Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters/Members to articulate views effectively

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

To yellow_people

A clear statement like that and you are asking for specifics?

To Internet Brigade

"To claim that the above statement is rubbish is a testament to the racist bigotry the government has to stamp out."

Are you quoting me right? To exclude the Malays is sensible and a possibility? Surely even PAP can't be that dumb! Who is practicing racial bigotry then?

The only thing that is clear from your statement is you rubbish statements as "talking cock" because you don't like them and can't put forth an alternative argument.

The PAP lived up to GCT assurance in case you haven't noticed. Minority representation is included in the electoral process with a group of candidates including one or two minority candidates standing together side by side on the plaform.

Contrast that to the NMP system. Each ethnic group elects its own leaders. You might as well have different toilets for ethnic groups, different bus and mrt seats assigned according to ethnic groups and seats in proportion to ethnic groups in kopitiam and restaurants.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Bro, its not you. Your comprehension skill sucks. You also dont' have the confidence or the knowledge as can be seen by the need to write in bold - clearly seeking to gain prominence in view of the insecurity. Try writing in bold in your workplace and HR will have a word with you or you will be shown the door.

By putting Lui photos as Avatar further reinforces the insecurity and the need to feel important.

Initially I thought you were anti-establishment trying to make a fool of PAP. Its evident that you are a genuine PAP person but you seem to state things blindly. The comment by you about People's Association not obliged to release details of tender is false. Its a public institution, funded by taxpayers and the details sought are not related to those commercial firms that need to protect their business secrets. Not a shred of detail was offered by PA. Quite disgraceful.

I am looking for confident, knowledgeable and reasonable articulate PAP party members that can correct misinformation, erroneous perception and demolish falsehood and thereby provide balance. More importantly insights into Policies.

You obviously can continue to post but this is for a different fit.

Very few will bother to take up such an insincere offer.

In your framing of the above statements, you have effectively ridiculed the very people you hope to attract. If you feel the standard of debate in this forum is sub-par, then perhaps you need to ask yourself why that is.

Could it be because any thoughts that deviate form the norm (PAP bashing) is followed by spamming, trolling and insult hurling?

 

[scroobal]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Bro, stop yanking his chain. I think he is dead keen but lost.

see what i mean , not your run-off-the-mill Ron Ron type of riff-raff, but cogent expression, good vocab & authoritative tone ....

Close yr eyes & you can almost hear Lui Tuck Yew speaking .... brilliant !

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

50 years on, and we're still talking race-based politics and not the emergence of a Singaporean nationality. Had politicians on both sides of the Causeway managed relationships better and thought and acted more like statesmen, that Malayan identity at least would after early birth pangs have matured into a more settled childhood today. However, it remains a pipe dream. I would have thought that 50 years of growing and struggling together, the races would have found the common ground in class struggles to cope with economic and social dislocations on the basis of class and less on race or ethnicity. The fault must surely be on the current and past political leaders who have chosen to play the ethnic card whenever and however it suited their political games and thus have left us high and dry on anything that will bring us together in a common nationality. Let's hope an enlightened younger gen will lead us out of the ethnic forest.

Not much can be said for the PAP but one must credit the PAP for having the foresight to ensure that minority ethnic group have always remained very much a part of the mainstream politics and the electoral process as a whole. They could have gone with ethnic group or NMP representation, which would have been a lot easier route but they wisely and courageously chose not too. In 1992 Goh Chok Tong made this remark, " We can rule without the minorities, but we don't want to". For this you must give credit to the PAP.

Contrast that with moderate opposition parties. One can barely find the representation of minority candidates as they hardly have a coherent platform that one can identify with, much less a platform where minority interests are represented. The recent exodus of minority opposition politician from WP and NSP should not come as a surprise. It is unlikely the opposition can deny PAP a 2/3 majority in the next General Elections.

This is an area where the PAP is still ahead of the pack.

 

[Highfalutin]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

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We can go round and round in circles. My beef is with the declaration that the "Malays" could be excluded. That to me is rubbish. Never mind the reality which the PAP have to concede to regardless. Full stop.

 

[methink]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Very few will bother to take up such an insincere offer.

Could it be because any thoughts that deviate form the norm (PAP bashing) is followed by spamming, trolling and insult hurling?

Why worry whether offer is sincere or insincere? The fact is, there are no credible pappies to push the PAP view point. None dares to come here to defend the PAP!

And please ignore the spamming, trolling and insult hurling too. What we are concerned is the quality of the debate. Not the nonsensical insults from pappies and others who cannot follow the discussions.

In the old delphi sammyboys, there were some internet brigade staff trying to defend the PAP. But they were thrashed for their shallow thinking, never to return again! Sorry unthinking fellows, those doggies.

Never to show their face again!

 

[elephanto]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Bro, stop yanking his chain. I think he is dead keen but lost.

Okie, agree.

Frankly, I was a card carrying PAP Youth Wing member when it was formed.

It is precisely this type of righteous indignation and tendency to mouth platitudes & party-line that alienate & disgust many ex-members & PAP supporters.

No EQ no grace no panache, just i-am-right so stuff it.

Reminds me of ex-Feedback Scholar Liew Choon Boon.

 

[Highfalutin]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Hah! ex doggie with a heart.

 

[Internet Brigade]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Bro, its not you. Your comprehension skill sucks. You also dont' have the confidence or the knowledge as can be seen by the need to write in bold - clearly seeking to gain prominence in view of the insecurity. Try writing in bold in your workplace and HR will have a word with you or you will be shown the door.

By putting Lui photos as Avatar further reinforces the insecurity and the need to feel important.

Initially I thought you were anti-establishment trying to make a fool of PAP. Its evident that you are a genuine PAP person but you seem to state things blindly. The comment by you about People's Association not obliged to release details of tender is false. Its a public institution, funded by taxpayers and the details sought are not related to those commercial firms that need to protect their business secrets. Not a shred of detail was offered by PA. Quite disgraceful.

I am looking for confident, knowledgeable and reasonable articulate PAP party members that can correct misinformation, erroneous perception and demolish falsehood and thereby provide balance. More importantly insights into Policies.

You obviously can continue to post but this is for a different fit.

No, you are looking for PAP people to slip up and reveal sensitive information.

You operate this forum like a dictator and you expect people to willingly join in in debate that will only be contorted.

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Since you have comprehension issues yourself, let me state it one more time:

The PA is a public institution, no doubt. But you have no privilege nor right to dig into its accounts, especially its dealings with 3rd parties that are private institutions. The ministries and Stat boards undergo periodic audits and discrepancies are highlighted and dealt with accordingly. Should every ministry perhaps submit a copy to you to go over.

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Bolding is a style i like to use. Your constant need to mention this only tells me that you have nothing substantial to say and are resorting to attacking me on this.

Since you are also kind enough to try and psycho-analyse me, let me return the favour.

You are an only child that still stays with his mother, hence your need to feel important and big in this forum.

In work, you think you are a genius but you have no respect from your colleagues. So you need this forum to assert your authority and demand respect. And basically order people around.

One day, your character alone is enough to force people to leave this forum.

 

[elephanto]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Hah! ex doggie with a heart.

woof ! woof ! grrrrrrrrrrrrr........

 

[lockeliberal]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Dear Scroobal

I would like to apply :_)) whats the pay like to be a political consultant to the PAP ?




Locke

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Ok, now I see what you're up to. You are trying to engage their fire here in this sbf. I thot you had more sinister motives, like were you trying to set a thief to catch a thief. As in getting some strong pro-PAP guy to join the opp to become the Devil's advocate, or town cryer, to improve Opp's performance, test defences and shake some foundations.

Wanted: Genuine PAP members or supporters who are able to engage in debates and discussions and provide insight into policies and directions mapped out by the PAP.

Aim: Raise standard of debate and understand the basis of decisions made by the government.

Current Situation: Though there are many in this forum that range from anti PAP to neutral and most of them can hold their own, the small number that are pro-pap and pro establishment are basically endowed with borderline intelligence if any. I am sure there are capable individuals who are pro- establishment and can hold their own.

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

50 years on, and we're still talking race-based politics and not the emergence of a Singaporean nationality. Had politicians on both sides of the Causeway managed relationships better and thought and acted more like statesmen, that Malayan identity at least would after early birth pangs have matured into a more settled childhood today. However, it remains a pipe dream. I would have thought that 50 years of growing and struggling together, the races would have found the common ground in class struggles to cope with economic and social dislocations on the basis of class and less on race or ethnicity. The fault must surely be on the current and past political leaders who have chosen to play the ethnic card whenever and however it suited their political games and thus have left us high and dry on anything that will bring us together in a common nationality. Let's hope an enlightened younger gen will lead us out of the ethnic forest.

Thanks for the comment. The fault does not lie solely with the political leaders but shared with the citizen population that was allowed to be lead there by the first place.

I don't share your hope for the future however. Judging from what I have seen we will likely end up with an American version of Jim Crow.

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

We can go round and round in circles. My beef is with the declaration that the "Malays" could be excluded. That to me is rubbish. Never mind the reality which the PAP have to concede to regardless. Full stop.

I look forward to seeing you take on those who advocate racial discrimination and excluding the minority from active participation. I will keep this post for future reference and will be reading your posts in this forum actively.

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

A more interesting question wld be "what's the pay like to be a political consultant to the Opp.?

Dear Scroobal

I would like to apply :_)) whats the pay like to be a political consultant to the PAP ?




Locke

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

I disagree. We definitely have had a more pluralistic politcal landscape before, and much livelier press. We also have had a different group of challengers for the political leadership. But all these were setback by a repressive govt determined to grab and hold onto power. Even an active citizenry is no match.

Thanks for the comment. The fault does not lie solely with the political leaders but shared with the citizen population that was allowed to be lead there by the first place.

I don't share your hope for the future however. Judging from what I have seen we will likely end up with an American version of Jim Crow.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

I know what you mean bro. During NS BMT, you come across few Corporals who have no clue why a certain training is done but will be yelling and screaming. The smarter ones know the reasons and do the job effectively.

Okie, agree.

Frankly, I was a card carrying PAP Youth Wing member when it was formed.

It is precisely this type of righteous indignation and tendency to mouth platitudes & party-line that alienate & disgust many ex-members & PAP supporters.

No EQ no grace no panache, just i-am-right so stuff it.

Reminds me of ex-Feedback Scholar Liew Choon Boon.

 

[SneeringTree]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Very few will bother to take up such an insincere offer.

In your framing of the above statements, you have effectively ridiculed the very people you hope to attract. If you feel the standard of debate in this forum is sub-par, then perhaps you need to ask yourself why that is.

Could it be because any thoughts that deviate form the norm (PAP bashing) is followed by spamming, trolling and insult hurling?

He is ridiculing the current bunch of pro-PAPs active in the forum; and for good reasons, because we have seen the quality of their engagement. He is appealing to ask lurking pro-PAPs to step up and be counted.

I don't agree with your assessment. Spamming, trolling and insult hurling is not targetted at pro-PAPs only- do don't flatter yourself too much. Try any of the following topic and you will be spammed too (regardless of your positions on them): national service, religion, LeeTarBah, smoking, foreign workers.

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Forming a political party is a challenge by itself in Singapore. Getting quality members is another. Attracting the minorities is even a bigger challenge. Ask any political party in Singapore and they will tell you its like finding gold. Minorities tend to very cautious as they are readily identifiable within the community especially Malays. Any adverse reaction from the community or failure to seek endorsement leaves them dead in the water.

SDP however has made inroads but these are not quality candidates and similar to the quality of those from the majority race.

Quality is subjective. LTK and Sylvia Low for example will not fit my definition of quality candidates. CJS and the late JBJ would. So you would need to clarify your definition of quality first before we can go any further.

If your quality candidate is measured by success and qualifications, then certainly you would realise that the majority the Indian and Malay who fit this category are in the civil service. The few who do well in the private sector, despite the odds, will be mindful of treading on opposition politics and potentially losing everything in the process.

By the way, don't buy that crap from Goh Chok Tong. He made the remark when he was fighting the AMP. Anyone with common sense will know that any party that governs Singapore must take the Malays on board, token or otherwise. The geopolitics demands it. You think they made Malay the National language for sentimental reasons.

The Malays and Indians will certainly be represented should the "regime change" Ah Bengs defeat the PAP. There is no doubt about that. The only difference is that they will not be part of the mainstream politics as the process would have degenerated into one where the we have majority and minority leader with the latter on the sidelines.

With the "peace and harmony" we have had these past 4 decades, I have a feeling geopolitics is given scant regard and will not fact in the majority calculation. But they will eventually find out the hard way.

I do remember though Rajarathnam telling a bunch of Ah Bengs back in 1989 what he personally thought about having the National Anthem being sung in Mandarin.

Note that the minorities can also form their own party along communal lines like PKMS but they haven't except for PKMS. Ever wonder why. I took would like to see the minorities come out in numbers.

Under the present system of GRC representation, a party along communal lines would not be able to compete effectively. That is the beauty of the system. PKMS if I am not mistaken share their platform with the SPP.

WP and NSP however can be mistaken for being a communal party.

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

But all these were setback by a repressive govt determined to grab and hold onto power. Even an active citizenry is no match.

This is what I mean when I say the people allowed themselves to be led there. The active citizenry today lives on the internet. Out there in the real world the citizen is mostly passive. No demonstrations, no resistance. Democracy and freedom does not appear out of thin air.