Sam Leong's band of brothers - cyclists

[LordElrond]

Looks like the cycling groups will have to split the peloton into groups of 10 with 1 second or more separating each group like they do in road racing.

Which is already the new normal. After we found the beauty of riding in fives (not even 10), we will never go back to the crazy huge groups anymore

 

[Leongsam]

Which is already the new normal. After we found the beauty of riding in fives (not even 10), we will never go back to the crazy huge groups anymore

We are still doing large groups in NZ usually between 20 and 30 riders. We find that there is security in numbers and cars allow us to filter across lanes to turn right without too much of a hassle.

Outside of Auckland we even get friendly waves and thumbs ups from motorists. In Auckland the drivers are more grumpy which is typical in big cities.

 

[LordElrond]

We are still doing large groups in NZ usually between 20 and 30 riders. We find that there is security in numbers and cars allow us to filter across lanes to turn right without too much of a hassle.

Outside of Auckland we even get friendly waves and thumbs ups from motorists. In Auckland the drivers are more grumpy which is typical in big cities.

The issue here is more of many riders traversing the same routes. All you need is a traffic light and it looks as if 50 people are riding together. Many groups simply wear their group jersey to “prove” that they are in group of five.

 

[Leongsam]

The issue here is more of many riders traversing the same routes. All you need is a traffic light and it looks as if 50 people are riding together. Many groups simply wear their group jersey to “prove” that they are in group of five.

If there are routes which are frequented by large numbers of roadies the sensible thing to do would be to mandate priority for cyclists along these corridors. In other words cyclists have right of way and cars are obliged to allow cyclists safe passage.

 

[LordElrond]

If there are routes which are frequented by large numbers of roadies the sensible thing to do would be to mandate priority for cyclists along these corridors. In other words cyclists have right of way and cars are obliged to allow cyclists safe passage.

Frankly I’ve never faced any issues on this standard Round Island route. Now that the esteemed PAP has spoken, the keyboard warriors being law abiding citizens will get on with their lives. For a long time, they believed they have a birth right to run cyclists off the road.

 

[Leongsam]

Frankly I’ve never faced any issues on this standard Round Island route. Now that the esteemed PAP has spoken, the keyboard warriors being law abiding citizens will get on with their lives. For a long time, they believed they have a birth right to run cyclists off the road.

Do you have a strava map of this route? Would like to see exactly where it goes.

I raced "tour de Singapore" way back in 1969. It was about 105 km at the time and most of the route was through rural kampong areas. I actually finished with the peloton which was a major achievement considering I was just a school kid. However at the finish I fell off my bike with serious cramps and had to take a taxi home.

 

[porcaputtana]

Looks like the cycling groups will have to split the peloton into groups of 10 with 1 second or more separating each group like they do in road racing.

1. impossible to enforce. you will still see large pelotons of 20-30 . even now with max of 2 you still see large pelotons . Police cars have driven pass us many times and all they do is wave and smile

2. motorists now have one more thing to worry about : 1.5 m safe distance . Cyclist's lawyers are gleefully grinding their axes now

I would say the whole consultation exercise was a total waste of time . Done just to appease Mdm Ho and her toy boy Tay Ping Hui

Status quo for cyclists . Minus one point for the motorists . Muhahahahahahahahaha

 

[Leongsam]

1. impossible to enforce. you will still see large pelotons of 20-30 . even now with max of 2 you still see large pelotons . Police cars have driven pass us many times and all they do is wave and smile

2. motorists now have one more thing to worry about : 1.5 m safe distance . Cyclist's lawyers are gleefully grinding their axes now

I would say the whole consultation exercise was a total waste of time . Done just to appease Mdm Ho and her toy boy Tay Ping Hui

Status quo for cyclists . Minus one point for the motorists . Muhahahahahahahahaha

My suggestion was tongue in cheek. The one second gap suggestion comes from the definition of a "split" in a peloton used in stage races.

I fully agree that the the new proposals are a win for cyclists. Close passes are extremely intimidating even for experience cyclists. Making it an offense tips the balance in favor of cyclists.

 

[LordElrond]

Do you have a strava map of this route? Would like to see exactly where it goes.

I raced "tour de Singapore" way back in 1969. It was about 105 km at the time and most of the route was through rural kampong areas. I actually finished with the peloton which was a major achievement considering I was just a school kid. However at the finish I fell off my bike with serious cramps and had to take a taxi home.

The standard RI from some random guy. Kallang MACs - West Coast HW - Jln Buroh - Jln Boon Lay - Jln Bahar - LCK - Neo Yiew - Kranji - Mandai - Seletar - Punggol Pasir Ris - Loyang - TMCR - East Coast Beach

 

[Leongsam]

The standard RI. Kallang MACs - West Coast HW - Jln Buroh - Jln Boon Lay - Jln Bahar - LCK - Neo Yiew - Kranji - Mandai - Seletar - Punggol Pasir Ris - Loyang - TMCR - East Coast Beach

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That's a good average speed and to average 172 watts is commendable.

My best time for 100km is 2hours 18minutes (averaged over 40kph) but I was wheel sucking all the way and there was a good tail wind all the way. The race was between two towns not a loop.

 

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Quote: "There are, however, cyclists who do not adhere to the regulations....Despite formal complaints, the authorities have been unable to address this issue adequately."

That, from the motorists' point of view, is the bane of motorists.

Forum: Being considerate to fellow road users is key to safety​

Oct 5, 2021

I applaud the recent recommendations made by the Active Mobility Advisory Panel (Amap) to improve safety around on-road cycling (Review panel seeks limit of 10 on-road bicycles in a group, Oct 2).
Being considerate to fellow road users and exercising common sense would be a sustainable long-term strategy. One does not have to break any law to be deemed inconsiderate.
Singapore motorists should exercise due consideration when they see cyclists in a single file ahead of them.
I have witnessed cars overtaking such cyclists, only to make an immediate left turn, forcing the cyclists to brake. Instead, these motorists should be patient, and keep behind the cyclists.
Allowing cyclists to ride abreast in groups (on multi-lane roads) would enhance the visibility of cyclists and discourage dangerous overtaking manoeuvres. These groups would simulate a "slow-moving vehicle". However, cyclists should also be considerate and stay in one unit as a "vehicle".
I have seen vehicles safely overtaking a group of cyclists, only to have these cyclists "split up" and "reform" in front of the same vehicle whenever there is a slowdown in traffic speed.

Cyclists should also refrain from hogging an entire lane during peak-hour traffic, and the authorities should consider regulating this.
Any attempts to shape behaviour on our roads should be geared towards the safety of cyclists.
That being said, responsible motorists should not be unduly penalised when errant cyclists get hurt or killed as a result of their own carelessness or recklessness.
The majority of Singaporean cyclists are considerate and safe. There are, however, cyclists who do not adhere to the regulations.
These cyclists may be seen cycling (often abreast) against single-lane one-way traffic on Tyersall Avenue (just before Gallop Road), posing a danger to themselves and other road users.
Despite formal complaints, the authorities have been unable to address this issue adequately.

Kevin Sng

 

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Quote: "There are, however, cyclists who do not adhere to the regulations....Despite formal complaints, the authorities have been unable to address this issue adequately."

That, from the motorists' point of view, is the bane of motorists.

Forum: Being considerate to fellow road users is key to safety​

Oct 5, 2021

I applaud the recent recommendations made by the Active Mobility Advisory Panel (Amap) to improve safety around on-road cycling (Review panel seeks limit of 10 on-road bicycles in a group, Oct 2).
Being considerate to fellow road users and exercising common sense would be a sustainable long-term strategy. One does not have to break any law to be deemed inconsiderate.
Singapore motorists should exercise due consideration when they see cyclists in a single file ahead of them.
I have witnessed cars overtaking such cyclists, only to make an immediate left turn, forcing the cyclists to brake. Instead, these motorists should be patient, and keep behind the cyclists.
Allowing cyclists to ride abreast in groups (on multi-lane roads) would enhance the visibility of cyclists and discourage dangerous overtaking manoeuvres. These groups would simulate a "slow-moving vehicle". However, cyclists should also be considerate and stay in one unit as a "vehicle".
I have seen vehicles safely overtaking a group of cyclists, only to have these cyclists "split up" and "reform" in front of the same vehicle whenever there is a slowdown in traffic speed.

Cyclists should also refrain from hogging an entire lane during peak-hour traffic, and the authorities should consider regulating this.
Any attempts to shape behaviour on our roads should be geared towards the safety of cyclists.
That being said, responsible motorists should not be unduly penalised when errant cyclists get hurt or killed as a result of their own carelessness or recklessness.
The majority of Singaporean cyclists are considerate and safe. There are, however, cyclists who do not adhere to the regulations.
These cyclists may be seen cycling (often abreast) against single-lane one-way traffic on Tyersall Avenue (just before Gallop Road), posing a danger to themselves and other road users.
Despite formal complaints, the authorities have been unable to address this issue adequately.

Kevin Sng

The logistics involved to enforce these rules will be staggering.

And ultimately no motorists are injured by cyclists . Never ever . Never will be.

All these rubbish rules are just to placate the motorists . That's all.

Things will remain the same . Except motorists have one more thing to worry about now : the 1.5m safe distance.

Whooopeeeee

 

[Leongsam]

The logistics involved to enforce these rules will be staggering.

And ultimately no motorists are injured by cyclists . Never ever . Never will be.

All these rubbish rules are just to placate the motorists . That's all.

Things will remain the same . Except motorists have one more thing to worry about now : the 1.5m safe distance.

Whooopeeeee

I gather you are a cyclist. Roadie, commuter or off road or a combination of all?

 

[porcaputtana]

I gather you are a cyclist. Roadie, commuter or off road or a combination of all?

Pure roadie . SL7 and SRAM red.

Don't like SRAM . Hoping to try the new Dura Ace.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

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The tyranny of the self entitled retards continues​

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Cyclist harasses motorists at Serangoon roundabout, smacks vehicles while hurling vulgarities​

At the beginning of the video, the cyclist, who had his mask tucked under his chin, was seen tailgating a vehicle while shouting loudly. When the man caught up with the car, he slapped the rear passenger window.
Photo: Taken from Google Maps



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Singapore – A cyclist was spotted chasing motorists, smacking their vehicles and hurling vulgarities at a roundabout in Serangoon on Thursday (Sept 30).
The incident was caught on video, involving a man on a bicycle, following vehicles at the busy Serangoon Garden Way roundabout at around 8 pm.
At the beginning of the video, the cyclist, who had his mask tucked under his chin, was seen tailgating a vehicle while shouting loudly.
When the man caught up with the car, he slapped the rear passenger window.
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He then hurled vulgarities while circling the roundabout.
The witness who recorded the scene thought initially that the man had a dispute to settle with his target vehicle.
However, after watching him for a while, the witness realised the man was doing it randomly.
“At first, I thought the man was following a car because it almost hit him,” the witness said to Stomp.
“I then realised that he was randomly picking cars as he did it again to a second car. He was screaming at the car, pointing at it and even smacked its door, as seen in the video.
“This is so dangerous as it’s a roundabout. He might easily get hit by a car by following behind random vehicles.”
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In response to the news, members from the online community wondered if something could be done regarding errant cyclists as the incidents involving them are rising.
“More and more such errant cyclists. Why can’t someone do something to arrest these nuisance people?” asked Facebook user Joshua Oh.
“They are seriously making the name bad for those good cyclists. Help us to help you, please.”
“Why always this particular group of person making our road so messy huh,” added another netizen.
“The penalties for drink cycling should be the same as for drink driving,” Facebook user Lawrence Soh suggested./TISG

 

[Hypocrite-The]

‘Bicycle… so mind your own business’ says food delivery rider after getting called out for beating red light​

Members from the online community highlighted the need for licence plates to track down errant cyclists like this one.
Photo: FB screengrab/ROADS.sg



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Singapore ― I am on a “bicycle, so mind your own business,” said a food delivery rider to a vehicle driver who called him out for beating a red light.
A food delivery rider was caught on camera giving a motorist a defensive reply for breaking the law.
Facebook page ROADS.sg uploaded a video of the incident which happened along Mayflower Avenue on Sunday (Sept 19).
A vehicle was spotted slowing down at a red light as it approached a pedestrian crossing. Two elderly individuals proceeded to cross the road.
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Soon after, a GrabFood delivery rider passed by, disregarding the red light.

Photo: FB screengrab/ROADS.sg
After catching up to the rider at a junction, the vehicle driver was heard telling the rider, “red light, red light.”
“Yeah, so?” the rider responded.
“Red light, you need to stop because we are on the road,” the driver explained.
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“Bicycle, so?” the rider continued.
The driver told the rider that he could take his licence plate and report him to the police if he wanted.
“You just mind your own business,” said the rider.
Members from the online community highlighted the need for licence plates to track down errant cyclists like this one.
“If this was an errant driver beating red light with licence plate captured, we have some level of confidence that action will be taken against the driver by the authority,” said Facebook user Andy Lee.

“But in this case, totally untraceable, nothing will be done. The self-entitled cyclist will continue doing this, endanger himself and others until something happens one day. That’s why it’s so infuriating.”
“Saw this kind of example all the time,” shared Facebook user Joseph Fu.
He recalled one occasion where two food delivery riders were behind one another at a traffic light. “The one behind actually told the one in front ‘eh, scared ah? Red light, you stop for what? Just go la.’ He starts pushing against the front rider rear tyre,” said Mr Fu.
Netizens urged the driver to report the incident to deter other riders.
“Seems like a direct fine the delivery companies could be a possible way to manage this,” said Facebook user Jonathan Yap.
Meanwhile, others noted they have tried educating riders in the past to no avail.
“Bicycle mentality can transform to be pedestrian and transform back to road user again, so either way is a green like to them. They are hybrid road users,” a netizen explained. /TISG

 

[porcaputtana]

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The tyranny of the self entitled retards continues​

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Cyclist harasses motorists at Serangoon roundabout, smacks vehicles while hurling vulgarities​

At the beginning of the video, the cyclist, who had his mask tucked under his chin, was seen tailgating a vehicle while shouting loudly. When the man caught up with the car, he slapped the rear passenger window.
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Singapore – A cyclist was spotted chasing motorists, smacking their vehicles and hurling vulgarities at a roundabout in Serangoon on Thursday (Sept 30).
The incident was caught on video, involving a man on a bicycle, following vehicles at the busy Serangoon Garden Way roundabout at around 8 pm.
At the beginning of the video, the cyclist, who had his mask tucked under his chin, was seen tailgating a vehicle while shouting loudly.
When the man caught up with the car, he slapped the rear passenger window.
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He then hurled vulgarities while circling the roundabout.
The witness who recorded the scene thought initially that the man had a dispute to settle with his target vehicle.
However, after watching him for a while, the witness realised the man was doing it randomly.
“At first, I thought the man was following a car because it almost hit him,” the witness said to Stomp.
“I then realised that he was randomly picking cars as he did it again to a second car. He was screaming at the car, pointing at it and even smacked its door, as seen in the video.
“This is so dangerous as it’s a roundabout. He might easily get hit by a car by following behind random vehicles.”
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In response to the news, members from the online community wondered if something could be done regarding errant cyclists as the incidents involving them are rising.
“More and more such errant cyclists. Why can’t someone do something to arrest these nuisance people?” asked Facebook user Joshua Oh.
“They are seriously making the name bad for those good cyclists. Help us to help you, please.”
“Why always this particular group of person making our road so messy huh,” added another netizen.
“The penalties for drink cycling should be the same as for drink driving,” Facebook user Lawrence Soh suggested./TISG

give it a rest buddy
government decided to sell you down the river already

tough tits

 

[Leongsam]

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The tyranny of the self entitled retards continues​

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Cyclist harasses motorists at Serangoon roundabout, smacks vehicles while hurling vulgarities​

At the beginning of the video, the cyclist, who had his mask tucked under his chin, was seen tailgating a vehicle while shouting loudly. When the man caught up with the car, he slapped the rear passenger window.
Photo: Taken from Google Maps



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Hana O
DATE
October 3, 2021


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Singapore – A cyclist was spotted chasing motorists, smacking their vehicles and hurling vulgarities at a roundabout in Serangoon on Thursday (Sept 30).
The incident was caught on video, involving a man on a bicycle, following vehicles at the busy Serangoon Garden Way roundabout at around 8 pm.
At the beginning of the video, the cyclist, who had his mask tucked under his chin, was seen tailgating a vehicle while shouting loudly.
When the man caught up with the car, he slapped the rear passenger window.
- Advertisement 1-
He then hurled vulgarities while circling the roundabout.
The witness who recorded the scene thought initially that the man had a dispute to settle with his target vehicle.
However, after watching him for a while, the witness realised the man was doing it randomly.
“At first, I thought the man was following a car because it almost hit him,” the witness said to Stomp.
“I then realised that he was randomly picking cars as he did it again to a second car. He was screaming at the car, pointing at it and even smacked its door, as seen in the video.
“This is so dangerous as it’s a roundabout. He might easily get hit by a car by following behind random vehicles.”
- Advertisement 2-

In response to the news, members from the online community wondered if something could be done regarding errant cyclists as the incidents involving them are rising.
“More and more such errant cyclists. Why can’t someone do something to arrest these nuisance people?” asked Facebook user Joshua Oh.
“They are seriously making the name bad for those good cyclists. Help us to help you, please.”
“Why always this particular group of person making our road so messy huh,” added another netizen.
“The penalties for drink cycling should be the same as for drink driving,” Facebook user Lawrence Soh suggested./TISG

Serves the motorist right for driving without due care and consideration.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Road users should beware,,,the cycling retards can now legally cause problems..pedestrains will be fucked too,,,

Road cycling: Up to 5 cyclists in single file, 30m safe distance between groups among advisory panel’s recommendations

By JUSTIN ONG
Published OCTOBER 01, 2021
Updated OCTOBER 01, 2021
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Among the recommendations is that cyclists using the roads keep to a maximum of five in a single file or 10 when riding two abreast.
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An advisory panel has recommended that road cyclists keep to a group of five in a single file or 10 when riding two abreast
It also suggested that groups of cyclists maintain a safe distance of about 30m between one another
Motorists should also stay at least 1.5m from cyclists when passing them, the panel said
It does not recommend the registration of bicycles and licensing of cyclists for now
The recommendations were submitted to the Government on Oct 1 and came as more take up cycling in the pandemic


SINGAPORE — An advisory panel reviewing the rules for active mobility devices such as bicycles has recommended that cyclists using the roads keep to a maximum of five in a single file or 10 when riding two abreast, and that groups of cyclists keep a safe distance of about 30m apart — the equivalent of two lamp posts.

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These were among the rules and guidelines set out in the Active Mobility Advisory Panel's latest report, which was submitted to Transport Minister S Iswaran on Friday (Oct 1). A copy of the report was posted on the Land Transport Authority’s website.

The panel, set up in 2015 to look into rules governing mobility vehicles, bicycles and other equipment, also recommended that motorists stay at least 1.5m from cyclists when they pass them on the roads.

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The panel said, however, that it does not recommend the registration of bicycles and licensing cyclists for now, despite some calls — predominantly from motorists — to do so.

Such regimes would be “overly onerous on the cyclists, resource-intensive and operationally challenging to implement”, it said.

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“There is little evidence that such measures would be effective in enhancing road safety and deterring errant cycling. The panel notes that there is limited support for such regimes from its consultations.”

The panel studied ways to strengthen road safety, improve etiquette and encourage harmonious interactions among all road users.

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This was done through focus-group discussions with stakeholders such as motorists and cyclists, as well as through studying the findings of a public survey by government feedback unit Reach.

Here are the panel’s recommendations:

1. Introduce a rule for cyclists to limit their group length to five bicycles

This means that up to five cyclists can ride in a single file, or up to 10 when riding two abreast, on the roads.

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Right now, cyclists may ride in the formation of two abreast on the leftmost lanes of roads with two lanes or more.

The recommendation is so that road cyclists may continue riding in groups for safety and visibility, while avoiding causing obstruction and inconvenience to other road users.

Potential safety concerns such as motorists weaving through large groups can also be avoided, the panel said.

“The maximum length of five bicycles was derived by taking reference from the length of a large vehicle such as a public bus,” it added.

For groups that exceed the limits of five cyclists in a single file or 10 when riding two abreast, they must split up into two or more groups.

Even so, the panel said that there should be some administrative flexibility in enforcement, such as when cyclists transit between multi-lane and single-lane roads, where riding abreast is not allowed.

The panel said that any Covid-19 infection controls, such as restrictions on group sizes, will take priority over these recommendations.

2. Introduce a guideline in the Highway Code and driving-test handbooks for motorists to keep a minimum distance of 1.5m between vehicles and cyclists when passing them

The panel noted that the Highway Code states that motorists should keep a “margin of safety” when passing cyclists, though it does not prescribe a specific distance.

It is thus recommending a gap of at least 1.5m between vehicles and bicycles.

“This enhancement is important, given that cyclists are the more vulnerable users on roads.”

The panel added that cyclists should also do their part by keeping a safe distance from vehicles.

3. Introduce a guideline for groups of cyclists to keep a safe distance of around two lamp posts (or about 30m)

This is to ensure groups maintain a safe distance between one another and allow ample space for overtaking vehicles, the panel said.

4. Continue allowing cyclists to ride two abreast on roads with two or more lanes

This is unchanged from before.

Cyclists will also continue to be required to ride in a single file on single-lane roads and in bus lanes during operating hours, which are from 7.30am to 9.30am and 5pm to 8pm on weekdays.

Full-day bus lanes run from 7.30am to 11pm between Mondays and Saturdays.

“Riding two abreast on roads helps to improve cyclists’ safety by increasing their visibility to motorists,” said the panel.

As not all road users may be aware of these rules, the panel recommended that the Government highlight them in public communication and education materials to heighten awareness.

INCREASED INTEREST IN CYCLING

The Covid-19 pandemic has led more people to take up cycling and other active mobility modes of transport.

The panel said that this has spawned “growing concerns about road safety and tensions between different groups of road users”.

TODAY reported earlier this year on the increasing tensions between cyclists and other road users. There have also been more complaints about dangerous drivers and errant cyclists making their rounds on social media.

The Government said in April that the panel would be reviewing the infrastructure for cycling as well as the road behaviour and possible legislation and enforcement of cyclists on the roads.

In a Facebook post on Friday, Associate Professor Muhammad Faishal Ibrahim, who chairs the Active Mobility Advisory Panel, said that road safety was a shared responsibility among all road users.

“We hope to see more public education efforts to enhance awareness and clarity of existing rules and regulations among different road users,” said Assoc Prof Faishal, who is also Minister of State for Home Affairs and National Development.

The panel said that the recommendations, if accepted by the Government, should be rolled out as soon as possible while factoring in a “transition period” to raise public awareness and improve clarity on new rules and guidelines before enforcement starts.
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...distance-between-groups-among-advisory-panels

 

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