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Perhaps before one goes in gun ablazing (like what happened in the Phillippines), better to keep quiet and listen to what the other side wants.

As in the Mumbai case, officials do not even have any idea what happened so force could not be effectively applied. And when some gungho officer lead the charge, they were not prepared and he was killed.

I agree there comes a point where you just have to go in guns ablazing but after you have a chance to hear what the other side wants as well as find out who one is dealing with.

Time is seldom on the side of the hostage taker. With time, they get more tired, resolve weakens, some in the team might have second thoughts about sacrificing themsleves and victims. And hopefully time gives you the opporutnity to form a response.

No idea what happened in this case but since Singapore was not directly involved a simple "no comment" or "ask for peaceful end to the situation" type reply would be best.

best approach to deal with terrorists and hostage takers is to accept the risk of collateral damage and be willing to sacrifice hostages by blasting them goddamn mudderfuggers away without negotiation and stalemate after saying "go ahead punk, make my day". unfortunately, many countries are politically inept to do that.
 
if you are cogent, i wonder why you seem to be standing alone against everyone else here? have u ever reflected on this fact?

BTW, I am still waiting for your answer to my simple question. either you dont have the answer or u r afraid to tell

Against everyone else? LOL!... Only a few of your cronies and your butt polisher.

This forum has much more smart participants than your few "everyone".
 
Perhaps before one goes in gun ablazing (like what happened in the Phillippines), better to keep quiet and listen to what the other side wants.

As in the Mumbai case, officials do not even have any idea what happened so force could not be effectively applied. And when some gungho officer lead the charge, they were not prepared and he was killed.

I agree there comes a point where you just have to go in guns ablazing but after you have a chance to hear what the other side wants as well as find out who one is dealing with.

Time is seldom on the side of the hostage taker. With time, they get more tired, resolve weakens, some in the team might have second thoughts about sacrificing themsleves and victims. And hopefully time gives you the opporutnity to form a response.

No idea what happened in this case but since Singapore was not directly involved a simple "no comment" or "ask for peaceful end to the situation" type reply would be best.

Dear Long Bow,

Wise words..That's what most of us here r saying that it was unwise for lhl to openly and publicly condemn the hostage takers when a Singaporean, Hwei Yen, was in their hands. Immediately after his false bravado, the hostage takers chose Hwei Yen and shot her. It was so stupid of lhl to open his mouth and jeopardise Hwei yen's safety.

SG leaders must learn to be good leaders and not act recklessly.

That is the gist of this thread.
 
Against everyone else? LOL!... Only a few of your cronies and your butt polisher.

This forum has much more smart participants than your few "everyone".

You disagree with me? The postings in this thread speak out clearly and u have the audacity to deny facts? Your character is for all to see.
 
You disagree with me? The postings in this thread speak out clearly and u have the audacity to deny facts? Your character is for all to see.

The fact is your cronies and you will encourage more hostage taking and that is a fact.

Be prepared for more terror action with your kind of silent response and see what happens, cos this is exactly what terrorist want.
 
Wow...Tracy, u must be related to the deceased! I feel sad abt it too but what's done cannot be undone! Let her rest in peace n move on n as u know that lhl is just a "big mouth", he talks b4 he thinks...gd example is the "mee siam mai hum"! Hahaha...
 
The fact is your cronies and you will encourage more hostage taking and that is a fact.

Be prepared for more terror action with your kind of silent response and see what happens, cos this is exactly what terrorist want.

My cronies? hahahaha. u really see me up. how i wish i have that kind of status and pulling power.

no..they r not cronies. they r just logical and rational people. Unlike you, we can see the difference between what's right and what's wrong. that ability binds us together and we speak logically. we r independent thinkers, not cronies...this diffeerence u also cant tell...cheyyy
 
Wow...Tracy, u must be related to the deceased! I feel sad abt it too but what's done cannot be undone! Let her rest in peace n move on n as u know that lhl is just a "big mouth", he talks b4 he thinks...gd example is the "mee siam mai hum"! Hahaha...

Thanks for your advice. Wise words..but i hope lhl realised what he did and not repeat the same false bravado mistake.

SG gained nothing but a precious life was lost and many hearts broken
 
So you say it is ok with acts of terror just because they have some axe to grind with the someone?

So it's ok to take some other innocent people hostage and kill them just not your next of kins? LOL!...

Act of terrorism is to be condemned no matter who are the hostages or for whatever reason or purposes.

If whole society, condemn such acts and make no province of it no matter what cause it is for, then maybe these clowns will rethink about their action.

However, history has shown that if you are the victor, then whatever terrorist acts you employed previously, can be re-written as a fight for freedom. Even if innocent lives were taken.

Even the great Nelson Mandela took up terrorist acts in his early struggle against the Apartheid White gov of South Africa. But you don't hear much of these as he is now a celebrated freedom fighter.

Read below from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
"Later, mostly in the 1980s, MK waged a guerrilla war against the apartheid regime in which many civilians became casualties. Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, sharply criticising those in his own party who attempted to remove statements supporting this fact from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Up until July 2008, Mandela and ANC party members were barred from entering the United States — except the United Nations headquarters in Manhattan — without a special waiver from the US Secretary of State, because of their South African apartheid regime era designation as terrorists."

It is because of dumbfucks like you who kept quiet and giving them some false sense of righteousness in their actions which resulted in even more terrorist activities.

If the ALL majority of "peaceful" silent Muslims condemn such act as non-Islamic and in no way related to Islam, then maybe they fuck heads has no claim to be doing it for Islam.

However, the majority quiet Muslim can't do that as they know jolly well that such tactics are allowed and mentioned in the Koran. Hence, giving the manipulated few, reasons to call it their Jihad war against non-Muslims, and they will become heroes if and when they succeed in their struggles.

If the whole world view killing of innocent people (and non-Muslim for these fuck heads) in the same light as killing of their own parents, and to be condemned no matter what and even if they succeed in their cause, and if the whole world can view taking hostages of innocent people (and non-Muslim for these fuck heads) in the same light as taking hostage of their own parents, and to be condemned no matter what and even if they succeed in their cause, then maybe these fuck heads may think twice about doing such acts.

However, as we can see in this forum, there are still many people who think it is ok to take hostages, but not when it's their next-of-kin.

It is ok to condemn such act of terror, just not when it's their next-of-kin.

It is ok to employ acts of terror if you succeed in your fight.

Don't forget, the innocent victims may not be your next-of-kin, they are the next of kin of others. For such acts of terror to be discouraged, it has to be viewed and condemned in the same light as acts of terror against the perpetrators' parents, and there is no honour for such actions no matter what the causes are.

Just look at how the fuckhead filipinos made the hostage murderer cop a hero. I guarantee you that there will be another hostage taker cum murderer hero in the philippine. Cos these filipino fuckheads approved of such act of terror.

It is not ok. I do not condone these acts. No where in my post did i approve of the terrorists acts.

Every problem has a root and needs to be solved at the root. America is going to spend the next millenium "rooting out" terrorists but very soon they will understand it is impossible. They can kill all the muslims they want but they can never wipe them out. The more they kill, the more the extremists' next generation feel aggrieved. Perhaps whatever USA is doing today will turn the moderate muslims into extremist.

There are a number of things USA could do. eg. Stop creating excuses to bomb a country for their oil. Also, they have flattened Afganistan but after a decade they are still digging holes to locate the Taleban. The politicians made one wrong call after another, perhaps these are not wrong calls but just an act to divert the Americans' attention from the badly managed home economy.

America could very well build a physical impenetrable fence around America to make it safe from terrorists. They have the resources to self sustain.

What does SG gain by publicly supporting and barking along whatever the big brother is doing? Nothing, except some words of commendation. At a price - eg. Ms Lo Hwei Yen
 
My cronies? hahahaha. u really see me up. how i wish i have that kind of status and pulling power.

no..they r not cronies. they r just logical and rational people. Unlike you, we can see the difference between what's right and what's wrong. that ability binds us together and we speak logically. we r independent thinkers, not cronies...this diffeerence u also cant tell...cheyyy

Logical? More like stupid, narrow and near sighted. If your kind of response can discourage dumbfucks from acts of terror, then I'm with you. Unfortunately, your views are common and that is why we still have so many idiots employing acts of terror for their pathetic cause.
 
It is not ok. I do not condone these acts. No where in my post did i approve of the terrorists acts.

Every problem has a root and needs to be solved at the root. America is going to spend the next millenium "rooting out" terrorists but very soon they will understand it is impossible. They can kill all the muslims they want but they can never wipe them out. The more they kill, the more the extremists' next generation feel aggrieved. Perhaps whatever USA is doing today will turn the moderate muslims into extremist.

There are a number of things USA could do. eg. Stop creating excuses to bomb a country for their oil. Also, they have flattened Afganistan but after a decade they are still digging holes to locate the Taleban. The politicians made one wrong call after another, perhaps these are not wrong calls but just an act to divert the Americans' attention from the badly managed home economy.

America could very well build a physical impenetrable fence around America to make it safe from terrorists. They have the resources to self sustain.

What does SG gain by publicly supporting and barking along whatever the big brother is doing? Nothing, except some words of commendation. At a price - eg. Ms Lo Hwei Yen

Dont bother to reason with Devil Within. He will twist your words and put words into your mouth just to support his warped mind
 
Only if there's a relapse which will put him firmly on ground level! Talking of pap leadership, I adore those old guards like mr. Ong teng cheong, mr. Goh keng swee n etc...not these group of nipple-sucking, play-acting young turks!
 
Logical? More like stupid, narrow and near sighted. If your kind of response can discourage dumbfucks from acts of terror, then I'm with you. Unfortunately, your views are common and that is why we still have so many idiots employing acts of terror for their pathetic cause.


anyone can tell from the almost 300 postings here who are the logical ones and who is the stupid, narrow and near sighted one.
 
Only if there's a relapse which will put him firmly on ground level! Talking of pap leadership, I adore those old guards like mr. Ong teng cheong, mr. Goh keng swee n etc...not these group of nipple-sucking, play-acting young turks!

I agree with you.

The first generation of PAP leaders like LKY, GKS, TCH, EW Barker, etc were true SG heroes.

LKY has outlived his worth and is now a burden beyond what PAP and SG can bear. He shd have left like the others and be honoured by singaporeans. Sadly, lky overstayed and ironically will destroy the Sg he has helped built.

The present pap leaders are a disaster.
 
You speak as if you understand the whole terrorism issue. You put the entire blame to nothing but Islam. Much as i hate to see women in tudung, you have entirely missed the point, your arguments are evasive and presumptious. You assume everything reported in the mainstream media is TRUTH, eg the Sept-11. You assume Islam ask Muslims to go around killing non-Muslims without understanding that everything in a religious book is a subject of interpretation.

The root of terrorism is obviously beyond the comprehension of your simple mind. Terrorists exist because there is a group who feel mistreated (which is true) they are frustrated because no one listens to them, it is beyond their powers to get heard or have any of their objectives fulfilled. The unfortunate mix of religion and abuse by some manipulators ==> Jihadists.

Terrorists kidnap to achieve an objective. They hold a bunch of hostage in a hotel, they lay out their demands. It is easy to say governments should not give in to demands of terrorists but supposing your mother or father or wife is a hostage, will you bark the same way you do now? Terrorists are aggrieved by politicians in developed countries notably USA, we the ordinary citizens are paying for their actions. I don't give a damn if the governments have to cough out 20 billion or release 500 prisoners, but ordinary citizens should not be bearing the consequences of blady politicians.

Btw... terrorists do monitor world political development through their favorite channel... not Channel 5 or 8 but the Al-Jazeera... they dont live under a rock like you think!

Well said, bro. If after your succinct explanation and one still fails to understand, the fault is not yours.
 
It is not ok. I do not condone these acts. No where in my post did i approve of the terrorists acts.

Every problem has a root and needs to be solved at the root. America is going to spend the next millenium "rooting out" terrorists but very soon they will understand it is impossible. They can kill all the muslims they want but they can never wipe them out. The more they kill, the more the extremists' next generation feel aggrieved. Perhaps whatever USA is doing today will turn the moderate muslims into extremist.

There are a number of things USA could do. eg. Stop creating excuses to bomb a country for their oil. Also, they have flattened Afganistan but after a decade they are still digging holes to locate the Taleban. The politicians made one wrong call after another, perhaps these are not wrong calls but just an act to divert the Americans' attention from the badly managed home economy.

America could very well build a physical impenrable fence around America to make it safe from terrorists. They have the resouetrces to self sustain.

What does SG gain by publicly supporting and barking along whatever the big brother is doing? Nothing, except some words of commendation. At a price - eg. Ms Lo Hwei Yen

When you agree to negotiate with the terrorist on their terms, that in itself is supporting their actions.

For whatever reasons they may have, be it because of USA or some nut case countries doing wrong to them, taking terrorist act in itself must be condemned.

If and when you say "Because of the USA, these people need to do terrorist acts.... blah blah blah..." This in itself is enough encouragement for these fuck heads to continue using terror means for their cause because people like you are taking sympathy side with them even if you say you do not support terrorism. Their cause was somewhat felt by people like you, and this is what they want.


The USA may be wrong, but 2 wrongs don't make it right. Be it USA or those fuck heads, killing of innocent people is wrong and should be condemned no matter which side it is.
 
Well said, bro. If after your succinct explanation and one still fails to understand, the fault is not yours.

Sigh... another dumb fuck who don't understand the deeper issue. Only looking at things on it's surface. How sad...
 
Well said, bro. If after your succinct explanation and one still fails to understand, the fault is not yours.

I agree with you.

But Devil thinks he is right and all of us are wrong. so i dont think patience and reasons are likely to convince him that he is wrong
 
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