Singapore is overpopulated

[Ramseth]

In the late 60s and 70s, with 2m population, the government said that it's overpopulated, encouraged sterilisation and 2-is-enough campaign, fined couples with 3 babies or more. Today, with 4m population, the same government says that it's underpopulated, encouraging and subsidizing more babies and more foreign talent imports, especially of ethnic Malaysian Chinese or PRC Chinese.

Why? I speculate a theory, just speculation only. In the late 60s and 70s, this government still harbored the dream of remerger with Malaysia. Such a dream couldn't be acceptable to the Malaysian federation if the ethnic Chinese population in Singapore held at status quo then or increased. However, by the early 80s, Mahathir M. became the Malaysian PM and Lee K.Y. could see that the remerger even as a remote possibility was as dead as trying to restore a Manchurian dynasty in China.

The population imbalance began to show up starkly and worryingly. During that period, Malaysian population grew from 8m to 20m whilst Singapore was struggling between 2m to 3m. Hence the u-turn in birthrate and population policies.

Today Malaysian population is almost 30m, with about 8m ethnic Chinese. Singapore is about 4m with 3m ethnic Chinese. That's counting all PRs and legal immigrants. If counting citizens only, Singapore's population is less and can even look pathetic. In 1963-65, in terms of population balance politics, Singapore's weightage was worth about 3 big Malaysian states. Today, it's worth one KL only.

 

[i_am_belle]

You might as well say lets all stay at home and dont even leave the house?

Or better, lets all move into the forest and jungle since we hav e people here who dislike HDB flats so much.

singapore where got forest ?

actually it is so - i dare not leave my house at times ... take last evening, wanted to go for zhi cha but realised it was holiday + sunday nite ... hard to find tables plus the service standard sure go down becos overcrowded - waiters will become harried, rude ...

end up - cooked at home ... mid-week then go for zhi char ... bo lang ... waiters very eng, good service plus got time to chitchat with u ...

so, our lives have to change becos of overcrowding outside ...

thats also why ppl in developed countries where its not so crowded are nicer, gracious ...

 

[i_am_belle]

Today Malaysian population is almost 30m, with about 8m ethnic Chinese. Singapore is about 4m with 3m ethnic Chinese. That's counting all PRs and legal immigrants. If counting citizens only, Singapore's population is less and can even look pathetic. In 1963-65, in terms of population balance politics, Singapore's weightage was worth about 3 big Malaysian states. Today, it's worth one KL only.

yep, u made a good point when u said - singapore residential population is large, but citizenship is small ...

lots of ppl all over the world are eager to hold singapore PRship, but not many want to take up citizenship ...

 

[makapaaa]

:p:p:p not forgetting to mention that Singapore has one of the highest population density of over 6K per squared km. :p:p:p

not overcrowded?

In fact the effective figure should be way higher considering that Peesai also has the highest density of golf courses in the world. Hence the Papayas won't "feel" the crowd cos they've fenced off a large part of it from their own private use.

 

[po2wq]

:p:p:p not forgetting to mention that Singapore has one of the highest population density of over 6K per squared km. :p:p:p

not overcrowded?

overcrowded ... n ... overcrowed ...

:p

 

[hockbeng]

Singapore is overpopulated
Subject: Re: Singapore is overpopulated

Yes Singapore is now so overcrowded. It is overpopulated
with huge influx of foreigners.
So all these talks about Singaporeans not producing enough
babies are pure rubbish. If a country is over populated, why
is there a need to increase the birth rate ?
Then why are the papist constantly talking about the low
birth rate ?
The papist real motive in raising this issue is to psycho Singaporeans
into subconsciously accepting the huge inflow of foreigners which
the papist intended to continue and possibly increase.These huge
inflow of foreigners work to the benefits of the papist but adversely
affected the lives of Singaporeans. Foreigners make governing
Singapore easier. Foreigners give competition to Singaporeans.
Foreigners support the papist. Foreigners depressed wages and
thus make the papist companies highly profitable.Foreigners
will lead to economic growth which don't necessarily benefit
Singaporeans.
If the papist really cares for Singaporeans, then they should
introduced measures to protect Singaporeans just like so many
other democratic countries like Australia. They will grow the
economy differently. Instead of relying on injection of labour to
grow the economy, they should have look into ways to improve
productivity. The papist are either lazy or incapable. They always
chose the easy way out of their problem.

Just spoke to a sporean friend who has been in the US for more than 10 years.
He is giving up his spore citizenship and getting a US one.
I asked him why?

He counter questioned me:
What do you do during your free time in spore?
What can you do during your free time?
Do you guys have any "quality free time"
Do you guys have anywhere to go during your free time even if you have the time?
Do you have time for friends and other inter-personal relationships outside your immediate family?
Other than property prices, what else do sporeans talk about or have interest in?

 

[zhihau]

In fact the effective figure should be way higher considering that Peesai also has the highest density of golf courses in the world. Hence the Papayas won't "feel" the crowd cos they've fenced off a large part of it from their own private use.

oh yah hor... and minus the military training grounds, reservoirs, industrial sites and carparks... good grief...

 

[Nice-Gook]

Why? I speculate a theory, just speculation only. In the late 60s and 70s, this government still harbored the dream of remerger with Malaysia. Such a dream couldn't be acceptable to the Malaysian federation if the ethnic Chinese population in Singapore held at status quo
The population imbalance began to show up starkly and worryingly. During that period, Malaysian population grew from 8m to 20m whilst Singapore was struggling between 2m to 3m. Hence the u-turn in birthrate and population policies.

Today Malaysian population is almost 30m, with about 8m ethnic Chinese. Singapore is about 4m with 3m ethnic Chinese. That's counting all PRs and legal immigrants. If counting citizens only, Singapore's population is less and can even look pathetic. In 1963-65, in terms of population balance politics, Singapore's weightage was worth about 3 big Malaysian states. Today, it's worth one KL only.

<style></style>Your theory has serious flaws...Its not a mere number game for populace -- SG vs Malaysia as far as ethnic Chinese are concerned.If within Malaysia ethnic Chinese as numbers do count since than they would form the crucial voting banks...so numbers for ethnic Chinese matters in Malaysia...Not for SG since 75% voters are already ethnic Chinese...Besides SG had always counted on attracting quality against quantity in the past..If ethnic Chinese numbers only matters in SG.The entire ethnic Malaysian Chinese would have been given SG citizenships in the 60s,70s and so on..

Why than numbers matters now?

Simple.SG grew and grew from 60s to 80s.PAP is in the business of collecting taxes.The truth is that PAP had no clue as how SG was prospering though they claim credit for SG growth.....Now SG growth had hit a plateau and PAP has to continue feeding the burecratic & crony monsters it had bred based on high growth...How to mah?

The alternative is to increase the consumption base by increasing the population...Because PAP monopolizes all basic consumption like.HDB,PUB,MRT,NTUC, DBS ,STARHUB,and etc etc.... and all are its monopoly..Therefore any increase of population in numeratical.term also increases PAP tax base directly(GST) & indirectly....so Leegime goes on happily ever after feeding the monster it had bred.

Just look the quality of PRC flooding SG now.Does it not tell you something?Ask any business community and they will tell you that its people at the lower rung of the economy who spend most of their disposable income..and heck with savings for the future!.

So it makes economical sense for PAP to flood SG with low quality economy refugees to increase its tax base...Besides,these low quality Ah Tiongs flooding SG neither have the time nor the inclination to question the authority that occupies the corridor of power...what a perfect solution !

 

[dysentry]

I think prepaid card business stalled after the whores and ancillary trash got flushed out.

 

[Ramseth]

<STYLE></STYLE>Your theory has serious flaws...Its not a mere number game for populace -- SG vs Malaysia as far as ethnic Chinese are concerned.If within Malaysia ethnic Chinese as numbers do count since than they would form the crucial voting banks...so numbers for ethnic Chinese matters in Malaysia...Not for SG since 75% voters are already ethnic Chinese...Besides SG had always counted on attracting quality against quantity in the past..If ethnic Chinese numbers only matters in SG.The entire ethnic Malaysian Chinese would have been given SG citizenships in the 60s,70s and so on..

Why than numbers matters now?

Exactly, numbers can't matter now. In the 60s, the addition of Singapore could make the Malaysian federated population 50% Chinese. If Singapore joins Malaysia now, it'd make no much difference, and Singaporeans have to learn Malay and Singapore MPs have to speak Malay in Parliament as just a city in a Malay and Muslim majority country. So, numbers cease to matter in that sense, in that it's inconceivable. But numbers do matter in another sense, the size of the population and the economy relative to Malaysia.

Simple.SG grew and grew from 60s to 80s.PAP is in the business of collecting taxes.The truth is that PAP had no clue as how SG was prospering though they claim credit for SG growth.....Now SG growth had hit a plateau and PAP has to continue feeding the burecratic & crony monsters it had bred based on high growth...How to mah?

The alternative is to increase the consumption base by increasing the population...Because PAP monopolizes all basic consumption like.HDB,PUB,MRT,NTUC, DBS ,STARHUB,and etc etc.... and all are its monopoly..Therefore any increase of population in numeratical.term also increases PAP tax base directly(GST) & indirectly....so Leegime goes on happily ever after feeding the monster it had bred.

Just look the quality of PRC flooding SG now.Does it not tell you something?Ask any business community and they will tell you that its people at the lower rung of the economy who spend most of their disposable income..and heck with savings for the future!.

So it makes economical sense for PAP to flood SG with low quality economy refugees to increase its tax base...Besides,these low quality Ah Tiongs flooding SG neither have the time nor the inclination to question the authority that occupies the corridor of power...what a perfect solution !

Yes, I agree. Regardless of citizens or foreigners, as long as they're here in Singapore, consumption buoys the economy and government revenues.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Yes, I agree. Regardless of citizens or foreigners, as long as they're here in Singapore, consumption buoys the economy and government revenues.

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I only wish that to sustain SG economy is just that simple.Just by increasing the number of the populace.When you outnumber locals by foreigners.Nation building cease.NS become irrelevant.Those in their 60s and above would be cheated out of their contributions to SG growth.Only those walking the corridor of power are advantaged...Familee !---that is the bottom-line.

On hindsight , to satisfy your curiosity what if SG is in the fold of the Malaysian federation ; let me say SG would have been better of if LKY and his gangs were diplomats when the merger of SG with Malaysia was negotiated..Alas ! what LKY and his gang were chauvinist,opportunistic legal eagles ; argumentative fighters of sort...So wise Malays amputated SG as if they would a cancerous arm or leg and saved Malaysia for Malays.In that respect my hats off to Malay wisdom....What LKY and his gang should have done is not to challenge the Malay rights--they are natives remember.Instead,SG should have negotiated for an autonomous region like what HK got out of China...Had SG came under Malaysia as an autonous region--only defense and foreign policy had to be sacrificed.Frankly,that would be the best scenario.Hell with NS and defense spending which is big drag on any economy and SG would have Malaysia as hinterland and gains all its resources including its land .All Malaysian resources would be equally SG's and with it a critical mass as its market...It would have been far better if SG had such an alliance with Indonesia..Bigger land & bigger critical mass.


Why?

Because SG policy of increasing it tax based on flooding SG with foreigners is both short sighted and stupid.Why?...Because there is no increase in productivity to sustain larger population.In short,any economy of any country should first increases its productivity in farming,than to manufacturing of goods and to the service sector.It is a natural order.SG had only increased its service sector by increasing population..But where is the market for SG service sector which is dependent on good-time factors ?

 

[Ramseth]

Nice Gook, you're a thinker and you know your history. More importantly, you know your present straits.

Turning Singapore into a populous but foreigner-dominated domain is not a viable long-term solution.

 

[zhihau]

Because SG policy of increasing it tax based on flooding SG with foreigners is both short sighted and stupid.Why?...Because there is no increase in productivity to sustain larger population.In short,any economy of any country should first increases its productivity in farming,than to manufacturing of goods and to the service sector.It is a natural order.SG had only increased its service sector by increasing population..But where is the market for SG service sector which is dependent on good-time factors ?

farming? i do recall someone said IMA was a "criminal waste of resources"

ps: IMA is the acronym for Institute of Molecular Agrobiology.

 

[Nice-Gook]

farming? i do recall someone said IMA was a "criminal waste of resources"

ps: IMA is the acronym for Institute of Molecular Agrobiology.

<style></style>Please read my post again.The emphasis is on 'any country' or any society or any tribe for that matter...A society should have enough to eat first...Please read Maslow's hierarchy of basic human needs for further verification..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Besides,IMA belongs to the service sector category...

Note--In 1995 the Institute of Molecular Agrobiology (IMA) was set up at the National University of Singapore on 18 April 1995 to carry out world-class agrobiological research and provide a strong knowledge infrastructure that would support the growth a high-tech agro-industry in Singapore

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[zhihau]

<style></style>Please read my post again.The emphasis is on 'any country' or any society or any tribe for that matter...A society should have enough to eat first...Please read Maslow's hierarchy of basic human needs for further verification..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Besides,IMA belongs to the service sector category...

Note--In 1995 the Institute of Molecular Agrobiology (IMA) was set up at the National University of Singapore on 18 April 1995 to carry out world-class agrobiological research and provide a strong knowledge infrastructure that would support the growth a high-tech agro-industry in Singapore

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i'm sorry you didn't catch my drift, but that's fine :p:p:p

 

[Watchman]

You all being great and I would like to keep this section alive .

 

[Watchman]

I think prepaid card business stalled after the whores and ancillary trash got flushed out.

Great observation !