary anxiety caused to hawkers and the public due to the media reports, we enclose as Annex A, the tentative schedules for annual cleaning of the five hawker centres within our jurisdiction. At these annual cleanings, the Town Council will bear all cost related to cleaning the high areas, including all necessary scaffolding and canvas costs. This is in keeping with our obligation to clean the high areas annually, as confirmed by NEA’s Advisory of 31 May 2013.

Let's see if the NEA and the PAP insurgents in the CCC and 'hawkers association' will stir up more troubles. WP should go to the hawkers and explain. They must not let the PAP insurgents and NEA sour their reputation. It is time to go on the offensive. If the CCC and mysterious hawker association fire back with their leaflets, we should humtum government for using our tax dollars to further the PAP political activities.

By way of email dated 7 Feb 2013, NEA informed the Town Council that “the Hawkers’ Association will make the necessary arrangements with their contractors on the scaffolding erection / dismantling during the spring cleaning period from 4-8 March 2013.”

Is the NEA going to deny this? Don't obfuscate this time, just come out with a YES or NO.

NEA doubted whether cleaning of the high areas was done in 2012 at the market at Blk 538. From our records, the high areas were cleaned as can be seen from the attached photographs in Annex B taken in March 2012.

Opposition-run wards are given special attention by NEA, why? Government using civil servants to do their dirty work of harassing the opposition. Damn them.

The TC’s position regarding the cleaning of Blk 538 above would also apply to Blk 511. Our property manager merely sought confirmation whether NEA would facilitate the same arrangement regarding the scaffolding as was done for Blk 538.
NEA is totally confused about its role. It once to butt in on one instance and another instance, it wants to butt out.

The NEA CEO is trying to score cookie points with LHL?

Mr Andrew Tan, CEO of NEA
Mr Andrew Tan, 41, began his career with the Singapore Administrative Service in the Ministry of Information and the Arts. He was subsequently posted to the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) where he held appointments as Head (Control of Manpower Department), Deputy Director (Defence Relations)and Director (Policy Office). He was appointed Principal Private Secretary to Senior Minister (and later Minister Mentor) Lee Kuan Yew from 2002 to 2004. He also held senior appointments in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as Deputy Secretary (Policy), and later, Deputy Secretary (International).

Mr Tan is also the Director, Centre for Liveable Cities (CLC) in the Ministry of National Development.

Mr Tan graduated from King's College, University of London with a First Class Honours Degree in History and holds a Masters in Public Administration

We believe it is prudent for our Town Council to deal with NEA as the lead agency, rather than other bodies such as the hawkers’ association and the Citizens’ Consultative Committee under the People’s Association, on the cleaning of markets and hawker centres, to resolve any issues without complicating the matter further. We trust the NEA would not want to see a repetition of such episodes and strongly urge the NEA to play a constructive role in this matter, even though the political party entrusted with running AHPETC is not related to the government. The AHPETC is committed to fulfilling all its obligations. We hope the NEA will adopt a solution-focused approach to the matter. AHPETC looks forward to the meeting with NEA on 6 June 2013.

And the NEA will come out with complete denial. NEA CEO is now malu ...and whacking some of his people for messing up on this. They thought they check-mated WP TC (as claimed by Harban Goh Meng Seng), looks like it is the other way around.


Damn, Opposition MPs must always be on top of their game ...keep every tiny little communications with the government and scrutinize every t and i.
Some way must be found to make the civil service politically neutral or else, 90 percent of resources of opposition MPs will be spent dealing with the damn governmental agencies.
 

winnipegjets

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The PAP insurgents (hawker association) will regroup, refer to their battle doctrine manual, ring up their adviser for direction and then be more malu.

WP should launch ground assault soon ...talk to the hawkers and provide information leaflets to residents. The ground war is important to win the hearts and minds of the resident.
 

DEDEER

Alfrescian
Loyal
Haha... still dare to post it here? Embarrassing substandard press statement lah!


LOLx! Faceplam!

Goh Meng Seng

Goh Meng Seng PAP dog,

You still dare to post here? You have been caught lying :biggrin:

Still claim that TKL loss was expected when you have been declaring that TJS & TCB more likely to lose deposits?

You very thickskin huh PAP dog.
 

DEDEER

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Loyal
I'm calling out your BS.

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?99218-PE-Prediction-Wishlist-Lay-it-down-here&p=805519#post805519

"TKL is not the one who should worry about his deposit. TCB and TJS are the ones who should be worried about their deposits. " - Goh Meng Seng


I actually feel sorry for you. You have made it your life goal to discredit everything about the Worker's Party, and trying to convince anyone that is listening to you that the Worker's Party are made up of bad people. You have delusions of the whole Singapore listening to you and agreeing with you, but the fact is everyone knows that you have no credibility and it is obvious that you have a grudge against the Worker's Party despite your laughable claims to be objective.

No one is listening to you, and no one believes anything you say. One day you will realize this and finally see yourself for what you are.

Goh Meng Seng PAP dog,

Don't pretend not to see this. How malu right. Mr Liar.
 

cass888

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Pritam Singh is an idiot. He can argue all he wants but he has pissed off the hawkers - and the hawkers are a group of people you do not want to piss off in your ward. Another poster here is right, the hawkers talk and their complaints are going to be louder and much more effective than any exchange between the one who read from someone else's blog for his parliamentary speeches and NEA.

Interesting, Pritam Singh may be saving all his ammo for the final kill lol
 

tanwahp

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Asset
NEA just said AHTC didn't provide the scaffolding in last year's cleaning...not that AHTC didn't clean... what the hell is Pritam talking about?

Everyone can see everywhere everyday that NEA has been reminding AHPETC to fulfill their cleaning duties. Even this was discussed in this thread including Goh himself.

I really don't know if Goh knows what's going on from the start. Or can we firmly conclude that this is all about grudges, old scores and blind hatred despite his claims otherwise.
 

tanwahp

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Asset
Pritam Singh is an idiot. He can argue all he wants but he has pissed off the hawkers - and the hawkers are a group of people you do not want to piss off in your ward. Another poster here is right, the hawkers talk and their complaints are going to be louder and much more effective than any exchange between the one who read from someone else's blog for his parliamentary speeches and NEA.

The hawker "leaders" who started this are so to speak your typical distant neighbour who's not close with other households and serves in your RC downstairs, or the fellow shopkeeper who serves in your building's MCST. We haven't learnt that when such things come everyone stays in their partisan lines and people cross camps if there are matters bigger than the comfort zone, like housing and transport matters.

If WP called for independent unions and do away with PA turns away the cleaner aunties or taiji aunties, WP would not have been able to win so many wards. I am confident of Singaporeans ability to discern.
 

AntiPAPunk

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The hawker "leaders" who started this are so to speak your typical distant neighbour who's not close with other households and serves in your RC downstairs, or the fellow shopkeeper who serves in your building's MCST.

Incidentally, there is a moronic clone who uses one of his clone with the moniker "hawker" to input grey card profanities to forummers he dislike with this taunt "who am i?" Don't have to donate to find out because by doing that u will only get to know the name of the clone which is pointless when it's from a clone maker. :biggrin:

Most importantly is to know who is the owner behind them, which is the PAP IB who are into nick sharing. Can find them posting in the casino thread.
:biggrin:
 
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SgParent

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AHPETC REFUTES NEA’S ALLEGATIONS


Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) notes with concern the inaccuracies
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’s position regarding the cleaning of Blk 538 above would also apply to Blk 511. Our property manager merely sought confirmation whether NEA would facilitate the same arrangement regarding the scaffolding as was done for Blk 538.


Role of NEA


We believe it is prudent for our Town Council to deal with NEA as the lead agency, rather than other bodies such as the hawkers’ association and the Citizens’ Consultative Committee under the People’s Association, on the cleaning of markets and hawker centres, to resolve any issues without complicating the matter further. We trust the NEA would not want to see a repetition of such episodes and strongly urge the NEA to play a constructive role in this matter, even though the political party entrusted with running AHPETC is not related to the government. The AHPETC is committed to fulfilling all its obligations. We hope the NEA will adopt a solution-focused approach to the matter. AHPETC looks forward to the meeting with NEA on 6 June 2013.


PRITAM SINGH
VICE-CHAIRMAN
ALJUNIED-HOUGANG-PUNGGOL EAST TOWN COUNCIL
3 June 2013


Annex A – AHPETC’s tentative schedule for annual cleaning in 2013
Annex B – Photographs of high-areas at Block 538, after cleaning in March 2012

This is turning out to be a storm in a tea cup. Other that bros in SBF, I doubt if the rest of Singapore is following this closely. To recap, this is what appears to be happening:

1) It is NEA's requirement for spring cleaning to be done every quarter. The cleaning of the high places with scaffolding is required to be done once every year. This cleaning is the scope of services covered by the S&C paid by the hawkers.
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7) On the day of the cleaning, no scaffolding was provided. There was hence no cleaning of the high places. This led to the current disagreement.

Not saying who is wrong or who is right but this seems to be what happened.

Well aurvandil is not far from what WP Ah Singh has recounted.

Still I'm confused with so many versions going around but I like Ah Singh's last paragraph about NEA taking the lead to resolve such matters.
 

SgParent

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Block 538 Bedok North Market / Hawker Centre


By way of email dated 7 Feb 2013, NEA informed the Town Council that “the Hawkers’ Association will make the necessary arrangements with their contractors on the scaffolding erection / dismantling during the spring cleaning period from 4-8 March 2013.” We leave it to the public to judge whether any reasonable person would take the sentence to refer merely to the provision of canvas rather than the erection / dismantling of scaffolding itself, as NEA now claims. The TC took NEA’s email in good faith and left the arrangement of the scaffolding in the hands of NEA and the hawkers’ association.


We understand that the hawkers’ association themselves then approached our cleaning contractor, ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd. TC was not privy to any discussions between the hawkers’ association and ATL.


NEA claimed that the hawkers’ association had referred ATL back to the Town Council which was acknowledged on 19 February. We have checked these claims and found them to be untrue. Our contractor informed us that the hawkers’ association had approached them for a quotation for the scaffolding, which they had provided, but nothing further was heard by our contractor. Our property manager also confirmed that he had told the hawkers’ association that the Town Council was not involved in any private arrangements made by the hawkers’ association.


So AHPETC is not as stupid as Rabid GohMS thought...... now the email from NEA is out, lets see.

a) Looks like Hawker Association/hawkers wanted extra cleaning on >2.5m so Hawker Association volunteered to NEA that it will provide the scaffolding - so when the scaffolding was not up, TC couldn't clean then why NEA/hawkers went after TC while Hawker Association itself has been quietly sitting in a corner, grinning?

b) Hawker Association, maybe too cheapskate, maybe no contractor friend, so looked for ATL for help. Not sure whose storyline is correct (between Hawker Association and ATL) but yeah TC is correct, "no authorized" person from TC was involved - so why NEA/hawkers went after TC while Hawker Association kept quiet? I think Rabid GohMS also whining that TC lied

My thoughts:-
Ok TC could have made a big fuss immediately when it/ATL found out no scaffolding was provided by Hawker Association and made sure all parties know Hawker Association played out NEA/TC/hawkers. Or maybe it did, behind the scene, talking to Hawker Association on this matter. Not sure.

But the biggest egg is on the face of NEA...... played out by Hawker Association, blamed TC needlessly and got itself into trouble (because it is THE ministry responsible for such matters)

2nd biggest egg is of course on the face of Rabid GohMS aka Mr I'm-always-correct aka Mr I-always-have-the-last-word, for perpetuating the allegations against AHPETC and brought harm, distress to the AHPE voters. I'm glad the voters have rejected Rabid GohMS every time.
 

SgParent

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Haha... still dare to post it here? Embarrassing substandard press statement lah!

NEA just said AHTC didn't provide the scaffolding in last year's cleaning...not that AHTC didn't clean... what the hell is Pritam talking about?

So fast changing the storyline and allegation? Last time it was the Mar cleaning now you want to talk about last year? What's next? Ah Singh never wipe his own backside when he was 1yo? Geez.....

Seriously if you are found to have wronged WP/AHPETC/Ah Singh then apologize or simply shut up, instead of embarrassing yourself and your family name further


Why would the contractor tell the hawkers this quotation has nothing to do with AHTC if it was the hawkers who asked for the quotation?

Are you even reading your own words?

HAWKERS asked CONTRACTOR for quotation. Do you see AHTC anywhere there?

Anyway I doubt the individual hawkers would so free go talk to ATL. So it should be the Hawker Association instead


After all these silly miscommunication and misunderstanding, don't you find it weird that AHTC only want to meet up with NEA alone but not the hawkers?

Care to elaborate on what's wrong with that?
 
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