PAP anti Chinese compare to DAP and BS

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

You appear to be just going around in a circle Bro. Agree to disagree with you and let's just call it quits.

Whether we call ourselves little china or not whats that gotta do with Chinese here ditch their language?

 

[scroobal]

Millions of German Americans, Dutch Americans, Italian Americans, Polish Americans, Japanese Americans, Korean Americans, Chinese Americans etc. can't speak German, Dutch, Italian, Polish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc. nowadays.

I don't think he gets it. You judge a man by his positive contribution to himself, his family and to society. Whether he is speaks swahili and god knows what else has little material difference.

 

[char_jig_kar]

no, its u don't get it.

yes, a person could speak swahili, and be a good person, i have no problem with that. i am just questioning the wisdom of the chinese here, whereby 75% of the population is chinese, but they willfully give up on their language and culture. the sum just doesn't add up.

 

[char_jig_kar]

i am not going in circle. u ask me why don't we name singapore as little china, or nanyang watever. i don't find it relevant to the issue here.

 

[cleareyes]

compare to basic chinese language proficiency.

its normal for the working language to be stronger than other language, fine. but the chinese language standard of the chinese sporean is very lame. thats not fine.

Why so not fine about the weaker standard of chinese language? We are looking at Singapire, so how about looking at Malaysia? was theur chinse standard any higher? how about USA or even Canada where they have sizeble chinese population, but what happen to the language? are they using it or than us?

Has a weaken chinese language ability made us weaker? how would a stringer chinese language ability made us stronger? and on top of that, Singapore is a multi-racial society, so lets all focus on mother-tongue, what would happen to this society? a land of messy communication?

Its human not to be able to be good in everything, the main thing is you have to be good in something. hence, there would need to be some give and take here. Hate it or like it, if we use such emotional reasons for development, I m sure Singapore will never be able to surive, let alone grow through the years.

 

[cleareyes]

Hi Dr Jacob

And now i m Dr Jacob??????????

and who is Dr Jacob??????

You have no idea who I m and just trying toi anyhow throw a name out? WOW, you guys must be desperate.

Do not used Teng Liang Hong trick, I never bring up racist issue or else PAP will put me into Section 55. It is the fact of our voters question. I do not know how to answer.

You put up a post regarding Chinese language and claiming that PAP is anti-chinese when so far, we have yet to see such evidence. the old Nantah Uni
was a Chinese Uni and in today's ecomonic world where Singapore is in, none of the garduates woudl be able to find a job apart from been a Chinese teacher nor a chinese journalist.

You lack understanding of today's world development and yet claim you are not racist by putting up such a racist post? are you kidding me?

Why Hong Kong do not need ERP?

Then Why does London have ERP?

Why Singapore needed ERP and COE?

And again, Why not?

Lets use another example, In Japan, especially in major cities such as Tokyo, In order to have a car, you are suppose to have a parking lot or else. Are you aware of that?

Why Singapore MRT and LRT unable to compete Hong Kong Train network?

Because MRT is not set up in Hongkong?

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not PAP.

Thank god you are not, or else,if PAP has the likes of you running the country, I will be one of the first to run road and never come back given how illogical and irrational, not to mention lack of knowledge you are.

How can I answer PAP were Anti Chinese Culture & Anti Malay Culture?

And now you are saying PAP is anti-malay cultiure?

Make up your mind, what are you talking about anyway?

How can I answer PAP delay Train network was helping LTA and Trafic Police to gain money?

How the hell would anyone be able to answer your question when no one had even asked you this question as ypu self-asked ypurself?

Political issues shall been bring up our voters question but not answer for rulling party problem.

huh????????????????????????????????

Nine Dragons and Hong Kong can join force 24 hours operate, Why Singapore and JB cannot? Can I answer????

Nine Dragon ( kowloon) and Hongkong is under THE SAME COUNTRY AND ADMINISTRATION.

IS SINGAPORE AND JOHOR BAHRU UNDER THE SAME COUNTRY AND ADMINISTRATION???

Oh my god, I dont mind broken english, but broken logic??????

 

[cleareyes]

no, its u don't get it.

yes, a person could speak swahili, and be a good person, i have no problem with that. i am just questioning the wisdom of the chinese here, whereby 75% of the population is chinese, but they willfully give up on their language and culture. the sum just doesn't add up.

Do you know what is social and ecomonmic assimilation?

if ypou do not understand that, then there is no point in carrying on with the discussion, it just goes to show you lack of knowing what is really happening around you.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Why so not fine about the weaker standard of chinese language? We are looking at Singapire, so how about looking at Malaysia? was theur chinse standard any higher? how about USA or even Canada where they have sizeble chinese population, but what happen to the language? are they using it or than us?

pal, its not about weaker standard of chinese language. its lack of basic proficiency of chinese language that is the problem.

malaysia has got higher chinese language standard than singapore.

usa and canada sizeable chinese citizen? nope. for the usa its about 4.4 percent of the population asian. canada, 6 percent of their population is asian, arab, etc.

Has a weaken chinese language ability made us weaker? how would a stringer chinese language ability made us stronger? and on top of that, Singapore is a multi-racial society, so lets all focus on mother-tongue, what would happen to this society? a land of messy communication?

yes. lacking of basic proficiency in chinese language is a sure sign of weakness for the chinese here, a sign of chinese cultural deficiency.

i am not advocating to go FOOOCUS on mother tongue. i am merely pointing out the chinese language standard of the chinese here is going down the toilet bowl.

please tell, why is it having basic proficiency in chinese language for the chinese would create messy communication??

Its human not to be able to be good in everything, the main thing is you have to be good in something. hence, there would need to be some give and take here. Hate it or like it, if we use such emotional reasons for development, I m sure Singapore will never be able to surive, let alone grow through the years.

the problem with singaporean is not good in either english language nor their mother tongue. this over emphasis on english language has created this problem.

who's emotional? u and scroobal. not me.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Do you know what is social and ecomonmic assimilation?

if ypou do not understand that, then there is no point in carrying on with the discussion, it just goes to show you lack of knowing what is really happening around you.

Do you?

What is the percentage of Westerners here in our countries? Why are the 75% of the population being culturally assimilated by them Westerners? Please tell.

 

[fivestars]

the old Nantah Uni was a Chinese Uni and in today's ecomonic world where Singapore is in, none of the garduates woudl be able to find a job apart from been a Chinese teacher nor a chinese journalist.

Why we need FT to teaching mandrin, media staff and actor in Chinese Information System and business management in Chinese business world.

Because MRT is not set up in Hongkong?

How long you never visit Hong Kong?

People do not need to drive they take train. Morning road traffic very smooth, it is very difficult to tell you why but please visit Hong Kong.

No one had even asked you this question as ypu self-asked ypurself?

Thank you for joining PAP, tell the false story to beautify the true story to make PAP leaders happy.

Nine Dragon ( kowloon) and Hongkong is under THE SAME COUNTRY AND ADMINISTRATION.

Singapore Malaysia in one Asean Economy nation

I wish NSP, RP, SDP and SPP will win in coming GE. Only government who try to understand the fact is a good government. Tell lie and bully Singaporean will be the loser.

 

[scroobal]

i am not going in circle. u ask me why don't we name singapore as little china, or nanyang watever. i don't find it relevant to the issue here.

Yours has always been a circular argument or circular logic.

Taiwan and China are homogenous chinese nations. Their Chinese standard has to be the best. Ours by being 75% has to be weaker unless we put ridiculous amt of effort and money into it. English is just a convenient operating language for commerce. It could have been mexican if those chaps had a empire that ruled global commerce. If the Chinese had not turned into the middle Kingdom and isolated themselves by considering everyone else as barbarians, they would have a bigger slice of the pie.

Lets face it SAP schools are funded by taxpayers but the Malays, Tamils and others have nothing that comes close. The Chinese is taken as 1st language and the English is also the same.

In geopolitics of this area, it would suicidal not to stick to a multi-racial and cosmopolitan approach.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Which part of my message is in circular argument and logic?

The issue that I brought up is pretty straightforward. Does a Singaporean Chinese has any obligation to basic proficiency in Chinese language? Until now, you still cant give me an answer to that question. You keep coming up with excuses similar to the PAP propaganda. That we cant afford to put in more time and energy in mother tongue. Says who that learning to have basic proficiency in Chinese language would cost more? For a nation with 97 over percent of the population ASIAN we had manage to deal with english language. So why is it we have problem to deal with asian languages, mohter tongue such as Chinese language? Thats warped logic u have.

English is a convenient operating language for commerce, SO? We cant use English as 2nd language? Why must it be promoted as 1st language? Country who doesn't use English as FIRST language would not progress? Says who??

Using English as 1st language, in a country with 97 percent of the population asian, why is it a multi-racial and cosmopolitan approach?? Many other developed countries, they don't use english as 1st language. Having proficiency in mother tongue doesn't mean taking out 2nd language education from education system. So why this extreme approach by the PAP govt, promoting English language to the extend many of the Chinese here don't even have basic proficiency in Chinese language??

 

[fivestars]

MRTs
Why Taipei trumps Singapore
For Singaporeans who think theirs is the best in Asia outside Japan, think again, article in The Edge Singapore.
Dec 30, 2008

Why Taipei's MRT trumps Singapore's
Written by Sunita Sue Leng
TAIPEI'S CITY Hall is so proud of its mass rapid transit (MRT) system that it runs a competition every year, asking people to send in poems about the MRT. I can see why.

The MRT is clean and comfortable (in addition to chewing gum, the nasty habit of betel chewing nut has been banned).

People queue up in a civilised fashion before boarding trains. And, when the doors open, they don't barge in before passengers can exit.

Signs and announcements are in Chinese and English and all carriages have electronic displays showing which station is coming up next.

Every carriage has special seats for old folks, pregnant women or people with disabilities. I've never seen fit, young people pretending to be asleep in these seats.

However, the best part about Taipei's MRT is its frequency.

According to Taipei Rapid Transit Corp (TRTC), the company that runs the system, trains arrive at two to four-minute intervals at peak hours. Off-peak, it is four to seven minutes.

In reality, it is much more frequent. I know because I've timed it. At peak hours, trains come as often as every minute.

As for off-peak hours? Well, I've never had to wait more than three or four minutes. As a result, even during the morning rush hour, the trains are never as packed as they are in Singapore.

TRTC has won praise not just locally but internationally. It has been ranked No 1 for reliability for four straight years (2004 to 2007), according to the Nova/CoMET International Railway Benchmarking Group (of which Singapore's SMRT Corp is also part).

All this got me wondering just how TRTC is able to deliver such a world-class MRT service.

Perhaps, it doesn't have to transport as many people as in the crowded Lion City? Perhaps, it's government-owned and isn't under pressure to make as much money as possible and can run more trains?

So, I pulled up some numbers (see table below). And the broad conclusion is that Taipei proves it is possible to offer a high-quality, high-frequency and affordable MRT service without losing money.

Tracking the MRTs

Singapore population: 4.6m
Length of MRT: 109.4km
No. of MRT stations: 66
No of MRT lines: five
Average daily ridership: 1.56m
Average ticket price: S$1.00
Average trip distance: 11.2km
Total passenger-trip distance
(passengers times km traveled) annually: 5,714.5km
Average daily train runs: Just over 1,000

Taipei population: 5.5m
Length of MRT: 74.7km
No. of MRT stations: 69
No of MRT lines: eight
Average daily ridership: 1.14m
Average ticket price: NT21.9 (S$1.00)
Average trip distance: 7.9km
Total passenger-trip distance
(passengers times km traveled) annually: 3,298.9km
Average daily train runs: 2,171

It also suggests that certain services, such as public transport, tend to function optimally as natural monopolies and ought not to be owned by companies that seek to maximise profits.

Let's look first at the one common element between the two: the cost of taking a train.

Average ticket prices in Singapore and Taipei are about $1. This is pretty low by international
standards, as anyone who has had the misfortune to take the London Underground knows.

Singapore and Taipei are also pretty dense cities, but the latter packs more folks (5.5m of them) into a smaller area (272 sq km). In comparison, Singapore is home to 4.6m residents spread over some 692 sq km.

As such, in terms of coverage, Singapore's network of five MRT lines is more extensive, totalling 109.4km, versus TRTC's 74.4km network.

However, TRTC has more stations on its smaller network, which means less distance between stations and greater convenience for commuters.

More trains in Taipei

Just how many people take the MRT each day? In 2007, Singapore's MRT moved an average of 1.56 million people a day. That's just over a third more than what TRTC transported last year. So yes, TRTC's network is smaller and it moves fewer people, which is one reason it feels les crowded.

However, what is illuminating is the difference in frequency. Last year, TRTC made an average of 2,171 train runs a day.

SMRT clocked in at just over 1,000 a day for its fiscal year ended March 2008. This is not strictly an apples-with- apples comparison.

SMRT's system is older, has heavier loads and travels further than TRTC's — factors which play role in how often trains can be run.

The comparison also doesn't include data from SBS Transit, which runs the North- East Line. But, as SMRT accounts for more than four fifths of total MRT ridership, it is fairly representative of the whole picture.

Since February this year, SMRT has added about 900 extra train trips each week.

According to the company, on average, its train frequency during peak hours is between two and five minutes.

During off-peak hours, it is now between 3.5 and seven minutes. Given the existing signalling system and infrastructure, its average peak-hour frequency puts it among the top 20% of the world's major metro operators, SMRT adds.

SMRT more profitable

Still, it's safe to assume that its bumped-up frequency continues to lag TRTC's. And this, to an extent, is reflected in SMRT's bottom-line, which is much heftier than TRTC's.

In FY2008, SMRT's rail operations saw revenue of $436.9m. Earnings before interest and tax was $129.3m.

In comparison, TRTC saw approximately $415 million in fare revenue in 2007 and just $41.3m in pre-tax profit.

TRTC is 73.75% owned by the Taipei City Government. The Ministry of Transportation and Communications owns a further 17.14% while the Taipei County Government owns 8.75%.

Clearly, public-listed SMRT's returns on its rail operations are far better for its shareholders than TRTC's.

However, TRTC — which has been profitable every year except its first two — is better for its
commuters, who have been inspired to pen a poem or two in praise of their well-regarded metro.

(Sunita Sue Leng, previously an associate editor at The Edge Singapore, is now based in Taipei and writes on Greater China issues).

 

[cleareyes]

pal, its not about weaker standard of chinese language. its lack of basic proficiency of chinese language that is the problem.

What is the diff? When there is a lack, the standard is weaken. Its only when the proficiency is there, that is when the standard is strong. Or you didnt know that?

malaysia has got higher chinese language standard than singapore.

Are you sure? Ok, lets assume as what you say that Malaysia has a higher chinese language standard, so where as such a higher standard got the chinese population to, especially wjen they are not ruled by themselves but by others who till date have a limited tolerance of their existence?

usa and canada sizeable chinese citizen? nope. for the usa its about 4.4 percent of the population asian. canada, 6 percent of their population is asian, arab, etc.

Do you know what is sizeble? are you saying that 4.4% of 250million peiople is a small number? we are not talking about 10 thousand or just 100 thousand, we are talking about millions here, many times more than Singapore's population.

yes. lacking of basic proficiency in chinese language is a sure sign of weakness for the chinese here, a sign of chinese cultural deficiency.

Which is more important, economic survial or mega-egoistic cultural display?

i am not advocating to go FOOOCUS on mother tongue. i am merely pointing out the chinese language standard of the chinese here is going down the toilet bowl.

I can accept that. But after pointing out, what's next?

Bear in mind, we are in a multi-cultural, multi-racial society and whatever happen, we have to be sensitive to the other race as well.

please tell, why is it having basic proficiency in chinese language for the chinese would create messy communication??

If a mlaya speak malay to a chinese who dont know malay, would that be messy?

How about a chinese who speak chinese to an indian and the indian have no idea what the chinese is saying?

with no common language, no common ubnderstanding, you are going to tell me there is no mess?

the problem with singaporean is not good in either english language nor their mother tongue. this over emphasis on english language has created this problem.

The problem with Singapore is a normal problem all over the world. Not everyone is giood with languages.

who's emotional? u and scroobal. not me.

By insistiong that lack of chinese proficiency among the chinese itself is an emotional matter when I have already point out that eco-social issue shoudl be the focus, not some self-profess cultural egotistic display.

 

[cleareyes]

I wish NSP, RP, SDP and SPP will win in coming GE. Only government who try to understand the fact is a good government. Tell lie and bully Singaporean will be the loser.

You dont even understand the fact what you are talking about, you want others to understand your facts?

Go rethink what youb are saying anmd focus on what you bare saying and stop trying to cover too many angles when one angle itself is hard for you to explain.

I said already, i m find with bad english, but i m not fine with bad and butterfly ideas.

 

[kakowi]

Fivestars, i do not know your connection to any political party. From your posts, it seems to me that you have an official connection.

If so, may i suggest that you float this issue with your peers and fellow mates from the other parties and in other forums to see the degree and nature of response. Before deciding on this as a political issue.

We need to be sensitive to non-chinese. They are singaporeans too.

Thus if you feel strongly about it, set up an NGO to promote chinese culture. But leave the government out of it because it must remain racially-neutral.

If you do so, there will be many chinese who will be grateful to you. I for one. I would love to communicate with the taiwanese and prc in mandarin. Thus basic proficiency is 3,000 characters. Maybe i cannot use bombastic mandarin and subtleties will be lost on me. But at least i can communicate.

Thus if you set your target to coach every chinese singaporean to a vocabulary of 3,000 characters, you would have achieved your objective of basic chinese literacy. That, is what singapore's education system is already trying to achieve.

I know we are talking chicken and duck here. But do at least try to understand the points of view expressed by the other forumers. In my opinion, these points of view carries a lot of sense.

 

[fivestars]

You dont even understand the fact what you are talking about, you want others to understand your facts?

You mean I cover Chinese University = Communist University?

You mean Bahasa Kebangsaan = Pro Bumiputra = Malay Supremacy = Main Failure of our Singapore Economy?

You mean too many LRT/MRT track and station = losing money?

 

[cleareyes]

You mean I cover Chinese University = Communist University?

You mean Bahasa Kebangsaan = Pro Bumiputra = Malay Supremacy = Main Failure of our Singapore Economy?

You mean too many LRT/MRT track and station = losing money?

What the hell are you talking about?

Did I say any of that? I do not think so.

 

[char_jig_kar]

This is weird. In a island highly populated by Asian, 75 percent of which are Chinese, and the suggestion of the Chinese to have basic proficiency of Chinese language here, is about EGO? Is about EGOISTIC DISPLAY?? Why is it Chinese here having proficiency in Chinese language is about egoistic display??

First of all, are u a Chinese? If yes, why are u against the idea that Chinese here has basic proficiency in the language?

Malay, Indian, Chinese could use English as 2nd language to communicate with other race. Whats the problem??

Economy survival and cultural survival are not mutually exclusive. Wanna have economic progress, one doesn't have to take out cultural progress. U make it sounds like they are mutually exclusive. And also, many countries with good economic progress don't have english language as 1st language. Country who has English as 1st language is not guranteed for economic success.

 

[cleareyes]

Do you?

What is the percentage of Westerners here in our countries? Why are the 75% of the population being culturally assimilated by them Westerners? Please tell.

Who are we doing business with? and you say 75%, are you ignoring the other 25%?

go on further and i m about to unmask a chinese supremist out of you.