Pope Francis says migrants are ‘like Jesus, forced to flee’

[whoami]

What do you mean by daylight robbery? What wrong with the Jews reclaiming their ah gong's land?

Maybe, it could have been done better as the descendants of the arabs who migrated over have lived in the land for many centuries. Land allocation and re distribution could have been settled differently, For future generations of both side, moving forwards should be PEACE! A few arab countries already for peace.

All along Arabs and Jews were working side by side in Palestine (before 1948). Occasionally some scuffles here and tere. But its just routine working earning a living. Then come evil US/UK with their zionist ideology. Backstabbed the Arabs. The rest is history. Day light robbery. Those few Arab countries have peace treaties with present "Israel"...why am i surprise? Munafiks. Plentyof them in Islamic world today.

 

[whoami]

IMAMS from other muslim major countries even more violence and intolerance in their speeches, Middle East, Europe, US, Canada, Australia, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan....

If US and western allies mind their own, this world will be a safer place. Million and million of deaths caused by US. How about those orphans? Where are they going to seek justice? If the victims were ur parents, relatives, children....do u just keep quiet and wank urself in silent?

 

[duluxe]

Plse lah. Grow up lah. Even my 10 yr old nephew doesnt talk like u. Just cos one Malay cheated u money, u generalise all Malays. I also been cheated by Ah neh and Ah beng. How? Do i condemn all of them? Just open ur eyes before lending money lah. I always mentioned Islam is worldwide popu almost 2 billion. Not easy to have all heads agree on certain dos and donts. Yes, i am well aware. Some foreign mosques do have sermons on hate speech. I am not surprise. Look at how DAP behave towards the Malays. And mind u DAP majority are xtians. So rest is history.

Read what i wrote careful. I said I have many m&d friends. That incident most of the m&ds in my office on my side against 1 m&d, common m&ds are nice people orang hati baik. You can't interpret my simple english correct, how can you interpret the Quran correctly with its ancient typo errors and not really the original recording?

I have one minah ex-colleague still on whatsapp contact occassionally. When she went for oversea business trips to non muslims countries, she would take off her tudung. She confided with me that she dares not post her photos without tudung on facebook, she cannot take the community pressure. Her aunties could come nagging at her. But back in the '90, her aunties were not on hijab. I remember back then, only about 20% on tudung mostly nenek tua.

 

[duluxe]

Again nothing to do with islam. Some verses may sound violent was cos during the prophet's time. War era. Hypocrites and enemies of Islam were plentiful. Either u kill ur enemies or u be killed. Simple as tat

1. Islam is not spread by WORD but by the sword
2. How do you justify raping of female war captives?
3. 2020 and 1400 years ago, Islam is still the religion with the most enemies.
4, Maybe some infidels were enemies of Muhammed. But not all the infidels in the world were/are enemies, how do you justify killing of infidels?
5. Some killings committed by the prophet were defensive, some were offensive. How you you justified offensive killing? Right or wrong?

 

[whoami]

Read what i wrote careful. I said I have many m&d friends. That incident most of the m&ds in my office on my side against 1 m&d, common m&ds are nice people orang hati baik. You can't interpret my simple english correct, how can you interpret the Quran correctly with its ancient typo errors and not really the original recording?

I have one minah ex-colleague still on whatsapp contact occassionally. When she went for oversea business trips to non muslims countries, she would take off her tudung. She confided with me that she dares not post her photos without tudung on facebook, she cannot take the community pressure. Her aunties could come nagging at her. But back in the '90, her aunties were not on hijab. I remember back then, only about 20% on tudung mostly nenek tua.

I know u have lots of Malay friends. Only one cheated u. Not all. So wats ur point of highlighting it? Kau ni dol.

So u have a minah. So u telling me her problem? U ni betul dol. Am i supp to answer for her deeds in her grave n hereafter? Can take or cant take pressure wats tat got to do with anyone? Rem we nid Allah swt. Not the other way round. Wat her aunty did is right. Need to correct her ignorance n educate her. If shes my daug i will not let her go out with u. I will monitor her movement

 

[whoami]

1. Islam is not spread by WORD but by the sword
2. How do you justify raping of female war captives?
3. 2020 and 1400 years ago, Islam is still the religion with the most enemies.
4, Maybe some infidels were enemies of Muhammed. But not all the infidels in the world were/are enemies, how do you justify killing of infidels?
5. Some killings committed by the prophet were defensive, some were offensive. How you you justified offensive killing? Right or wrong?

1. Nope. But xtianity spread by the killg by massacrg. Look at ME. If Islam is spread by the sword, tere wont be any Buddhist, Hindus, Others in Indon, Msia, Brunei, Turkey etc etc.
2. Hw do u justify tons of killing captives, raping young gals as mentioned in ur bible?
3. Xtian US n Western powers killg of million innocents, destruction of homes, causing poverty, refugees, orphans. Tats y US/ west have enemies
4. As mentioned in the Quran Muslims will only retaliate on self defence. If kafir or even "muslims" attack or invade my country i cant kip still.
5. Hw do u explain:

Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

How do u justify justified offensive massacring? Right or wrong?

 

[syed putra]

I have one minah ex-colleague still on whatsapp contact occassionally. When she went for oversea business trips to non muslims countries, she would take off her tudung. She confided with me that she dares not post her photos without tudung on facebook, she cannot take the community pressure. Her aunties could come nagging at her. But back in the '90, her aunties were not on hijab. I remember back then, only about 20% on tudung mostly nenek tua.

Wearing tudung is not obligatory. The right attire is that it should be decent.

 

[syed putra]

1. Islam is not spread by WORD but by the sword
2. How do you justify raping of female war captives?
3. 2020 and 1400 years ago, Islam is still the religion with the most enemies.
4, Maybe some infidels were enemies of Muhammed. But not all the infidels in the world were/are enemies, how do you justify killing of infidels?
5. Some killings committed by the prophet were defensive, some were offensive. How you you justified offensive killing? Right or wrong?

You forgot WW1 and WWII where Islam is not involved except turkey. Tens of millions perished. Vietnam war, korean war. War among European states,

 

[whoami]

Wearing tudung is not obligatory. The right attire is that it should be decent.

Its obligatory! Which KJV bible are u using?

وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاء بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاء بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُوْلِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَى عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاء وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ ﴿٣١﴾

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband´s fathers, their sons, their husbands´ sons, their brothers or their brothers´ sons, or their sisters´ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

 

[duluxe]

You forgot WW1 and WWII where Islam is not involved except turkey. Tens of millions perished. Vietnam war, korean war. War among European states,

More lives were taken during korean war itself, he only made noise for middle east muslim countries. I find US a big busy body everywhere in the world.

More tibetan buddhists are oppressed by china communist regime, he made noise only for uighurs.

 

[duluxe]

You forgot WW1 and WWII where Islam is not involved except turkey. Tens of millions perished. Vietnam war, korean war. War among European states,

More lives were taken during korean war itself, he only made noise for middle east muslim countries. I find US a big busy body everywhere in the world.

More tibetan buddhists are oppressed by china communist regime, he made noise only for uighurs.

 

[duluxe]

Wearing tudung is not obligatory. The right attire is that it should be decent.

No obligatory was in the past. Only very recently, muslims discovered a verse in the koran they believe mandated hijab and lowering of gaze. How to fulfil lower of gaze from unrelated men in the modern work space. It is better for minahs to stay at home.

The word ḥijāb in the Quran refers not to women's clothing, but rather a spatial partition or curtain.[7] Sometimes its use is literal, as in the verse which refers to the screen that separated Muhammad's wives from the visitors to his house (33:53), while in other cases the word denotes separation between deity and mortals (42:51), wrongdoers and righteous (7:46, 41:5), believers and unbelievers (17:45), and light from darkness (38:32).[7]

The interpretations of the ḥijāb as separation can be classified into three types: as visual barrier, physical barrier, and ethical barrier. A visual barrier (for example, between Muhammad's family and the surrounding community) serves to hide from sight something, which places emphasis on a symbolic boundary. A physical barrier is used to create a space that provides comfort and privacy for individuals, such as elite women. An ethical barrier, such as the expression purity of hearts in reference to Muhammad's wives and the Muslim men who visit them, makes something forbidden

 

[syed putra]

Its obligatory! Which KJV bible are u using?

وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاء بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاء بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُوْلِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَى عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاء وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ ﴿٣١﴾

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband´s fathers, their sons, their husbands´ sons, their brothers or their brothers´ sons, or their sisters´ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

Reply to those who claim that a Muslim woman should be covered except for her face:











Many Muslim scholars have invented extreme rules for women's dress which are not found in the Quran. Some say that women should be totally covered except for her face, while others who are even more extreme, say that all women must be covered from head to toe except for two holes for the eyes to see!





1- There are no words anywhere in the Quran which command women to cover all their bodies. Those who preach such un-Quranic rules cannot find words in the Quran to justify this extremity, so they manipulate various words in 24:31 and 33:59 to justify the falsehood.

2- The fact that God says in 24:31 to specifically cover the bosom indicates clearly that there are other parts of the woman’s body that do not have to be covered. To elaborate on the indication of the words in 24:31, let us ponder on the following example:







Think of your house and in it you have a garden. You have a gardener who comes to look after your garden. One day you tell the gardener: please water the area under the big tree and also water the back of the garden.







What does this example tell us?
It tell us that since you specified only areas to be watered, then this is a clear indication that there will be other areas in the garden that are not to be watered. If you wanted the gardener to water the whole garden you would have said: Please water the whole garden.



When we apply this example to the issue of women’s dress code in the Quran, the same principle applies. If God wanted the whole body of the woman to be covered, God would not have specified the chest to be covered, but would have issued a command for all the body to be covered. But since God specifies certain parts of the woman’s body to be covered, then there are other parts that do not have to be covered, as long as they are not beauty spots of a sexual connotation and as long as righteousness in dress is maintained.

3- The command to "lower their garment" also proves that the woman is not commanded to be covered from head to toe. For if that was the case and women must be covered down to their toes, there would be no meaning to "lower their garments". How can a woman lower a garment that is already down to the ground?

 

[ilovechinesegal]

Wearing tudung is not obligatory. The right attire is that it should be decent.

So must or dont wear? I remember a hui gal help me do massage in tiong guo and she never wear tudung and she says she want go haji one day badly!

 

[duluxe]

So must or dont wear? I remember a hui gal help me do massage in tiong guo and she never wear tudung and she says she want go haji one day badly!

Hijab was introduced into Arabia long before Muhammad and Islam , primarily through Arab contacts with Syria and Iran, where the hijab was a sign of social status. After all, only a woman who need not work in the fields could afford to remain secluded and veiled. Very clearly, Hijab was not commanded by Allah through the Quran.

The stipulations of the hijab were originally meant only for Muhammad's wives. During Muhammad's life, no other Muslim woman wore the hijab. Enforcing hijab is a recent islamic political movement by sunni muslims exercising their religious and political powers , the shiite Iran started imposing hijab law on women earlier in 1979.

 

[A Singaporean]

So must or dont wear? I remember a hui gal help me do massage in tiong guo and she never wear tudung and she says she want go haji one day badly!

Only the head needs to be covered

 

[ilovechinesegal]

Only the head needs to be covered
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Then shld cut botak then no ah neh will lust at her! And ah neh wont rape her isnt it?

 

[whoami]

Reply to those who claim that a Muslim woman should be covered except for her face:











Many Muslim scholars have invented extreme rules for women's dress which are not found in the Quran. Some say that women should be totally covered except for her face, while others who are even more extreme, say that all women must be covered from head to toe except for two holes for the eyes to see!





1- There are no words anywhere in the Quran which command women to cover all their bodies. Those who preach such un-Quranic rules cannot find words in the Quran to justify this extremity, so they manipulate various words in 24:31 and 33:59 to justify the falsehood.

2- The fact that God says in 24:31 to specifically cover the bosom indicates clearly that there are other parts of the woman’s body that do not have to be covered. To elaborate on the indication of the words in 24:31, let us ponder on the following example:







Think of your house and in it you have a garden. You have a gardener who comes to look after your garden. One day you tell the gardener: please water the area under the big tree and also water the back of the garden.







What does this example tell us?
It tell us that since you specified only areas to be watered, then this is a clear indication that there will be other areas in the garden that are not to be watered. If you wanted the gardener to water the whole garden you would have said: Please water the whole garden.



When we apply this example to the issue of women’s dress code in the Quran, the same principle applies. If God wanted the whole body of the woman to be covered, God would not have specified the chest to be covered, but would have issued a command for all the body to be covered. But since God specifies certain parts of the woman’s body to be covered, then there are other parts that do not have to be covered, as long as they are not beauty spots of a sexual connotation and as long as righteousness in dress is maintained.

3- The command to "lower their garment" also proves that the woman is not commanded to be covered from head to toe. For if that was the case and women must be covered down to their toes, there would be no meaning to "lower their garments". How can a woman lower a garment that is already down to the ground?

Tats the beauty of the mother of all scriptures, the Quran. In original Arabic language. U can twist and turn and suit ur own agenda. Just like the word "Muhammad" (proper noun). Clearly stated in Arabic. But u twist and said its not a name but it means "the praised one" (adjective). Silmilarly, the original Arabic words are there. Is clearly stated tere "khumar or khimar" meaning hat or headscarf. Ask any woman how they wear their hat or headscarf?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

The Bible commands and/or condones rape, sex slavery and the abuse of girls and women in a number of verses (meaning that the commandments are not accidental or misinterpretations). As the Wikipedia page "The Bible and Slavery" explains: "The Bible nowhere condemns slavery, but allows a regulated practice of it, especially under the Old Testament, but also in the New Testament. Male Israelite slaves were to be offered release after six years of service, with some stipulations. However, girls, women and foreign slaves and their offspring became the perpetual property of the owner's family, except in the case of certain injuries. The regulation of slavery in the Bible, and absence of outright condemnation of it as an institution, was later used to justify slavery by its defenders [such as American Christians who owned slaves in the southern states]."

The New Testament never condemns the institution of slavery. Indeed, Saint Paul's epistle to Philemon became an important text in regard to slavery; as it was used by American slaveowners to require Northern Christians to return escaped slaves to their Southern masters. In the epistle, Paul returns Onesimus, a runaway Christian slave, to his Christian master Philemon. Neither Jesus Christ, nor Paul, nor any apostle or Hebrew prophet ever clearly condemned the institution of slavery. Here are examples of Bible passages that clearly command or condone slavery, sex slavery and/or rape:

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So why was slavery abolish by Christians?

 

[whoami]

So why was slavery abolish by Christians?

The Quran does not encourage or legitimize slavery.

Quran does not legitimize slavery

https://egyptindependent.com/quran-does-not-legitimize-slavery/