Sinkie software, beware!!!!
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Our military expenditure almost equal to Malaysia's & Indonesia's combined!
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Sinkie software, beware!!!!
That is the reason for high spending.. Sinkies can't fight. I hope both indo and malaysia can combined to destroy sinkieland.
They do not need much money in doing that, just ask those sinkies to run 2.4km and they will be falling on the ground flat. ( remember to ask the sinkies to wear the most expensive running shoe made for them, at least they can show it off before they drop dead) This is the most cost saving war and will qualify to enter the Guinness book of world records.
Everything else agree with you except the paranoia part. The initial defence spending was justified as result of the Indonesian Confrontation and the Malaysian posturing.
The equation changed somewhat when LHL had to be blooded in true royal fashion. The SAF had to keep on 2 fronts now - for self defence and to accommodate the status of the 2 sons.
When the sons left, from self defence, the focus swung to revenue generation. Industries owned by GLCs grew up around SAF and military-industry complex was created when foreign earnings became important with arms sales, equipment refurbishment etc.
To cut along story short, the PAP govt is the single payroll master for close to 65% of workforce. Retired officers are selling arms, doing deals etc. All this creates a dependency on this Govt for income and lifestyle.
Any other govt would take a knife to exhorbitant salaries paid for these chaps. And these guys know it.
SAF has just created a new career scheme where they clearly state that the retirement age is 60. Its meant for Poly and Degree holders. What many are not aware is that it will recruit true blue singaporeans to appease the rising resentment towards FT. More importantly, it will protect its voting base. This scheme will commence in 2010. This scheme is major U-turn in SAF policy where contracts and limited tenures were order of the day.
The equation changed somewhat when LHL had to be blooded in true royal fashion. The SAF had to keep on 2 fronts now - for self defence and to accommodate the status of the 2 sons.
When the sons left, from self defence, the focus swung to revenue generation. Industries owned by GLCs grew up around SAF and military-industry complex was created when foreign earnings became important with arms sales, equipment refurbishment etc.
To cut along story short, the PAP govt is the single payroll master for close to 65% of workforce. Retired officers are selling arms, doing deals etc. All this creates a dependency on this Govt for income and lifestyle.
Any other govt would take a knife to exhorbitant salaries paid for these chaps. And these guys know it.
SAF has just created a new career scheme where they clearly state that the retirement age is 60. Its meant for Poly and Degree holders. What many are not aware is that it will recruit true blue singaporeans to appease the rising resentment towards FT. More importantly, it will protect its voting base. This scheme will commence in 2010. This scheme is major U-turn in SAF policy where contracts and limited tenures were order of the day.
Dear Tonychat,
I am simply just curious.
Would you let your home country fall?
Why be so happy about that?
What good is it that other nations combined, over-run SGP, and invade us?
Really, what good is that?
During NS days, remember those days we were issued those black shoes, which causes injury? and boots that could give you foot rot when you are on the field too long?
Now a days having nice No.4 electronic uniform, and air cushion boots, and nice running shoes, all to prevent injury.
What's wrong about preventing injury to your SONs serving NS???
I don't know about you, but to think about the soldier's welfare is also to think about the Son's father and mother, who spend at least 18 years raising this precious child...
just my view, please share with me why you want your country to be invaded, unless of course, you are a PR, or non-singaporean, in that case, don't have to reply.
May be that's what our paper Generals think too, that tomorrow, they could lead the men to invade the m&ds up north?
Again I do not deny the need to safeguard our wealth. Yes, national defence is a necessity for any soverign nations.
The question you want to ask yourself is this: If you have a big house and money inside and want to get some security, would you go, say, employ CISCO guards, may be say 2, and have a guard house in front of the gate, put security cameras around your houses and of course install security alarms also....
OR.... do you need to go get a few tanks, a battalion of soldiers, machine gun and mortar pits, a few anti-aricraft missiles, some 155 arty etc around your house?
For heaven sake, the thieves are only arming themselves with knives!
No problem... we are just talking cock here...
Again, as said, do not deny that all soverign countries including Singapore need defence. The question is, how much is enough?
It is precisely after looking at the data and comparing what we spent vs what others spent that I come to the conclusion that we have been "over-defending" ourselves... Again, I'm not saying we DON'T defend ourselves. We SHOULD continue to defend ourselves but certainly there is no need to peg it at 5% of our GDP which is a lot lot more than our neighbours.
I'd rather we cut back on defence and used it on welfare for our elderlies... this is certainly more prudent and appreciated by the people of Singapore. Even if we cut back by 1% to 4% which is still a lot lot more than our neighbours are spending, we are talking about savings of S$2 billion dollars here. Do you know how much elderlies we can help?
From what I heard, it's due to the paranoia of 1 very old man in Singapore who is about to get into the coffin (but for some strange reason, still hanging on...)
HAHA!
Time to kiss and patch up with our neighbours. Negotiate with them nicely and all cut back on defence... I'm sure our neighbours also have more pressing needs with their budgets than us on other areas...
B4 u go around farking people off, I just want to say that I'm not in anyway suggesting reduction to compromise our security. I'm talking about removing excesses. There is no need to over-defend. We are talking about adequate defence here.
If you look at the Singapore armed forces, it's not designed for mere defence, therefore there's no over-defending. It's designed for expeditionary invasion. Singapore is indefensible once the enemy reaches peninsula Malaya, or if the enemy is indeed Malaysia itself. Japan proved it. RSAF is technically the most powerful air force in SEA, what for? To fight a RAF-style Battle of Britain aerial dogfight with Luftwaffe? Singapore is not the Britain that could absorb bombs over several cities over several months in a defensive fight. Any enemy air force over Singapore skies for an hour and the whole of Singapore would be in ruins.
Commonsense would tell that Singapore has to pre-empt the need to defend by invading the enemy first, i.e. the Israeli strategy. In order to project power over distant lands and overpower bigger countries, the military expenditure naturally has to outsize the others.
Ahhhh.. some intelligent statements from someone unsinkified.. thank you..
The deterrent / massive retaliation philosophy has been there since the 70s. The Air Force was already bigger not only in SEA but bigger than Aus/NZ. Half the NZ army was based in Singapore. The fact that we brought in Isreali advisors since the first batch of NS men will tell you that this philosophy has been there from day one.
At the time 23% of the GDP was going into SAF.
The conditions have since changed globally. Malaysia and Indonesia can no loner do what they could do in the 70s. Indonesia struggled with the Timor issues and lost in recent times due to public pressure.
The invasion threat to Singapore is no where compared to those years. SAF, the GLC military industry complex like the MOE Teachers is more to retain the clout over the voting public. We now have best paid teachers and soldiers in the world. A proven lesson from having the best paid journalist.
Old man's habit of playing the bogeyman to frighten the locals always works. He once said that we had to have a massive striking power in order to ensure supply of water would not be cut off. This was in mid 90s, when desalination plants were commercially available and running for years without costing an arm and a leg. Many people in academia and in think tanks knew very well that desalination plants were not installed so that they can continue with creating the siege mentality for the benefit of the locals.
Don't listen to everything the PAP tells you. We have been given the siege mentality treatment for years well after its shelf life and validity has expired.
At the time 23% of the GDP was going into SAF.
The conditions have since changed globally. Malaysia and Indonesia can no loner do what they could do in the 70s. Indonesia struggled with the Timor issues and lost in recent times due to public pressure.
The invasion threat to Singapore is no where compared to those years. SAF, the GLC military industry complex like the MOE Teachers is more to retain the clout over the voting public. We now have best paid teachers and soldiers in the world. A proven lesson from having the best paid journalist.
Old man's habit of playing the bogeyman to frighten the locals always works. He once said that we had to have a massive striking power in order to ensure supply of water would not be cut off. This was in mid 90s, when desalination plants were commercially available and running for years without costing an arm and a leg. Many people in academia and in think tanks knew very well that desalination plants were not installed so that they can continue with creating the siege mentality for the benefit of the locals.
Don't listen to everything the PAP tells you. We have been given the siege mentality treatment for years well after its shelf life and validity has expired.
You are an absolute idiot.
We have the best paid journalists so that they will toe the govt line. They have adopted same practice with teachers and soldiers to ensure that they remain in power. Any teacher or military career officer will know that another govt will never pay them that high. Its a vote buyer. Something that they control.
This whole topic has nothing to do with quality. The fact that you think, Thailand is a better alternative speaks volume about your intelligence and ability to comprehend simple things
We have the best paid journalists so that they will toe the govt line. They have adopted same practice with teachers and soldiers to ensure that they remain in power. Any teacher or military career officer will know that another govt will never pay them that high. Its a vote buyer. Something that they control.
This whole topic has nothing to do with quality. The fact that you think, Thailand is a better alternative speaks volume about your intelligence and ability to comprehend simple things
it can also deal with multiple threats at the same time. the 6-day war still has much influence over its conception and development, although that was more than 40 years ago.
Now I get an idea why Scroobal calls me Teflon. It's not that I have no position on anything. It's that he has fixed position against Lee Kuan Yew. To him it's don't listen to everything the PAP tells you. To me it's I listen and think for myself. Sometimes I agree. Sometimes I disagree.
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