Retire in China?

[essen]

Hello essen, try applying for Tourist Visa (L Visa) - 24 months Multiple Entry for for sightseeing or visiting family members or friends or for other personal affairs.

thanks for the info

 

[neddy]

Why would anyone want to settle down in China. The local bully, provincial gangster and the central mafia enough to make life difficult.

Go to a place when the laws works and you do not need to be alert all the time; from crossing the road to checking whether the watermelon you bought will explode or not.


Any idea exactly how much does it cost to apply for a Chinese citizenship?
I know it is an exorbitant amount!

 

[koala88]

Why would anyone want to settle down in China. The local bully, provincial gangster and the central mafia enough to make life difficult.

Go to a place when the laws works and you do not need to be alert all the time; from crossing the road to checking whether the watermelon you bought will explode or not.


Any idea exactly how much does it cost to apply for a Chinese citizenship?
I know it is an exorbitant amount!

Hi neddy, don't think settling in China is as bad as it is made up to be. There are many who finds living in China a pleasant experience.

Also, there is a massive PRC returnees going back to contribute in their little own way to the motherland.

Don't think Chinese citizenship is available for sale. I am very interested in it too.

 

[Ash007]

Indeed, it also depends on where you stay. It is always worthwhile to be "connected" in china before settling there. Things works differently there. I suppose getting a wife there would be quickiest way to settle there.

Hi neddy, don't think settling in China is as bad as it is made up to be. There are many who finds living in China a pleasant experience.

Also, there is a massive PRC returnees going back to contribute in their little own way to the motherland.

Don't think Chinese citizenship is available for sale. I am very interested in it too.

 

[neddy]

Hi neddy, don't think settling in China is as bad as it is made up to be. There are many who finds living in China a pleasant experience.

Also, there is a massive PRC returnees going back to contribute in their little own way to the motherland.

Don't think Chinese citizenship is available for sale. I am very interested in it too.

Which cities do you think is livable in China?

Frankly, I am still not impressed with China. I have got my fingers burnt there once. It is fine if you are borned in the PRC and find western countries culturally too different. I have Chinese people who want to return but the cost of getting back their citizenship is too expensive.

Maybe I find my current living too relaxed, and I am enjoying fresh air, open space and good diet.

I have to be more alert in China just to live daily. Driving sucks, people drive like there is no brakes and only horns. Imported products too expensive. A lot of things do not work properly. Too many fake stuff, the latest being fake mooncakes.

3rd tier cities property bust is spreading to 2nd tier cities.
1st tier cities are too expensive.

Demographics - Just see how many places are looking for staff, but the pay they are offering can only attract migrant workers who are not coming because it is too expensive to live and earn that kind of pay.

The aging time-bomb will unleash within the next decade.

This is a one party state that control the flow of information, tell lies outright and you are obliged to do your duties (esp if you want your business running).

There is no rule of laws. It is OK to confiscate and torture the rich and it is within acceptable laws to share the spoils of confiscatre wealth.

I have witness accounts of barbarian mobs trashing businesses with Japanese names.

It is not the usual kind of country to live peacefully in.

If we leave our guard down, overseas Chinese are sweet-talked and milked. Singaporeans are favourite targets because they love been sweet-talked and believe everything.

 

[Ash007]

Hah, good assessment for the average PRC in china. Have you seen how the rich lives in China though? Like you said, there is no rule of laws, anything can be done.

Which cities do you think is livable in China?

Frankly, I am still not impressed with China. I have got my fingers burnt there once. It is fine if you are borned in the PRC and find western countries culturally too different. I have Chinese people who want to return but the cost of getting back their citizenship is too expensive.

Maybe I find my current living too relaxed, and I am enjoying fresh air, open space and good diet.

I have to be more alert in China just to live daily. Driving sucks, people drive like there is no brakes and only horns. Imported products too expensive. A lot of things do not work properly. Too many fake stuff, the latest being fake mooncakes.

3rd tier cities property bust is spreading to 2nd tier cities.
1st tier cities are too expensive.

Demographics - Just see how many places are looking for staff, but the pay they are offering can only attract migrant workers who are not coming because it is too expensive to live and earn that kind of pay.

The aging time-bomb will unleash within the next decade.

This is a one party state that control the flow of information, tell lies outright and you are obliged to do your duties (esp if you want your business running).

There is no rule of laws. It is OK to confiscate and torture the rich and it is within acceptable laws to share the spoils of confiscatre wealth.

I have witness accounts of barbarian mobs trashing businesses with Japanese names.

It is not the usual kind of country to live peacefully in.

If we leave our guard down, overseas Chinese are sweet-talked and milked. Singaporeans are favourite targets because they love been sweet-talked and believe everything.

 

[neddy]

Hah, good assessment for the average PRC in china. Have you seen how the rich lives in China though? Like you said, there is no rule of laws, anything can be done.

I have seen the 5000RMB/month average type.
Perhaps you can tell me how those rich live.
I am not used to living like Emperor.

 

[Ash007]

Check out the many gated communities springing up around the 1st tier cities. Its a BMW minimum in these places and it puts the North shores to shame with some of the houses there.

I have seen the 5000RMB/month average type.
Perhaps you can tell me how those rich live.
I am not used to living like Emperor.

 

[neddy]

Check out the many gated communities springing up around the 1st tier cities. Its a BMW minimum in these places and it puts the North shores to shame with some of the houses there.

I see what you mean.

But people like me with attitude problem cannot live in a community.
Esp surrounded by crooks.
How?
I do not appreciate the drunk princling-wannabe BMW hit a $300,000RMB Audi I wanted to buy. Maybe I should get a Japan Toyota and change the logo to "Shanghai People Santana" brand.

I prefer those simple houses in Northbridge Sydney.

At leaset I will not hear the gate security guard do the Grrrrr... Pui duty. (I also get more phlegm in China, so i also perform the same public duty )
or the horrible drain smell coming from the luxury gardens. (You know I am a part-time farmer)

comes with a BMW ?

 

[Ash007]

Indeed, bro, I won't want to live in china either even if I can afford to stay at a place like this. The environment is just different. When I was there I notice how bad the air quality is, you don't get to appreciate how well the environment is till you go to places like china.

I see what you mean.

But people like me with attitude problem cannot live in a community.
Esp surrounded by crooks.
How?
I do not appreciate the drunk princling-wannabe BMW hit a $300,000RMB Audi I wanted to buy. Maybe I should get a Japan Toyota and change the logo to "Shanghai People Santana" brand.

I prefer those simple houses in Northbridge Sydney.

At leaset I will not hear the gate security guard do the Grrrrr... Pui duty. (I also get more phlegm in China, so i also perform the same public duty )
or the horrible drain smell coming from the luxury gardens. (You know I am a part-time farmer)

comes with a BMW ?

 

[neddy]

Indeed, bro, I won't want to live in china either even if I can afford to stay at a place like this. The environment is just different. When I was there I notice how bad the air quality is, you don't get to appreciate how well the environment is till you go to places like china.

It is the people's choice where they want to live.

I would have expected the poor in China to have a better standard of living after years of high economic growth. But a lot of wealth are accumulated in the cadres and their mates' pockets.

But there has always been a "urban" and "rural" China, with different standards of living.

In this aspect, I thought Japan and Singapore did a better job because there was an emphasis in equality during the economic development cycle. China has peaked, both economically and demographically.

I was shocked at reports of the resurgent of Maoists ("rural") and the condemnation of the reformers ("urban") in China. With the world economic growth slowing for the coming decade and with high overcapacity of this "world factory", achieving high growth to mask corruption will no longer be possible.

Also local provincial govts are not reforming and diversifying their revenue systems and support the people (except in parts of Guangzhou)

The economic stimulus unleashed in 2008 was wasted - too many white elephant projects and $ were wasted in overseas casinos.

It is not that long ago when China was in political turmoil. And the CCP has few effective ways to keep harmony - their blunt methods of controlling such a huge population always affect the peoples' lives greatly.

China is an expect at propaganda and calling our bluff. Underneath the clam exterior is a venomous serpent.

 

[HotDogWater]

Yup. The Japanese did a much better job than the Chinese in economic development. Even Naha, Okinawa, which got returned to Japan in 1972, is a decent place and looks just the same as those capitals of those prefectures that doesn't include populous cities like Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, etc. It did not seem to be a neglected child at all.

However, for China, a lot of the cities pale in comparison as there is no economic equality. There is no doubt about the Chinese wealth, but they are all centered in the red aristocrats in Beijing and Shanghai. The rest of the regions are still far behind and as you say, have peaked. Look at all those officials' children, able to migrate to the US and OZ, study there and live in houses that are much bigger than the average American Joe.

If the Chinese masses knew how much money had been siphoned off the state by these CCP officials, they will go on a mob rampage.

 

[banglat]

Retiring in China is a reasonable idea and i have been thinking anout it even though retirement is still quite far off. Stay away from the big cities and you Singapore dollar can bring you a long way.

 

[Fook Seng]

Yup. The Japanese did a much better job than the Chinese in economic development.

Yes accumulated development but not in the last twenty years. It has been downhill or flat. That is why you hear more of Korea than of Japan.

 

[BicycleChain]

China is so large, need to pin-point the exact province.

 

[neddy]

Japan is suffering from its property bubble meltdown. Like USA today, it is unwilling to bite the bitter pill but instead, bailout its weakest institutions.

How long has USA being having 0% interest?

S Korea also has its property bubble, but the greatest property bubble in the world today must be China.

Somewhere, the CCP has to find money to bailout their trouble.

But back to Japan, the population is getting older, the country is middle-age now, waiting for retirement. Korea is still young, energic and creative.

If the Chinese masses knew how much money had been siphoned off the state by these CCP officials, they will go on a mob rampage.

Overseas Chinese have been "generous" in the past.
Eg
1. Building Suzhou Industrial Park
2. Rebuild LiJiang, Sichuan after earthquake
3. Pay for Beijing Olympics

Singaporeans uncles and aunties have been particularly generous in contributing money to Teng-sua. Every trip they made, they never fail to return with silk blankets, jade, pearl and tons of medications and other overpriced magic products.

Sometimes, filial sons and daughters dragged along to the holidays and help bail them out when they buy too much. I am an example. To keep them happy, spend money to prevent bad luck from the red politics!

The strange thing is that even when observant overseas Chinese from (US, UK and Canada) smell a rat on the sales tactics and try to hint to the Singaporeans, they fall on deaf ears. Keep the senior citizens away from China tours!!. Or 100% of Singaporeans will have silk blankets stored away somewhere in the house

Singaporeans and PRC seems to have something in common. Easy to con. Just give them a little benefits in return and they will be happy. No protest.

The PRC govt is evil! So, migrate there at your risk!

An Australian businessman has been sentenced to 14-and-a-half years jail in China.

Both the severity of the punishment and even that the sentence was announced today have come as a shock to the family of Matthew Ng.

In the southern city of Guangzhou, the Australian businessman was found guilty of embezzlement, corruption, bribery and falsifying records.

He has been sentenced to 14-and-a-half years but will only serve 13 years in prison because the court granted him a year-and-a-half for what is described as "mercy".

Ng was arrested last year after a commercial dispute with Chinese state-owned travel company Lignan.

He had bought shares in Lignan but after the shares' value went up the company said they wanted to buy them back at their original value.

When Ng refused it lead to a dispute with the company.

 

[HotDogWater]

Yes accumulated development but not in the last twenty years. It has been downhill or flat. That is why you hear more of Korea than of Japan.

Agreed. The Japanese seems to be running out of steam due to the pork-barrel projects done by the LDP during their 50 years reign. One can only hope that Korea does not go the same way as Japan. Korea of now reminds me of Japan during their 70s heydays.

 

[HotDogWater]

Japan is suffering from its property bubble meltdown. Like USA today, it is unwilling to bite the bitter pill but instead, bailout its weakest institutions.

How long has USA being having 0% interest?

S Korea also has its property bubble, but the greatest property bubble in the world today must be China.

Somewhere, the CCP has to find money to bailout their trouble.

But back to Japan, the population is getting older, the country is middle-age now, waiting for retirement. Korea is still young, energic and creative.



Overseas Chinese have been "generous" in the past.
Eg
1. Building Suzhou Industrial Park
2. Rebuild LiJiang, Sichuan after earthquake
3. Pay for Beijing Olympics

Singaporeans uncles and aunties have been particularly generous in contributing money to Teng-sua. Every trip they made, they never fail to return with silk blankets, jade, pearl and tons of medications and other overpriced magic products.

Sometimes, filial sons and daughters dragged along to the holidays and help bail them out when they buy too much. I am an example. To keep them happy, spend money to prevent bad luck from the red politics!

The strange thing is that even when observant overseas Chinese from (US, UK and Canada) smell a rat on the sales tactics and try to hint to the Singaporeans, they fall on deaf ears. Keep the senior citizens away from China tours!!. Or 100% of Singaporeans will have silk blankets stored away somewhere in the house

Singaporeans and PRC seems to have something in common. Easy to con. Just give them a little benefits in return and they will be happy. No protest.

The PRC govt is evil! So, migrate there at your risk!

Shrinking population seems to be a problem in the countries of East Asia. Taiwan, China, Japan and Korea are in the lower-tier of producing babies. It is due to our pragmatic mindset. Not enough money to take care of ourselves and parents comfortably, so better not have children. At least, it is more responsible than those Malays or Arabs who produce lots of babies but strain the social syste.

Korea is an interesting experiment. Right now, it is similar to the boom of Japan in the 1970s. Now is to see whether the Korean government will learn the lessons from Japan and not be the next one. But its sad though, Seoul is really very competitive. The competition in Singapore seems slightly more relaxed than Seoul, where there are too many grads and thus causing a job vacuum on the lower-end jobs.

I have never bought the idea of going back to China to visit my hometown ancestral place. It is phoney and I believe my 'relatives' are more interested to see my cash than the person itself. That said, China has other beautiful spots to look for.

 

[neddy]

It is phoney and I believe my 'relatives' are more interested to see my cash than the person itself. That said, China has other beautiful spots to look for.

Tours are good. Return to be a serf or your relatives 'hero' - your choice.
Jiuzhaiguo new "tunneltastic" road opening soon, cut travel time.


Japan peaked in the late 1960s, and still grew in the 1970s (slower), followed by "bubble" growth until the Plaza Accord.
You can tell by visiting the buildings in the country. So 1970s

S Korea will hit the global road bump soon. (Predicted by some economists)

 

[DelphiGOD]

There're more and more documentaries on China and the travel show Travelogue is a very interesting show to watch and I've watched every episodes of the series.