Sam Leong's band of brothers - cyclists

[Leongsam]

So all the more reason cyclists should be licensed and insured like motor bikes since they are soo 'safe' ..won't cost much and give protection to all road users...and surely u have no issues with accountability and protections for all road users.?

When I was a kid and there were tons of cyclists around they were all registered and had number plates. It was done away with for obvious reasons. It served no purpose because cyclists caused so few issues of significance no different from pedestrians.

 

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[Hypocrite-The]

When I was a kid and there were tons of cyclists around they were all registered and had number plates. It was done away with for obvious reasons. It served no purpose because cyclists caused so few issues of significance no different from pedestrians.

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Now with modern technology..such frivolous issues are all rectified, all cyclists are licenced and insured also protects cyclists... surely U want all road users to have financial and legal protection?

 

[Leongsam]

Now with modern technology..such frivolous issues are all rectified, all cyclists are licenced and insured also protects cyclists... surely U want all road users to have financial and legal protection?

It's a ridiculous concept because cycling is no different from walking or jogging. Speeds are low, risks are minimal and any damage is minor.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

It's a ridiculous concept because cycling is no different from walking or jogging. Speeds are low, risks are minimal and any damage is minor.

But cycling speeds is not low...low speed means walking speed, and risks are high when cyclists hit pedestrians.....so a proper licence and insurance scheme will protect all road users..and makes cyclists accountable for their actions

 

[Leongsam]

But cycling speeds is not low...low speed means walking speed, and risks are high when cyclists hit pedestrians.....so a proper licence and insurance scheme will protect all road users..and makes cyclists accountable for their actions

Very often when a cyclist hits a pedestrian it is the cyclist that is more severely injured. Besides these incidents make up only a small portion of the injuries caused by vehicles. I'm all for road safety but emphasis needs to be placed where it is needed most.

The biggest issue on the roads is the atrocious standard of driving and poor enforcement. We see multiple cases daily of drivers ignoring red lights, speeding, texting while driving etc. The list of violations is shockingly long.

There is also a major issue of foreign drivers and vehicles causing carnage. The foreign drivers have dubious driving qualifications. The foreign vehicles often fail many safety standards and the authorities are just sitting on their hands doing absolutely nothing.

When the major risks have been dealt with successfully I'm all for then turning attention to relatively harmless cyclists. However when the patient is currently suffering from cancer it would be a bit ridiculous if his doctor ignored the malignancies and concentrated on treating his sore thumb first.

 

[Leongsam]

But cycling speeds is not low...low speed means walking speed, and risks are high when cyclists hit pedestrians.....so a proper licence and insurance scheme will protect all road users..and makes cyclists accountable for their actions

Forgot to mention all these car hire schemes. The people that rent these cars are clueless and are all potential killers! You worry about cyclists when we have these sorts of characters on the streets????

 

[Leongsam]

This is one of the best scenes ever... fucking lorry split in half

Not a single cyclist in sight just a clueless bangla driver who got his license in banglaland. nuff said.

If you want to worry about cyclists be my guest. I'm far more concerned about these sorts of characters who are driving half blind.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Forgot to mention all these car hire schemes. The people that rent these cars are clueless and are all potential killers! You worry about cyclists when we have these sorts of characters on the streets????

All the more reason for every road user to be licenced and Insured...at least those bad drivers need licenced and can be persecuted by the law...the same should apply for cyclists and pmd riders...and with all road vehicle users being insured .....there is accountability and protection for all...U always say cyclists are vulnerable... pedestrians are even more vulnerable..so being licenced and insured brings about protection and accountability for all road users...

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Very often when a cyclist hits a pedestrian it is the cyclist that is more severely injured. Besides these incidents make up only a small portion of the injuries caused by vehicles. I'm all for road safety but emphasis needs to be placed where it is needed most.

The biggest issue on the roads is the atrocious standard of driving and poor enforcement. We see multiple cases daily of drivers ignoring red lights, speeding, texting while driving etc. The list of violations is shockingly long.

There is also a major issue of foreign drivers and vehicles causing carnage. The foreign drivers have dubious driving qualifications. The foreign vehicles often fail many safety standards and the authorities are just sitting on their hands doing absolutely nothing.

When the major risks have been dealt with successfully I'm all for then turning attention to relatively harmless cyclists. However when the patient is currently suffering from cancer it would be a bit ridiculous if his doctor ignored the malignancies and concentrated on treating his sore thumb first.

Huh? Pedestrians suffer less injury than the cyclists? U sure?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Very often when a cyclist hits a pedestrian it is the cyclist that is more severely injured. Besides these incidents make up only a small portion of the injuries caused by vehicles. I'm all for road safety but emphasis needs to be placed where it is needed most.

The biggest issue on the roads is the atrocious standard of driving and poor enforcement. We see multiple cases daily of drivers ignoring red lights, speeding, texting while driving etc. The list of violations is shockingly long.

There is also a major issue of foreign drivers and vehicles causing carnage. The foreign drivers have dubious driving qualifications. The foreign vehicles often fail many safety standards and the authorities are just sitting on their hands doing absolutely nothing.

When the major risks have been dealt with successfully I'm all for then turning attention to relatively harmless cyclists. However when the patient is currently suffering from cancer it would be a bit ridiculous if his doctor ignored the malignancies and concentrated on treating his sore thumb first.

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/ca...licence-insurance-plans-loophole-nick-freeman

 

[Leongsam]

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/ca...licence-insurance-plans-loophole-nick-freeman

There will always be oddballs who just hate cyclists. However his statement that cyclists are going faster than cars certainly rings true. Congestion has slowed cars down to a crawl. In rush hour I can get to my office more quickly on my bike compared to driving. It doesn't mean I have pedal like madman or break any rules. It simply means that cars are pretty much at a standstill at many junctions.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

There will always be oddballs who just hate cyclists. However his statement that cyclists are going faster than cars certainly rings true. Congestion has slowed cars down to a crawl. In rush hour I can get to my office more quickly on my bike compared to driving. It doesn't mean I have pedal like madman or break any rules. It simply means that cars are pretty much at a standstill at many junctions.

Yes so all the more reason you should be licenced and insured as cyclists. That way cyclists are responsible for their own road behaviours n are insured and since there are more cyclists...they should be licenced too as there are more cyclists

 

[Leongsam]

All the more reason for every road user to be licenced and Insured...at least those bad drivers need licenced and can be persecuted by the law...the same should apply for cyclists and pmd riders...and with all road vehicle users being insured .....there is accountability and protection for all...U always say cyclists are vulnerable... pedestrians are even more vulnerable..so being licenced and insured brings about protection and accountability for all road users...

If we license and insure cyclists then we have to do the same with pedestrians. When does it end. I'm against red tape. Licensing and insurance of cars has done nothing to reduce the carnage. The motorists are still driving like idiots.

 

[Leongsam]

Yes so all the more reason you should be licenced and insured as cyclists. That way cyclists are responsible for their own road behaviours n are insured and since there are more cyclists...they should be licenced too as there are more cyclists

Numerous jurisdictions have proposed the licensing of cyclists but very few have implemented this measure because it simply isn't worth the hassle.

https://road.cc/content/feature/where-are-cyclists-licensed-295543

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Numerous jurisdictions have proposed the licensing of cyclists but very few have implemented this measure because it simply isn't worth the hassle.

https://road.cc/content/feature/where-are-cyclists-licensed-295543

So all the more reason to implement it to protect all road users...with modern technology etc...it's no longer a hassle..however it might not be implemented bcos of the cycling lobby etc...so now even cyclists are not insured which is a greater risk to themselves

 

[Hypocrite-The]

If we license and insure cyclists then we have to do the same with pedestrians. When does it end. I'm against red tape. Licensing and insurance of cars has done nothing to reduce the carnage. The motorists are still driving like idiots.

There are fewer cyclists than pedestrians...so no reason for cyclists to not be licenced and insured...bicycles are treated like vehicles when on the road...so no reason for them not to be insured and licensed ..and that ensures cyclists are accountable for their actions...

 

[Leongsam]

So all the more reason to implement it to protect all road users...with modern technology etc...it's no longer a hassle..however it might not be implemented bcos of the cycling lobby etc...so now even cyclists are not insured which is a greater risk to themselves

You keep harping over insurance but in NZ even drivers don't need to be insured. It's optional. You've been brainwashed by the system into believing that almost everything that moves requires insurance and of course the insurance companies love you.

From Grok AI :

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Based on the provided web search results, drivers in New Zealand are not required to be insured because vehicle insurance is not mandatory by law. This is a significant difference from many other countries where some form of car insurance is legally required. Here are some insights drawn from the provided sources:

1. Legal Framework: According to the information from nzpocketguide.com, there is no legal stipulation in New Zealand that mandates car insurance. This means that while drivers can choose to get insurance for financial protection, they are not legally obligated to do so.
2. Cultural and Economic Considerations: The Reddit discussion from r/Wellington highlights some practical reasons why mandatory insurance might not be favored. For instance, one user mentioned that in places where insurance is mandatory, like Canada, the cost can be significantly higher ($300-$500 a month) compared to New Zealand where it's much less ($300-$500 annually). This suggests that making insurance mandatory could lead to a substantial increase in costs, which might not be economically viable or acceptable for many New Zealanders.
3. Risk and Responsibility: The article from Mt Roskill Collision explains that without insurance, if you're at fault in an accident, you're personally liable for any damages. This aspect might encourage voluntary insurance uptake due to the potential financial risks involved in accidents, but it's still left to individual choice rather than being enforced by law.
4. ACC System: New Zealand has the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC), which provides no-fault personal injury cover. This system might reduce the perceived need for mandatory vehicle insurance since ACC covers personal injuries from car accidents, reducing the need for insurance to cover personal injury claims.

In summary, the absence of mandatory car insurance in New Zealand reflects a combination of legal freedom, economic considerations, the presence of the ACC for injury compensation, and possibly cultural attitudes towards personal responsibility and risk management. This setup allows individuals to decide based on their financial situation and risk tolerance, rather than being compelled by law.

 

[Leongsam]

There are fewer cyclists than pedestrians...so no reason for cyclists to not be licenced and insured...bicycles are treated like vehicles when on the road...so no reason for them not to be insured and licensed ..and that ensures cyclists are accountable for their actions...

You have drivers like this who could easily have killed a couple of people and you worry about insuring cyclists?

How did this clown get a license when he is blind and cannot see a set of bright RED lights and people crossing right in front of him??

Let's retest all license holders and when we finish that essential exercise we can then start worrying about cyclists.

 

[Leongsam]

Malaysian motorcyclists riding like hooligans.... absolute lawlessness and not a cyclist in sight.