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Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters/Members to articulate views effectively

Chau Ve Nist

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'Trivial' issue of national anthem sparks intense and frank debate

(147th Singapore Prostitute Press, 22 July 1991)


* PM's community visit to Bukit Panjang *
Reports by Zuraidah Ibrahim and Philip Looi

* Majulah Singapura in another language?

IT WAS introduced as a "trivial" issue. But the question of changing the language of the national anthem, Majulah Singapura, sparked an intense and frank discussion between community leaders and Mr Goh Chok Tong yesterday.

While some felt that the song was not meaningful or emotive enough for those who do not understand Malay, others wanted it kept as it is.

The issue was raised by lawyer Lee Bon Leong who noted that he was asking a "trivial" and yet sensitive question in asking for a change of the national anthem because of changes in the language situation here.

But he felt that "adjustments" had to be made to the national anthem, as many Singaporeans now did not understand Malay and thus did not have "strong feelings, or strong sense of emotion" when they sang the anthem.

After hearing the views of six grassroots leaders, the Prime Minister said he preferred to take the "practical approach" by keeping the national anthem as it is, while ensuring that its translations in other mother tongues were more easily available.

With all understanding the song better, Singaporeans would sing with more feeling and emotional attachment.

He acknowledged that the problem was peculiar to multi-racial societies, and
was not easy to resolve.

"Yes, it is important that we all sing the national anthem in the mother tongue, so that we can be emotive about it. But then, on National Day, which is the most important day for the country, which song do we sing?

"If everyone wants to sing in his own language, then, far from uniting the country, we will surely be on the road to dividing it," he said.

One grassroots leader, Madam Soh Teng Hua, said in Mandarin that she did not wish to change the anthem but "to add to it" by having it translated into other languages.

Madam Charlotte Song, who also spoke in Mandarin, said that translated versions of the national anthem would enable Singaporeans to feel greater emotional attachment to it.

Recounting her own experience, she said she only learnt to sing the national
anthem in school and has since forgotten the meaning of the words.

Mr Ramli Puteh, an Annur Mosque representative, felt the national anthem had to be viewed from the historical perspective, that is, when Singapore became independent in 1965.

Changing the language would also mean changing the "spirit, mood and feeling from that period", he added.

He provided an instant English translation of the song, noting that it had "only 18, very plain, simple Malay words" which could be easily learnt and understood.

Rounding up the debate, Mr Goh said that it was easier to change names or logos of a place than it was to change something as emotive and stirring as a national anthem. To change it would be to divide the country, he said.

What was more important was for Singaporeans to ensure that all would develop an emotional attachment to the anthem over time.
 

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Lee Bon Leong​

What your typical "regime change" Ah Beng will look like.
 

Papsmearer

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Wanted: Genuine PAP members or supporters who are able to engage in debates and discussions and provide insight into policies and directions mapped out by the PAP.

Aim: Raise standard of debate and understand the basis of decisions made by the government.

Current Situation: Though there are many in this forum that range from anti PAP to neutral and most of them can hold their own, the small number that are pro-pap and pro establishment are basically endowed with borderline intelligence if any. I am sure there are capable individuals who are pro- establishment and can hold their own.

Scroobal, I think you should know that all pro PAP dogs on this forum are hired by Shit Times, or Ministry of Home Affairs, etc. Therefore, if they are paid peanuts, they will not be good. If they want capable PAP arse kissers here, they should not be so cheap and pay more.
 

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it looked to me we've actually formed a semi-'govt' here..kingrant for PM, highfalutin to replace Viv,elephanto in place of GY, yellow_people for Yaakob, Sneering Tree instead of Shanmugam?..how's that for a start?
 

Perspective

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I don't even think there are many genuine opposition supporters and only one member. And being anti-PAP doesn't necessarily mean being supportive of opposition.
 

kingrant

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You have to explain yr choices.

it looked to me we've actually formed a semi-'govt' here..kingrant for PM, highfalutin to replace Viv,elephanto in place of GY, yellow_people for Yaakob, Sneering Tree instead of Shanmugam?..how's that for a start?
 

cass888

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Quality is subjective. LTK and Sylvia Low for example will not fit my definition of quality candidates. CJS and the late JBJ would. So you would need to clarify your definition of quality first before we can go any further.

I am not a supporter of JBJ but nonetheless do not put that gentleman's name beside that of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.
 

kingrant

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JBJ was an Indian. Gomez too. Indians can form multi-racial parties as they have shown. But so far, I have yet to see a Malay form a party that is multi-racial. My gut feel is that this is because the Chinese Singaporean feels that the Indians can empathise with his problems, or feels that both races share similar fates, maybe due to compatible economic and educational class status, whereas the Malays probably prefer to be surrounded by their own people. So in that respect, there are some more hoops to jump thru.

There is really nothing stopping the minorities forming parties and we seem to forget the Jayaretnams and James Gomez. In fact it was minority member that broke 13 years of PAP monopoly.

In fact I blame the PAP for divide and rule approach and the move to race base GRC politics. After 5 decades we should have gelled as a nation.

How you can claim that PAP is better than the opposition in race based politics is beyond me.
 
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methink

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I am not a supporter of JBJ but nonetheless do not put that gentleman's name beside that of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.

Are you a supporter of the BIG bully LKY? Would you nonetheless put that bully's name beside that of the pariah Mugabe? Or that MONGREL master LOUDHAILER Kim Jong-il? Or Burma's General Than Shwe?

All shared the same trait of the BIG Bully!
 

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I don't even think there are many genuine opposition supporters and only one member. And being anti-PAP doesn't necessarily mean being supportive of opposition.

yes of course.

I am no supporter of any opposition parties.

I vote against PAP, that's all. :biggrin:
 
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